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Pastor Mike Hoggard of Bethel Church - A LIAR and FALSE PROPHET!
ConstitutionallySpeaking ^ | March 10, 2013 | ConstitutionallySpeaking

Posted on 03/10/2013 11:58:35 AM PDT by patlin

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To: ladyL
The statement that Elizabeth and Zacharias were both righteous and blameless in he sight of God was made before the crucifixcion. Elizabeth and Zacharias were both Levites not Jews and from the tribe of Levi which had been divorced by God according to the Book of Hosea. Most Levites joined themselves with the House of Judah after the division of the Kingdom so that they could carry on their Temple duties. As Abraham was made righteous because of his faith in Yahweh perhaps the Levites were made righteous because of their faith in Yahweh which restored them to the Mosaic Covenant. Can anyone enlighten on this issue?

I don't mean to correct you, and I don't want to take the time to study it perfectly, but I think that Levi was set apart - He didn't get an inheritance, except a portion of the inheritance of each of the tribes... So Levi was scattered throughout Judah and Israel... I don't think Levi is counted with the House of Israel, even though a portion went into the diaspora with them (as can be noted by the identifiable Cohenim genes in far-flung places).

That doesn't go against your main point btw, as many were found to be righteous by YHWH prior to the crucifixion. I don't think that means they kept the law perfectly, mind you... but rather by faith (as is always the case)... Along with trying their best to keep the law, and repentance where needed...

151 posted on 03/11/2013 3:54:40 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: patlin

Enjoy yourself.


152 posted on 03/11/2013 4:44:58 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: mdmathis6
Actually I already answered Editor-Surveyor’s objection to my statement,(having attempted a lame joke about God having really rested on what we call a Thursday) [...]

Yes, I saw that.

knowing that there were plenty of ancient astronomers who could observe and keep track of time very well.

I am no astronomer, but considering the tale written in the stars, it would not surprise me to find out that there has been a visible mechanism to determine the Sabbath day all the way along. It would be a cool thing to find out.

Ultimately, in the muddled times after the flood and before the rise of the first big Mesopotamian civilizations whether or not there were still a few tribes that kept rigid track of the days or times or whether there was a “misplacement” of a few days here or there...I don’t think anyone could truly argue for or against.

Sure I can argue against that notion: YHWH specifically gave the day of the Sabbath to Israel in the desert by way of the double-portion of manna that fell the day before the Sabbath, and in the fact that the manna did not spoil on the Sabbath day. Since then, the days have been kept by the Jews, and as I said, no correction was made by Yeshua (which would certainly have had to have been necessary for Him to keep the law perfectly). From the time of the second temple, the day has been kept most assuredly.

It could only be the order of Melchizidek that could keep the plumblines of time straight and true since the institutions of man would never be able to do so.

It is more than that. Arron most certainly is legally given authority from within Melchizedek. So too, every other covenant - They cannot be separate things, but more a 'box within a box'. Inside Melchizedek is the Noachide covenant. Inside of Noah, Moses, and etc... For YHWH to be unchanging, what He is and what He wants cannot have changed all the way along.

The reasons for the times and seasons is not a matter of salvation: They are prophetic, and that is why they are to be kept eternally. The Hebrew notion is not so much 'Holy Days' as it is 'rehearsals', or at least that is a part of it. I can say with all clarity, If you are not rehearsing, you won't be ready for the big show! The Sabbath Day, The High Sabbaths, the Jubilees, all of it is there for YHWH's purpose in bringing Man back to Him. It is written in the stars, it is written in the prophets, it is everywhere. How can it be that we, in our hubris, pay it no mind at all?

One can extrapolate I suppose since Christ was of the order of Melchizidek and since Christ was with the Father from the beginning, even, as the bible says in John, creating all things that ever existed, then one could argue that the order of Melchizidek was involved with the teaching and maintaining of the various ordinances right from the garden of Eden!

It isn't much of an extrapolation. No man has seen the Father. Yet YHWH walked with Adam, and with Abraham, and etc? How can this be? Who could this YHWH be, who no man has seen, but who is seen? There is only One who fits the bill, And He IS the High Priest of the Order of Melchizedek, whom we know (as it is declared with every ounce of might possible) that there is only ONE priest in the order of Melchizedek, for all time. I don't know how it works, or 'when' it happened, beyond the bonds of time, but I can tell you in the very bottom of my soul who it was that Abraham gave his tenth to, and who it was that gave the bread and the cup to Abraham (and every one of his offspring in his belly). There is only one name under heaven, after all.

Yet, we also have Christ, God in flesh yet also a man tested at all points as the Bible says, who being of the the priest hood after the order of Melchizdek who looked at the plotting jackals at the time and said...”The Sabbath was made for man...not man for the Sabbath”.

Of course! See above. That isn't to deny the Sabbath AT ALL. If your mother said she will be coming into the train station at 6pm on Sunday, do you wait till 3pm on Wednesday to go pick her up? How much more important are the times and seasons wherein YHWH says He will draw near to us?

Christ is not going to sweat it if a faithful follower of his worshipped on a Saturday or a Sunday. He will sweat it if in the process of keeping the Sabbath, the technicalities and the stress involved in hewing to those technicalities overcome the rest, the peace and joy that God wants us to experience during Sabbath...what ever day we keep it.

I dunno, man... I think you'd better read the Prophets sommore. They tell you how it is gonna end up, and that is remarkably similar to what has been laid down in Moses. Take off those Roman glasses, and clear the Greece from your eyes.
HA! I made a funny! 'Greece from your eyes'! LOL!!! I crack myself up!

When Christ ultimately rules on the Earth, it will only be a minor adjustment to make sure everyone stays on the same page. After all, he will rule with a rod of Iron those of the nations who were left after the Great Tribulation.

The 'rod of iron' stands for 'justice'... it is not coercive, as Christianity has it... But all the same, the prophets say there will be a great gnashing and wailing, so it would be best to be on the inside looking out - And according to the prophets, that looks a whole lot like Moses. Several of the prophets look into the millennial reign... Go see what that looks like.

153 posted on 03/11/2013 6:19:50 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: mdmathis6

Is lying horizontally in union with serving in love verically? Can they both work together as one as God made them to work together if they are not in unison? Can one show His true love through lies and deceit? See Hebrews 12

And people wonder why the world is so screwed up!


154 posted on 03/11/2013 7:21:55 PM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: roamer_1
Take off those Roman glasses, and clear the Greece from your eyes

LOL, just a heads up, I'm going to lift that one from ya! Thanks for the ‘funny’.

155 posted on 03/11/2013 7:25:21 PM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: mdmathis6
The difference between charity and exposing a heretic as taught by the apostles.

Act 8:9 But there was a certain man called Simon, who previously practiced sorcery in the city and astonished the people of Samaria, claiming that he was someone great,
Act 8:10 to whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, “This man is the great power of God.”
Act 8:11 And they heeded him because he had astonished them with his sorceries for a long time.

Act 8:13 Then Simon himself also believed; and when he was baptized he continued with Philip, and was amazed, seeing the miracles and signs which were done.

Act 8:18 And when Simon saw that through the laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Spirit was given, he offered them money,
Act 8:19 saying, “Give me this power also, that anyone on whom I lay hands may receive the Holy Spirit.”
Act 8:20 But Peter said to him, “Your money perish with you, because you thought that the gift of God could be purchased with money!
Act 8:21 You have neither part nor portion in this matter, for your heart is not right in the sight of God.
Act 8:22 Repent therefore of this your wickedness, and pray God if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you.

If the heretic is speaking in public, it is proper and fitting to expose him in public. But of course I gave him the option in private first, so charity was there on my part, just not on his as he continues to rant and rave against those of us who take seriously and heed the words of our Messiah that pertain to Abraham and Moses.

156 posted on 03/11/2013 7:35:03 PM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: hosepipe

Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up. And uas was his custom, vhe went to the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and he stood up wto read. 17 And xthe scroll of the prophet Isaiah was given to him. He unrolled the scroll and found the place where it was written....

He read.

Just like every other somewhat educated inhabitant of the Roman empire. They were far better educated than most Americans.


157 posted on 03/11/2013 7:43:15 PM PDT by Gamecock ( If we distort the gospel, that distortion will influence and affect everything else that we believe)
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To: Gamecock

Just like every other somewhat educated inhabitant of the Roman empire. They were far better educated than most Americans.


Rabbis were educated some more than most.. but the people were NOT.. at least with literary education.. no books.. why READ?.. Rabbis were mostly collaborators.. to Romans or to the puppet government.. Like current American democrats.. traitors.. Most still are.. Most (not all) Jews are traitors.. in America.. And a big number of Roman Catholics..

He was crucified because he offended the Rabbis not the Romans.. The Romans could care less what he believed or even WAS!..


158 posted on 03/11/2013 9:38:52 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: editor-surveyor; delacoert; patlin

The Mosaic sabbath is the ceremonial sign for which the destination/goal is the rest one receives in Jesus.

As you know:

He made a point, several times, to violate the pharisaical understanding of the commandment to show the new covenant was near.

It was simply not carried over to the new testament, unlike the other, moral based commandments.

Paul, in three letters, writes to the effect of the futility of keeping the sabbath law.

As to Sunday:

Jesus, being resurrected, met with the faithful on that Sunday, pentacost comes on Sunday, Acts 20:7 shows a meeting on the first day of the week, breaking bread.


159 posted on 03/11/2013 9:52:22 PM PDT by anathemized (cursed by some, blessed in Jesus)
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To: anathemized
The church records do not support your claim and Moses was not a Pharisee, Moses was a servant of God who the Word of God spoke to, the same Word of God who put on flesh and died for our sins.

See Acts 3:17-26 which is taken directly from Dt 18:15-22, 7:37-39, Rm 3:1-2 & Heb 3:7-4:13

Paul writes to the fultility of keeping Jewish oral law now called Talmud, he never speaks against the living oracles of God given to us through Moses. Know they law as there is more than one law Paul speaks of and they are not one in the same. Talmud teaches salvation through works, Torah teaches salvation through grace and obedience as evidence of that saving grace. (James 1-2) One law is from man and God's Law given through Moses by the Word of God who is also the voice of God, God's Law we are to establish (Rm 3:31) so sayeth Paul. You might want to restudy Eph 2:15 a bit harder and a bit deeper. The word written as ‘law’ there is not law as in the ‘nomos’ of Moses bit rather, Paul is referring to the ‘entole’, the statutes and precepts contained in the ‘dogma’, legal decrees of man (see Daniel and the decrees of the kings). One cannot read Eph 2:15 without considering its sister verses in Colossians.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances (dogma) that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled (stripped) principalities and powers, he made a shew (mockery) of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

G1378 δόγμα dogma Total KJV Occurrences: 5 decrees, 2 Act_16:4, Act_17:7 ordinances, 2 Eph_2:15, Col_2:14 decree, 1 Luk_2:1

G1378 Total LXX Occurrences: 12 δογμα (10) Dan_2:13, Dan_3:10, Dan_3:29, Dan_4:6, Dan_6:8-10 (3), Dan_6:12, Dan_6:15, Dan_6:26 δογματι (2) Dan_3:12, Dan_6:13

G1378 Total GRC Occurrences: 6 δογμα (2) Dan_6:12, Luk_2:1 δογμασιν (2) Eph_2:15, Col_2:14 δογματα (1) Act_16:4 δογματων (1) Act_17:7

The Greeks never used the word ‘dogma’ in reference to God’s Law, NEVER!!! So it would seem that you have a choice to make, Rome that teaches a different Gospel than what was first given at Mt Sinai that was renewed in the blood of Christ, or God and true 2 Chron 7:14 repentance and a returning to God and His Way, the only Way the people who walked with Jesus knew about, was preached to about and could read it for their own eyes.

Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Neither Timothy or the Bereans had the letters of Paul or the Gospel accounts of Mt, Mk, Lk & John and since they were the first believers, we must be able to use the same Word of God that they did in order to be a fitting disciple of Jesus as they were and that Word is ALL contained in His Word that is left of Matthew, not right of John.

160 posted on 03/11/2013 10:15:37 PM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: anathemized

quick correction:

See Acts 3:17-26 which is taken directly from Dt 18:15-22, Acts 7:37-39, Rm 3:1-2 & Heb 3:7-4:13


161 posted on 03/11/2013 10:18:43 PM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: patlin

You cannot be saying that the books after John are not the Word of God, you have cited several. I too believe salvation is possible for lovers of God, given the old testament only.

David says God’s law is wonderful, but Jeremiah says a better covenant awaits.

Hebrews is full of arguments of Jesus being the better way.


162 posted on 03/11/2013 10:58:28 PM PDT by anathemized (cursed by some, blessed in Jesus)
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To: roamer_1

Clean the Greece from my eyes...hah that was funny. Ruling with a rod of Iron is a coercive justice. There is no Justice without mercy to alloy it, but justice must be dispensed as necessary or there is no true justice. For a thousand years, Christ will rule on the Earth after that, Satan will be loosed to deceive the nations again..”for a little season”.

Hebrews 12 describes the curse of Mount Sinai where there is gloom and smoke and destruction for those who have not received the Salvation of Jesus Christ, for those who have...there are the Joys of Mount Zion. I have read the prophets and I read the covenant made between Noah and God symbolized by the placement of the rain bow in the sky. God certainly is steadfast about keeping his promises and certainly pronounces future judgments upon Satan and those men who are unrepentant! The Noachide teachers certainly depict God as being one of unyielding Marble who busily keep dusting and polishing his set in stone, unyielding ordinances and fixed pronouncements.

The Christ I believe in and know (at least only as much as he has given me faith to believe) is the God in Flesh who openly marveled (displaying his humanity) at the faith of the Centurian and gentile while in his authority as HOLY GOD granted the centurion’s request for healing of his servant.

Consider why God made ordinances and covenants? Were they not mostly for man’s benefit? God told men to be fruitful and multiply and that he would never again flood the Earth with water. God covenanted with Abraham and promised him a son, from whom’s descendants would arise the living Christ! God gave the Mosaic code that promised blessings for those who adhered to it and curses for those who did not. Yet men could not live by them and the prophets including Moses knew that they could not and knew that an even greater covenant, one that could be inscribed into men’s hearts of flesh instead of tablets of stone, was needed. You might think the Ark was the place where the Shekinah glory of God rested and you would be right. The ark was also a promise, not just of the coming Christ who lived among men, but also a promise of our individual regeneration where the Spirit Of God resides in each of us.

Even having a vast knowledge of all the laws of God, and even having the willingness to try to keep them isn’t enough to save us. If we never again broke another law of God, that would not save us. Jesus Christ is the only one that can save us, and only by the Spirit can we learn how to apply his laws correctly with an eye fixed towards faith hope and above all charity! And when we fail, he is willing to forgive us as we repent!

One can only begin to grasp the laws of God by understanding his two greatest laws....Loving him with everything we have within us to do so and then loving others as we love our selves.

The little secret that I think mechanistic teachers of the law forget is that when one endeavors, by the power of the Spirit, to live by the two greatest commandments...all the other laws we’re supposed to live by (and by what proportions and sequences of applications as guided by the Spirit with Charity and Wisdom) will naturally fall into place!


163 posted on 03/12/2013 1:49:29 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Rest assured, Mankind is loved....both completely and severely!)
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To: patlin

The two greatest commandments are that we are to love God with everything we are and have...that is the vertical aspect of the cross and then we are to love our neighbor as we love our selves....that is the horizontal aspect of the cross. For on those two laws hangs every law, every covenant, and every jot and tittle ever uttered by the prophets!

Did not Christ say we are to take up our individual crosses and follow him? In loving obedience to the Father Christ died for us so that the message of the Father’s love for all men could be made manifest. He wanted men to avoid the great disasters of spiritual mount Sinai as depicted in Hebrews 12 and instead, enjoy the blessings of Mount Zion...also in Hebrews 12.

It is ironic really, you mentioning Hebrews 12, because as I’ve read your postings in this thread, you advocate positions that would again lock men back into the fearful orbit of Mount Sinai instead of having men look onward to the summits of Mount Zion.

Coming to Mount Zion; that is what the cross and the resurrection have done for those who believe in the living God in Flesh...Yeshua!


164 posted on 03/12/2013 2:23:02 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Rest assured, Mankind is loved....both completely and severely!)
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To: patlin

23 For I see that you are full of bitterness and captive to sin.”

24 Then Simon answered, “Pray to the Lord for me so that nothing you have said may happen to me.”

You missed verses 23 and 24. Apparently Simon was cut enough in his heart that he responded with a request for prayer. Interesting though that he was not struck down dead the way Annanias and Sapphira were when they lied to Peter and the congregation and the Holy Spirit regarding the size of their money gift. I conclude that God in his grace saw some worth in keeping Simon around!


165 posted on 03/12/2013 2:38:43 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Rest assured, Mankind is loved....both completely and severely!)
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To: anathemized; delacoert; patlin

>> “Jesus, being resurrected, met with the faithful on that Sunday...” <<

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That is a deliberate mistranslation!

The Hebrew original said not “sunday” but “the first of the weeks,” which was a Havdalah convocation that always occured when the first day began, which was what we pagan fools call “saturday night.”

Nice try!

Yeshua’s sheep never met on “sunday.”


166 posted on 03/12/2013 4:40:23 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

First: Thank you for the compliment for my nice try.

Second: The mistranslation you decry is just my understanding of the gospel accounts from various english bibles and commentaries. I may be a dupe, but I’m not a deliberate deceiver.

Third: I understood the NT was written in Greek. Even so, if the Havdalah ( I looked it up) marks the end of the sabbath, Behold, comes Sunday.

Fourth: If by Yeshua you mean Jesus Christ, you cannot be saying He deliberately avoided meeting on Sunday.

Fifth: Being a pagan can be cured.

Sixth: What is the radius of a 90 degree curve whose tangent length is 25 feet?


167 posted on 03/12/2013 6:04:35 PM PDT by anathemized (cursed by some, blessed in Jesus)
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To: roamer_1

Thank you for your response and I was thinking that Levi held no property and was not considered as part of the ten Northern tribes. had a senior moment...thanx


168 posted on 03/12/2013 7:02:49 PM PDT by ladyL
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To: roamer_1

clear the Greece out of your eyes...PLEASE!!! That is the most creative funny one liner that sums this whole mess up I have ever heard and I have been in this argument over 25 years. GOOD ONE!


169 posted on 03/12/2013 7:31:49 PM PDT by ladyL
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To: roamer_1

clear the Greece out of your eyes...PLEASE!!! That is the most creative funny one liner that sums this whole mess up I have ever heard and I have been in this argument over 25 years. GOOD ONE!


170 posted on 03/12/2013 7:31:50 PM PDT by ladyL
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To: anathemized

Actually he went to work on Sunday...remember he was a carpenter’s son.


171 posted on 03/12/2013 7:33:28 PM PDT by ladyL
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To: anathemized

Actually he went to work on Sunday...remember he was a carpenter’s son.


172 posted on 03/12/2013 7:33:29 PM PDT by ladyL
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To: anathemized
The Jewish Believers would have gone to the synagogue on Saturday morning and then met in their friend's homes for a meal and worship which was known and is still practiced as the Havdalla service. Yahshua would have kept these same customs of the Havdalla service. A service to say good bye to the Sabbath. Look, bottom line is the Sabbath is the 4th Commandment. Yahweh never changed the Sabbath from the 7th day to the 1st day. The Greco/Roman church changed it. Constantine at the Nicean Council told the church Fathers to get as far away from the dreadful Jews and their faith practices as they could. Hence the MAN MADE ROMAN CHURCH. You all want to stay in a pagan system, hey go for it...your life, your eternity. Don't argue with me argue with the Word. “If you love me you will keep my Commandments.” Oh, P.S. there were TWO Laws, one was carried inside the ARK and other was placed outside the ARK, next to it. Changes all these arguments you all are having about the “law.” My people perish for lack of knowledge.
173 posted on 03/12/2013 7:46:54 PM PDT by ladyL
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To: anathemized
The Jewish Believers would have gone to the synagogue on Saturday morning and then met in their friend's homes for a meal and worship which was known and is still practiced as the Havdalla service. Yahshua would have kept these same customs of the Havdalla service. A service to say good bye to the Sabbath. Look, bottom line is the Sabbath is the 4th Commandment. Yahweh never changed the Sabbath from the 7th day to the 1st day. The Greco/Roman church changed it. Constantine at the Nicean Council told the church Fathers to get as far away from the dreadful Jews and their faith practices as they could. Hence the MAN MADE ROMAN CHURCH. You all want to stay in a pagan system, hey go for it...your life, your eternity. Don't argue with me argue with the Word. “If you love me you will keep my Commandments.” Oh, P.S. there were TWO Laws, one was carried inside the ARK and other was placed outside the ARK, next to it. Changes all these arguments you all are having about the “law.” My people perish for lack of knowledge.
174 posted on 03/12/2013 7:46:55 PM PDT by ladyL
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To: anathemized

Sunday is a pagan day of the week that begins at midnight.

Havdalah happens on what the pagans call saturday evening.

The gospels were written in Hebrew and later translated into other languages. The disciples didn’t know any language but Hebrew, and Hebrew was the dominant language in the region in which Yeshua’s ministry occured.

Yeshua is his name, Not Jesus. He is the Messiah, not the Cristos, which was a mythical member of the Greek pantheon. To most this may seem irrelevent, but he did demand to be called by his own name. Sunday was a regular work day for Yeshua’s folowers, that is why Paul told his congregations to gather their offerings on sunday, it was forbidden to deal with money on the sabbath.

Your radius, if you’re talking about the external tangent, is also 25. (so what?)


175 posted on 03/12/2013 7:54:21 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: ladyL; editor-surveyor

Jesus did away with the sabbath as a ceremonial requirement as a commandment. All days are holy in Him. The RCC and the Judaizers both seem to believe one can overcome (at least some)of their spiritual shortcomings by following rules God never intended man to successfully follow.

I admit to much ignorance on this issue and I apologize for taking it as lightly as I did.

I’ll look at some previous threads to get a better understanding.


176 posted on 03/12/2013 9:50:56 PM PDT by anathemized (cursed by some, blessed in Jesus)
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To: patlin; ladyL; editor-surveyor
Take off those Roman glasses, and clear the Greece from your eyes

Thanks patlin, LadyL for your encouragements... I thought originally I might use 'Rome (rose) colored glasses', but i didn't know if folks would get it...

LOL, just a heads up, I'm going to lift that one from ya! Thanks for the ‘funny’.

NP. Unless otherwise noted, my work is always considered to be 'open source', so lifting it is an impossibility.

But, more importantly, Something just hit me tonight like a 2x4 to the back of the head:

Who gets to 'spin' the Holy Word? I mean who does Christianity rely on for interpretive text?

Latin/Rome (Beast power)
Greek (Beast Power)
Aramaic (The Hebrews' ancient enemies, and maybe Assyria/Babylon (Beast Power))

Is there a trend here?

177 posted on 03/13/2013 1:50:58 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: anathemized; ladyL; roamer_1; patlin

>> “Jesus did away with the sabbath as a ceremonial requirement as a commandment.” <<

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No he did not!

He did the opposite, he reaffirmed it.

There are no “judaizers.” Yeshua came to fulfill his promises, not to revoke them.


178 posted on 03/13/2013 7:13:04 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: mdmathis6
Ruling with a rod of Iron is a coercive justice. There is no Justice without mercy to alloy it, but justice must be dispensed as necessary or there is no true justice.

My point was that the 'rod of iron' is judicial, not militaristic. But all the same, the perfect justice of YWHW is coercive? That seems to go against the evidence of the last 6000 years. When my sons were young, I sometimes had to treat them in a coercive fashion, in order to teach them - But now they are men, and they understand. I don't have to threaten anymore.

God certainly is steadfast about keeping his promises and certainly pronounces future judgments upon Satan and those men who are unrepentant! The Noachide teachers certainly depict God as being one of unyielding Marble who busily keep dusting and polishing his set in stone, unyielding ordinances and fixed pronouncements.

The Christ I believe in and know (at least only as much as he has given me faith to believe) is the God in Flesh who openly marveled (displaying his humanity) at the faith of the Centurian and gentile while in his authority as HOLY GOD granted the centurion’s request for healing of his servant.

Soooo... The two are different? Is that your point?

Consider why God made ordinances and covenants? Were they not mostly for man’s benefit? God told men to be fruitful and multiply and that he would never again flood the Earth with water. God covenanted with Abraham and promised him a son, from whom’s descendants would arise the living Christ! God gave the Mosaic code that promised blessings for those who adhered to it and curses for those who did not. Yet men could not live by them and the prophets including Moses knew that they could not and knew that an even greater covenant, one that could be inscribed into men’s hearts of flesh instead of tablets of stone, was needed.

So the Torah, which YHWH says is good, eternal, and not grievous, cannot be kept? What of Yeshua commanding us to do and keep the Torah? What of the prophets who say explicitly that the Law will go forth from Jerusalem and the whole world will do it?

What is sin, except the transgression of the Torah? What is wickedness except the twisting of the Torah? What is lawlessness, but an absence of the law? Take away the Torah, and one takes away the very definition of right and wrong.

And finally, understand the structure of this: If Yeshua caused the Torah to be null and void (in one tiny way, not to mention the whole thing), then He cannot be Messiah. That is the penultimate logic trap against those who would believe as you do. And it is wholly insurmountable!

Don't believe me. My conversation with you has left me with the belief that you have a great capacity toward logic and reason - Test the above upon the whole Word, honestly and without preconceived notions, and you will inescapably arrive at the very same conclusion. Sola scriptura - Take it all the way.

Even having a vast knowledge of all the laws of God, and even having the willingness to try to keep them isn’t enough to save us. If we never again broke another law of God, that would not save us.

Who said it would? That is not it's purpose.

Jesus Christ is the only one that can save us, and only by the Spirit can we learn how to apply his laws correctly with an eye fixed towards faith hope and above all charity! And when we fail, he is willing to forgive us as we repent!

TRUE. Apply His laws then. Follow His example. Really. If you do, you must needfully end up here.

One can only begin to grasp the laws of God by understanding his two greatest laws....Loving him with everything we have within us to do so and then loving others as we love our selves.

How then, do you know you love YHWH? The Bible teaches us throughout: By walking in his commandments - The Torah.

The little secret that I think mechanistic teachers of the law forget is that when one endeavors, by the power of the Spirit, to live by the two greatest commandments...all the other laws we’re supposed to live by (and by what proportions and sequences of applications as guided by the Spirit with Charity and Wisdom) will naturally fall into place!

Indeed. That is exactly why I keep the Sabbath. That is why I am endeavoring to understand and keep His Holy Days, and not the pagan holidays and sabbath of the Roman church. That is why I am trying to tear down the Talmudic traditions that surround the law, in order to find it out in it's truth. And that is why I have thrown off the Roman and Greek traditions of Christianity to find the truth of Yeshua too. Reason and love dictate that I do so. And it has been a remarkable journey. The more I understand, the more I love YHWH for showing it to me.

179 posted on 03/13/2013 10:18:56 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: anathemized; ladyL; editor-surveyor
Jesus did away with the sabbath as a ceremonial requirement as a commandment.

Understand: In order for Yeshua to be the perfect sacrifice without spot or blemish, He necessarily had to have kept the law perfectly. That intrinsically requires that He cannot have changed the law at all. And as the 'Great Prophet who is to come', He cannot have led the people away from the law, as such a one would be a false prophet by definition.

Your statement declares that he did change the law. If that is true, then he cannot be the Messiah.

180 posted on 03/13/2013 10:29:09 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: patlin
Wrong.

Colossians 2: He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. 16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. 19 He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow. 20 Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: 21 "Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!"? 22 These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. 23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.

181 posted on 03/13/2013 12:28:54 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: ladyL; anathemized

Jesus Is Lord of the Sabbath Matthew 12
1At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the grain field; and his disciples were hungry, and began to pluck the ears of grain, and to eat.
2But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, your disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
3But he said unto them, Have you not read what David did, when he was hungry, and they that were with him;
4How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the showbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them who were with him, but only for the priests?
5Or have you not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
6But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
7But if you had known what this means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, you would not have condemned the guiltless.
8For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

AND....John 15:1-17

I am the true vine, and my Father is the vine dresser.

2Every branch in me that bears not fruit he takes away: and every branch that bears fruit, he prunes it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

3Now you are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

4Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can you, except you abide in me.

5I am the vine, you are the branches: He that abides in me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit: for without me you can do nothing.

6If a man abides not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

7If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, you shall ask what you will, and it shall be done unto you.

8In this is my Father glorified, that you bear much fruit; so shall you be my disciples.
9As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you: continue you in my love.
10If you keep my commandments, you shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
11These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
The Greatest Love
12This is my commandment, That you love one another, as I have loved you.
13Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
14You are my friends, if you do whatsoever I command you.
15From now on I call you not servants; for the servant knows not what his lord does: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
16You have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that you should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever you shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it to you.
17These things I command you, that you love one another.

Christ is the Lord of the Sabbath....if we abide in him then we abide in HIS Sabbath for-ever...No matter what day of the week it is!


182 posted on 03/13/2013 12:41:45 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (Rest assured, Mankind is loved....both completely and severely!)
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To: roamer_1

Is there a trend here in spinning the Word? Yes, and it started in the Garden...”Didn’t God say?” satan was the first preacher and is still spinning it today.


183 posted on 03/13/2013 5:04:15 PM PDT by ladyL
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To: roamer_1

Aramaic (The Hebrews’ ancient enemies, and maybe Assyria/Babylon (Beast Power) Is there a trend here?

Ahhh, and Aramaic came from the Chaldee and Chaldee certainly did come out of Babylon. All roads lead back to Babylon.

Catholic Church in Republic of Iraq http://www.gcatholic.org/dioceses/country/IQ.htm

See also: Ancient church awaits restoration in Iraqi desert http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=23665


184 posted on 03/14/2013 10:07:16 AM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: xzins
Why did you skip over and not highlight verse 15 of Col 2? Because it defines whose laws Jesus made a mockery of when He nailed them the cross. Again, for your edification:

The word written as ‘law’ there is not law as in the ‘nomos’ of Moses but rather, Paul is referring to the ‘entole’, the statutes and precepts contained in the ‘dogma’, legal decrees of man (see Daniel and the decrees of the kings). One cannot read Eph 2:15 without considering its sister verses in Colossians.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances (dogma) that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled (stripped) principalities and powers, he made a shew (mockery) of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

G1378 δόγμα dogma Total KJV Occurrences: 5 decrees, 2 Act_16:4, Act_17:7 ordinances, 2 Eph_2:15, Col_2:14 decree, 1 Luk_2:1

G1378 Total LXX Occurrences: 12 δογμα (10) Dan_2:13, Dan_3:10, Dan_3:29, Dan_4:6, Dan_6:8-10 (3), Dan_6:12, Dan_6:15, Dan_6:26 δογματι (2) Dan_3:12, Dan_6:13

G1378 Total GRC Occurrences: 6 δογμα (2) Dan_6:12, Luk_2:1 δογμασιν (2) Eph_2:15, Col_2:14 δογματα (1) Act_16:4 δογματων (1) Act_17:7

The Greeks never used the word ‘dogma’ in reference to God’s Law, NEVER!

I had to laugh when Hoggard finally responded to this, not in private as a good pastor would, but without asking he decided to air his answers to the public first, which thankfully I caught the last part so I could write in a couple of comments. What Hoggard said was that I was defining the word ordinances using Hebrew not Greek, he said I hate the Greek and never us it. Now who is the liar? Who is the false prophet leading people astray? One who shows truth using the Greek text or one who lies to his listeners when he who obviously couldn't see the Greek right in from of him because of the Roman glasses he wears.

185 posted on 03/14/2013 10:18:12 AM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: mdmathis6
As Iasked Hoggard who skipped right over the question, I ask the same of you,

That which is left of Matthew is our constant and everlasting Rock that all mankind of all ages can count on. His Words there are our everlasting examples of how His Law and Order sustains the universe and all life that is in it. Paul delighted in the Law, James called it the Law of Liberty so how can something that is delightful be bad to the taste or how can something that brings liberty be bondage?

Joh 14:11 “Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, otherwise believe Me because of the works themselves. 12 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he shall do also, ..."

If we truly believe in Him we will follow him and walk as He walk, do as He did which was obey the Father, not change or do away with what the Father gave.

Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets, ..."

The word 'fulfill' at the end of verse 17 cannot mean to do away with, but rather it means to fill to its fullest so it now operates as it always was meant to operate, to keep us safe, to bring blessing which is eternal life to those who trust in it because they trust in the Father as Abraham trusted in the Father. Those who don't walk as Jesus walked, don't really trust in the Father as Jesus trusted in the Father. It is that simple. Jesus is our example, not our waterboy.

186 posted on 03/14/2013 10:29:44 AM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: anathemized
but Jeremiah says a better covenant awaits

Okay, let's examine Jeremiah,

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

The law not on stone but written on the heart. So where pray tell does He say He will put a "new" law? Where is the prophecy preceding this that declares that God is going to give us a new law?

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

It would seem to me that since every man is still teaching his neighbor and not every man on earth "knoweth" the LORD, then this covenant has not been "fulfilled" yet now has it. So no, Jesus has not completely fulfilled the new covenant. Yes, His blood sealed it up, but that seal has not been broken yet for it to be implemented. That comes at His return when all receive the promise of the new covenant together at one time, not one before the other as so any can boast.

Heb 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: 40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

The bride prepares herself, just as we see rehearsed at every wedding. She endures all the stresses that come with that preparation and then she is rewarded when she comes to stand before her husband-to-be and then the two become one forever and ever. The end told from the beginning just as He promised it would be.

The greatest lie ever told: Gen 3:4 "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die"

Die from what? What state of being was Adam and Eve in in that day? They were in the state of eternal beings now weren't they?

Deu 32:46 "And he said unto them, Set your hearts unto all the words which I testify among you this day, which ye shall command your children to observe to do, all the words of this law. 47 For it is not a vain thing for you; because it is your life,"

187 posted on 03/14/2013 10:57:25 AM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: mdmathis6
4Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can you, except you abide in me

Bear fruit? What is the fruit we are to bear?

Joh 15:6 “If anyone does not stay in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up. And they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
Joh 15:7 “If you stay in Me, and My Words stay in you, you shall ask whatever you wish, and it shall be done for you.
Joh 15:8 “In this My Father is esteemed, that you bear much fruit, and you shall be My taught ones.
Joh 15:9 “As the Father has loved Me, I have also loved you. Stay in My love.
Joh 15:10 “If you guard My commands, you shall stay in My love,1 even as I have guarded My Father’s commands and stay in His love. Footnote: 1See 14:15.

The Son's commands were the Father's as the Son and the Father are one. The Son said his works were not of him but that they were the works of the Father, so as it was for the Son, if the Son be in us and we in Him, then the Father will do His works through us just as He did His works through the Son.

188 posted on 03/14/2013 11:07:58 AM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: ladyL
Is there a trend here in spinning the Word? Yes, and it started in the Garden...”Didn’t God say?” satan was the first preacher and is still spinning it today.

It's the "Clinton Effect" where it all depends on what the definition of the word is, is.

Joh 4:23 “But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father also does seek such to worship Him. 24 “Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship in spirit and truth.”

But in the case of true worship, they change the word "and" in Jn 4:23-24 to mean "of", its all about Jesus now, he does it all for them. but in doing so, what they do not realize is rejecting truth is rejecting Messiah.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the lifeno man cometh unto the Father, but by me: .

Psa 119:1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD. 2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart. 3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways. 4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.

Psa 119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.

Psa 119:151 Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth.

Psa 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

Deu 32:46 And he said unto them, Set your hearts unto all the words which I testify among you this day, which ye shall command your children to observe to do, all the words of this law. 47 For it is not a vain thing for you; because it is your life

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Grace "AND" Truth, through His grace and our humbling of ourselves as to submit ourselves to His authority as our Maker and Master to whom we are to obey, we are able to receive His Truth in order to do His Truth. The cycle of "life", eternal life as God told us to be through His Gospel message that has been from the beginning.

Deu 8:2 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no. 3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live. (see Mt 4:4 & Lk 4:4)

Deu 10:12 And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul, Deu 10:13 To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good.

Deu 10:16 “And you shall circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and harden your neck no more. 17 “For יהוה your Elohim is Elohim of mighty ones and Master of masters, the great Ěl, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality nor takes a bribe.

189 posted on 03/14/2013 12:04:17 PM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: patlin
Psalm 119 ministries.com Two young men who teach the Truth giving away their teachings and I don't even know their names because they don't feel it's important for people to know their name. They are truly humble servants of the Truths of the Bible. Anybody who wants to hear a strong prophetical teaching on the Blood Moon Tetrads that John Hagee and Perry Stone are teaching, go to You Tube and search for Daniel Unsealed by 119 ministries. It will definitely show you what time it is. These young men were giving this teaching before Hagee and Stone.
190 posted on 03/14/2013 7:23:19 PM PDT by ladyL
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To: patlin
Psalm 119 ministries.com Two young men who teach the Truth giving away their teachings and I don't even know their names because they don't feel it's important for people to know their name. They are truly humble servants of the Truths of the Bible. Anybody who wants to hear a strong prophetical teaching on the Blood Moon Tetrads that John Hagee and Perry Stone are teaching, go to You Tube and search for Daniel Unsealed by 119 ministries. It will definitely show you what time it is. These young men were giving this teaching before Hagee and Stone.
191 posted on 03/14/2013 7:23:19 PM PDT by ladyL
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To: ladyL; patlin
Psalm 119 ministries.com Two young men who teach the Truth giving away their teachings and I don't even know their names because they don't feel it's important for people to know their name. They are truly humble servants of the Truths of the Bible. Anybody who wants to hear a strong prophetical teaching on the Blood Moon Tetrads that John Hagee and Perry Stone are teaching, go to You Tube and search for Daniel Unsealed by 119 ministries. It will definitely show you what time it is. These young men were giving this teaching before Hagee and Stone.

Wow, thanks for that - Watched the Daniel thing and the blood tetrads thing... pretty good info. Now I will go back and do the whole thing.

I wonder if their '48 and '67 failures are due to the barley - 29 days off for the leap year thing... Many of the Hebrew roots folks still don't get the importance of the barley being abib.

Their conclusion is close to mine, but their final conclusion, i think, is not right, as there simply isn't enough time to fulfill all that still needs to happen... or so it would seem to me. I think the blood tetrads are the final warning, and that the next Jubilee will be the time frame for the action. All the signs and portents indicate that we are entering into the end of days.

However, the Jubilee following that one(14 years off) is a grand Jubilee, I believe, and is inside the window predicted by the long count prophecies. IOW, i think they are right in that the signs have to happen BEFORE, but they are way-markers for what will happen in the next (or near) Jubilee.

I think the grand Jubilee has to be figured in. the next one probably marks 6000 years, and is likely a Grand-grand Jubilee (50 fifties). I can't say exactly, and I don't think anyone really can - But I agree that the blood tetrads are a sign that the wise maidens had best trim their wicks and light their lamps. If nothing else, it is a confirmation that it nears, and that those who watch the Holy Days of YHWH are dead-on right.

I have said for some time now that we are very close - If I do not see the coming of Messiah with my own eyes, my children most certainly will. I am 51 and I am expecting to see it happen.

192 posted on 03/15/2013 4:09:33 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1

I hope others will go to this teaching...it is so important! 119Ministries.net their 5 part prophecy teaching, especially Daniel Unsealed. It will startle you what the scriptures actually say. John Hagee and Perry Stone are teaching the Blood Moon tetrads but 119’s teaching is more in depth.

Speaking of Abib. A lady at our last bible study said she had a strange dream...very short and I think prophetical. She saw someone throw a loaf of BARLEY bread into a massive tree and it burst into huge flames.

Any thought?


193 posted on 03/16/2013 5:14:14 PM PDT by ladyL
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To: xzins
Chaplin it should be noted that there are two laws referred to in Scripture. Moses Law i.e. the Book of the Law and the Royal Law, Yahweh's Law the Ten Commandments. The Ten Commandments were carried inside the Ark of the Covenant and Moses Law, the 613 mitzvoth were place on the outside of the Ark.

Part of the confusion in Paul's writings is not discerning which “Law” Paul is alluding to. The written commandments (613 mitzvot) were nailed to the cross but the Ten Commandments have been written on the heart of every Believer. They are our marriage covenant and MUST BE obeyed. We are “under” the Royal Law but His Grace covers our transgression till we come to repentance. How many years did we break the 4th Commandment out of ignorance but once you know the law you are bound by it. Depart from me you workers of INIQUITY. Iniquity is to break a known law. Obviously with this statement Yahshua is saying there will be judgment if you break a known law.

194 posted on 03/16/2013 5:35:28 PM PDT by ladyL
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To: ladyL
119 ministries.com Two young men who teach the Truth giving away their teachings and I don't even know their names because they don't feel it's important for people to know their name

Actually they do give their names, they are Steve and Jon and be careful, while their teachings are mostly truth, I have found some grave errors that for some reason, they have been too proud to correct even though they say if we bring it to their attention, using Scripture only, they will correct it.

195 posted on 03/16/2013 8:13:26 PM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: ladyL
Part of the confusion in Paul's writings is not discerning which “Law” Paul is alluding to. The written commandments (613 mitzvot) were nailed to the cross but the Ten Commandments have been written on the heart of every Believer.

Um, NO, the word Paul uses is not the word or any of God's commands, they are what pertains to the ‘dogmas’ of man. Mt 22:37-23:3; Mt 5:17-20; Rev 22:18-19

And also, heaven and earth are His witnesses against us, so as long as heaven and earth are still here, not one iota of Moses and the Prophets are to be set aside. He came to fulfill, to fully fuel that which had been waiting for His first coming in order that through the Spirit we now can do as He did, walk in total obedience to the Father.

Mt 5:18 = Dt 30:19 Want to know His love, read and get to know Moses because Moses wrote of Him as He gave it to Moses to give to us. Acts 7:38, this is He who gave Moses the living Oracles of God to give to us!

Who ate lunch with Abraham? http://www.amazon.com/Who-Lunch-Abraham-Asher-Intrater/dp/1935906607 a must read for every bible and prophecy student.

196 posted on 03/16/2013 8:25:28 PM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: ladyL

“BARLEY bread into a massive tree and it burst into huge flames.”

Pentecost is the first barley harvest and it also was the date the Holy Spirit fell upon the Apostles and that 3000 people were saved.

The dream seems incomplete....what was the description of the person who threw the bread and while the tree was burning was the tree consumed by the flame or was it undamaged?
The barley bread... was it leavened or unleavened?(puffed up like a yeast bread or was it more like barley crackers, small cakes, or wafers?) Ask the lady from your Bible study for a few more details.

If the tree was consumed into ashes it speaks of a judgment of some type; yet only God can give the full interpretation of dreams. Yet even without interpretation, the dream is so upfront spiritual in nature that one can’t ignore it.

It might be interesting to see what happens about 50 days after this year’s Passover(when Pentecost is supposed to take place)....that would put it late May.


197 posted on 03/17/2013 1:23:23 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Rest assured, Mankind is loved....both completely and severely!)
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To: mdmathis6; ladyL

Correction: Pentecost the the first wheat harvest 50 days after the barley Harvest or Abib(the date was historically flexible depending on the ripeness of the first stalks of barley. Sorry about the confusion. Still interested if the bread was leavened or unleavened and if the tree was consumed or not consumed? Being so close to Passover, the the bread being leavened or not leavened might have very ominous significance.

There are 4 possibilities.....1. leavened barley bread causing a flame that does not consume the tree.

2. leavened bread that causes flames that do consume the tree.

3. Unleavened bread that causes flames that do not ultimately consume or damage the tree

and lastly: 4. Unleavened bread that causes flames that utterly reduce the tree to ashes


198 posted on 03/17/2013 1:46:17 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Rest assured, Mankind is loved....both completely and severely!)
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Thank you...will run this all by her today and try to get some answers to your questions. One thing should be noted, the BARLEY loaf was completely off her radar and she specifically KNEW it was BARLEY. That, she thought was odd.
I don’t know, when I heard it, I just knew it was prophetic and I am very conservative when it comes to Word of Knowledge, dreams, etc. The lady is a very godly woman, sweet in spirit and is called to Intercession so I know the source is good. I’ll get back to you. Thanks.


199 posted on 03/17/2013 6:17:19 AM PDT by ladyL
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“the BARLEY loaf was completely off her radar and she specifically KNEW it was BARLEY”

It may be a message meant for someone else...kind of like how the BBC sent coded messages to resistance groups via short wave during WW2. One message held significance for one group, another held significance for another. So who ever has heard or has read of her message, it holds a meaning for someone for whom that message was shaped.

I haven’t liked the notion of Obama going to Israel during pass-over(the first “barley” sheafs or Abid are supposed to be able to be harvested around that time). I fear something dreadful will come out of it though as to what may not immediately be apparent!


200 posted on 03/18/2013 4:35:14 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Rest assured, Mankind is loved....both completely and severely!)
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