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To: RegulatorCountry

You wrote:

“I’d love to debate with you Vlad but this honestly isn’t the thread for it.”

But then you’ll do it anyway, right?

“I’ve always wondered why a small “sect” like the the Moravians are such an apparent bee in your bonnet, though.”

I think you’re imagining things. There are no bees in my bonnet, and no bonnet as a matter of fact.

“Does it have anything to do with their having Eastern Orthodox origins, suppressed by Hapsburg nobles installed by force at the direction of Rome?”

The Moravians have no “Eastern Orthodox origins” - except perhaps in the mad ravings of modern revisionists. The Moravians have origins perhaps in the Hussites - who also have “Eastern Orthodox origins” but only in the minds of raving modern revisionists.

“That’s a question for another time and another thread. Quite the inconvenient curiosity, that the first “Protestant” church predated Martin Luther by a considerable amount of time and arose via the Orthodox, isn’t it?”

No, since it never happened. No Protestant church predates Luther for the following reasons:

1) None of them are “churches”. There are only sects among the Protestants.
2) The two ecclesial bodies, the two sects, among the Protestants today which predate the Protestants in any way are the Hussites and the Waldensians. Both groups went through such massive changes because of Protestant contacts that they have little or nothing to do with their pre-1517 ancestors. The Italian Waldensians, for instance, are Methodists today. The Hussites and their descendents abandoned their belief in Utraquism as a necessity of salvation.
3) Neither group had any connection with Eastern Orthodoxy. Such a connection is a modern invention. Such inventions are common among Protestants who lack any real history predating 1517. Thus, they have created a fraudulent history to salve their consciences. You can see this with Carroll’s Trail of Blood which is a completely ahistorical and unhistorical and imaginative product.

38 posted on 03/30/2013 7:32:53 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
The Italian Waldensians, for instance, are Methodists today

The Waldensians who left their historic home in the Cottian Alps for religious freedom in the late nineteenth century aren't. Their settlement is just up the road from me, about an hour away. Beautiful stone church. They obviously cherish it.

39 posted on 03/30/2013 7:39:11 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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