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Students Try to Banish Catholic Chaplain From Campus for Anti-Gay Stance
The Daily Caller via Yahoo News ^ | 4/4/13

Posted on 04/04/2013 6:39:18 AM PDT by marshmallow

Two gay seniors at George Washington University say they feel alienated because the chaplain at George Washington’s Newman Center rejects homosexuality, and they aren’t going to take it anymore.

The seniors, Damian Legacy and Blake Bergen, have announced a coordinated campaign to rid the campus of the Roman Catholic priest, reports The GW Hatchet, the school’s independent student newspaper.

They also assert that 12 or more students have quit the Newman Center in recent years because they can’t tolerate Father Greg Shaffer’s ardent anti-gay and, for the record, anti-abortion — beliefs.

Shaffer has worked for five years at George Washington’s Newman Center. He told the Hatchet that religion and unrestricted speech “play a vital role at a diverse university like GW.”

Legacy and Bergen say they are primarily upset about the counseling Shaffer offers. They say he urges students who have homosexual feelings to lead a life of celibacy.

Catholic Church doctrine maintains that homosexual desire isn’t a sin, but acting on that desire is, according to the website Catholic.com.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: academia; academialist; catholiccolleges; homosexualagenda; orientationequality; orificejustice
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1 posted on 04/04/2013 6:39:18 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Maybe the queers should quit for being so intolerant?????


2 posted on 04/04/2013 6:40:41 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: marshmallow

How very tolerant and open-minded of them.


3 posted on 04/04/2013 6:40:52 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: marshmallow

Aww... because “they feel alienated.” “Alienated” by WHAT???? Is the priest walking around shouting that they’re going to hell?


4 posted on 04/04/2013 6:42:13 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: marshmallow

This is all going too far. Sooner or later....something is gonna happen...either we all just “give up and in” like Portman—or someone says—and MEANS—that is ENOUGH!! WE ARE taking our country BACK!!


5 posted on 04/04/2013 6:43:15 AM PDT by Rca2000
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To: marshmallow

We’re losing . . . every day . . . incrementally and sometimes in giant steps . . . but we’re losing.

I don’t see a single thing going our way. As far as I can see, the only thing fighting for us is the NRA . . . just about all the republicans have caved in dramatically in almost every singe thing we’ve been fighting for.

It’s a shame that the NRA is the only organization besides the remnants of the TEA Party that are hanging on to what’s left of our Constitution.


6 posted on 04/04/2013 6:44:45 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: laweeks

Agreed. Without the NRA there would be no one left..


7 posted on 04/04/2013 6:47:56 AM PDT by cardinal4 (Constitution? What Constitution?)
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To: marshmallow
All this going on is an obvious coordinated attack. The gays, the gun-grabbers, the undocumented Democrat proponents are all working together to make us feel hopeless and just give up.

The tide is about to turn on them, big time.

They are on the wrong side of history, they just haven't figured it out yet.

8 posted on 04/04/2013 6:49:18 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: marshmallow
And here you see the essential schizophrenia of the Liberal position.

This nimrod says he wanted to become a priest . . . but then he gets involved in an active homosexual relationship. Then he gets all in a tizzy because the chaplain says that is Wrong.

But - at the same time - the Liberals spend their time blaming the Church for child abuse, when that abuse was overwhelmingly (85%+) perpetrated against pubescent boys. I.e. homosexual "chicken-hawking". The Church has taken action and cleaned out a lot of these guys (who never should have been there in the first place, but some American bishops were infected with the Spirit of the Age in the 1960s and 70s - but that's another long story).

So . . . the Church is trying to get the homosexuals out and keep them out, to avoid homosexual molestation of teenage boys, but the liberals are condemning them for picking on the homosexuals.

And they're doing the exact same thing to the Boy Scouts.

By sticking their fingers in their ears and claiming the molestation of boys has nothing . . . no! absolutely nothing! . . . to do with homosexuality, they are managing to keep two entirely inconsistent ideas in their heads at once.

These people are nuts. Also evil.

9 posted on 04/04/2013 6:49:44 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: marshmallow

“because they can’t tolerate Father Greg Shaffer’s ardent anti-gay and, for the record, anti-abortion — beliefs.” <p. Further proof that, for the left, “tolerance” is a one way street. And their solution to the “alienation” they claim to feel is to alienate the Father from the entire campus.


10 posted on 04/04/2013 6:51:46 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: marshmallow

Perhaps we should make such Christians identify themselves with an emblem. I suggest cross with male and female figures holding hands - a yellow pin, badge or patch. Then we can identify them as we approach them in the streets and walk to the other side. We should teach them a lesson some evening in early November - break the windows of the Newman Center and similar buildings with bricks and hammers and such. Then maybe if they still insist on their views we can load them on trains and move them to central locations out of our proximity.


11 posted on 04/04/2013 7:06:25 AM PDT by jimfree (In November 2016 my 12 y/o granddaughter will have more quality exec experience than Barack Obama)
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To: marshmallow

We thought that diversity was about being tolerant, multi-cultural. But it was an innocent mistake. Diversity meant to be diverse from morality in society. It simply is another name for evil.


12 posted on 04/04/2013 7:10:18 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: marshmallow
they can’t tolerate Father Greg Shaffer’s ardent anti-gay and, for the record, anti-abortion

Now, why would gays worry about getting pregnant?

13 posted on 04/04/2013 7:20:18 AM PDT by dragonblustar (2 Peter 3:18)
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To: marshmallow
I didn't read the article - are the naggers also complaining about the anti-gay views of the Muslim chaplain at George Washington University (if they currently have someone occupying that position - an earlier holder of that position was terminated with extreme prejudice by Obama - see http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/sep/30/awlaki-the-model-moderate-muslim/)?
14 posted on 04/04/2013 7:31:20 AM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: marshmallow
Catholic doctrine maintains homosexual desire isn't a sin but acting on them is?

Is this so?

How does that square with the Bible's various scripture admonishing "lustful desires," "carnal desires," "lusting after another man's wife committing adultery in one's heart," etc.?

I ask those of you that are versed in Catholic doctrine if in fact this is so, or is it merely journalism malpractice by reporting fantasy as fact?

15 posted on 04/04/2013 7:36:23 AM PDT by zerosix (Native sunflower)
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To: marshmallow

“Cardinal Newman” Society PROMOTES CATHOLIC DOCTRINE. Join another “club” if you don’t like the one your in.


16 posted on 04/04/2013 7:46:07 AM PDT by capt B
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To: marshmallow

The homofascists never rest.


17 posted on 04/04/2013 7:46:58 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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To: marshmallow
TOLERANCE!

(... But not for those who hold dissimilar beliefs...)

18 posted on 04/04/2013 7:47:50 AM PDT by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: AnAmericanMother
These people are nuts. Also evil.

Good summary. Have a Guinness!

19 posted on 04/04/2013 7:48:11 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? JESUS! Y a su nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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To: zerosix
"Catholic doctrine maintains homosexual desire isn't a sin but acting on them is?
Is this so?"

Catholic teaching is clearly stated in the Catechism:

CCC 2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

CCC 2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

CCC 2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

20 posted on 04/04/2013 7:49:37 AM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: dragonblustar

I occasionally spend a moment puzzling about why homosexual men are so into abortion.


21 posted on 04/04/2013 7:51:10 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? JESUS! Y a su nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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To: zerosix
Loose journalism.

Catholic doctrine maintains that homosexual orientation per se, is not sinful but disordered. Homosexual acts are acts of "great depravity" and the lust or desire to commit such acts would also be sinful.

See HERE

22 posted on 04/04/2013 7:58:51 AM PDT by marshmallow (.)
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To: marshmallow
Thanks to you and "Natural Law" for informing me of Catholic doctrine on the subject.

As I suspected, it is the act and the lust for the act that is considered sin, not merely the lack of desire toward the opposite sex.

Those kinds of persons have always existed, they lack strong sexual desire, certainly for the opposite sex.

They were always the unmarried uncle or aunt in the family.

Sometimes they were referred to as the spinster auntie or the perennial bachelor uncle.

Many times we looked forward to their visits for they oftentimes brought gifs for the kiddies as they weren't spending their money on their own families!

Now, however, society pushes them toward same sex affiliations as society cannot imagine life without sex!

23 posted on 04/04/2013 8:14:18 AM PDT by zerosix (Native sunflower)
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To: marshmallow

Why don’t these two students leave instead?


24 posted on 04/04/2013 8:25:46 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Natural Law

Love the sinner; hate the sin.


25 posted on 04/04/2013 8:28:00 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: marshmallow; xzins
Pray for all chaplains.

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26 posted on 04/04/2013 8:34:34 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; NYer; Salvation; american colleen; Desdemona; StAthanasiustheGreat; ..

Catholic ping!


27 posted on 04/04/2013 8:43:31 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Salvation

The chaplain needs prayer. The GW University is a private, secular university, so they will have all the political correctness such a place could muster.

Lord Jesus, we pray that Father Shaeffer receive divine protection in his mission of speaking truth. In Your Holy Name we pray, Amen.


28 posted on 04/04/2013 8:44:27 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

And an echoing Amen!


29 posted on 04/04/2013 8:52:24 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: American in Israel

“We thought that diversity was about being tolerant, multi-cultural. But it was an innocent mistake. Diversity meant to be diverse from morality in society. It simply is another name for evil.”

Diversity is where nations go to die.


30 posted on 04/04/2013 10:24:55 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Tax-chick

“I occasionally spend a moment puzzling about why homosexual men are so into abortion.”

Baby-killing and sodomy are Satan’s sacraments.


31 posted on 04/04/2013 10:27:49 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: marshmallow
They say he urges students who have homosexual feelings to lead a life of celibacy.

I think the students' obsession with anus worship has hampered their cognitive abilities leading them to confuse the term 'celibate' with the term 'chaste'.

Besides, everyone knows you can not marry an anus.

32 posted on 04/04/2013 11:12:34 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: zerosix
Homosexual acts are sinful.

An "act" can be a thought (interior act) or word or deed (exterior act.) Any homosexual act, interior or exterior, is a sin.

Related, but morally disinguishable from this, is a homosexual "orientaion," a response pattern which is not willed. For some people, this produces more-or-less persistent temptations which are not willful, i.e. tempting thoughts or feelings which you are determined to resist and overcome.

So, as Jesus said, if you look at somebody to intentionaly excite you own lust, you have committed adultery with them in your heart: this is a sin.

But if you have involuntary feeling which you are resisting that is a temptation, not a sin. Holy Scripture says that Jesus was tempted in every way that we are, but without sinning.

I wonder why this GWU senior would go to a priest for counseling, knowing that the priest would try to help him resist temptation an win a victory over the unwelcome tendencies related to his orientation. Was the student genuinely surprisd that a priest would encourage him to gain self-mastery by the grace of God to remain free of sin?

33 posted on 04/04/2013 11:23:56 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can observe a lot just by watchin'." - Yogi Berra)
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To: dsc
Baby-killing and sodomy are Satan’s sacraments.

That's about what I'd concluded.

34 posted on 04/04/2013 11:55:48 AM PDT by Tax-chick (That sound? It's either the love call of the sand-squid, or my son playing the guitar.)
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To: marshmallow
All that changed, though, when Legacy told Shaffer that he and Bergen had entered a homosexual relationship. Shaffer allegedly charged Legacy with being immoral and lacking in faith.

Uhhh...What did you want him to say? Did you want him to give you a round of applause? Buy you flowers? Throw a party? Marry you on the spot?

It's not like he was merely picking on homosexuals. He would say that if you were engaging in ANY sin, be that sin premarital sex, procuring an abortion, adultery, stealing, doing drugs, being an alcoholic, etc. The job of a priest is to guide people to Christ and discourage people from sinning because sin separates people from Christ.

He's mad because the priest didn't toss out Catholic and Biblical teachings and praise his decision. A priest isn't going to do that. If he wants that, find any gay pride group, and they'll celebrate his relationship with open arms.

“To have my faith leader view me that way, just because of one piece of the way that God made me, and to think that one part is responsible for the destruction of my human dignity, it just didn’t…I can’t even begin to describe the mental conflict that it creates,” Legacy told the Hatchet.

I think the priest is obviously aggravating his conscience because he can't just disregard what he said and walk away, he has to remove the priest completely.

How long before we become like Sweden and part of the Bible and Church teachings become hate speech? We'll be like China where we have a "Patriotic Catholic Church" who has to tow the party line.

35 posted on 04/04/2013 1:36:51 PM PDT by Pinkbell
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To: DBeers
"Besides, everyone knows you can not marry an anus."

YET!

36 posted on 04/04/2013 1:43:02 PM PDT by safeasthebanks ("The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money!" - Dr. Nick)
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To: zerosix
Now, however, society pushes them toward same sex affiliations as society cannot imagine life without sex!

Very good points. There have probably always been many people who really weren't interested in getting involved, so to speak, not only sexually but emotionally. They often enjoyed the company of their brothers and sisters and their families, but either had other interests or just simply personalities that weren't going to be comfortable in that life.

And now in our sex-obsessed society, they've all been forced to announce that this means that they're "gay." Look at all the effort modern literary "scholars" put into trying to prove that one or another early writer who never married but had friends was either actively homosexual or secretly lusting for his friends. Said writer would have been shocked and disgusted, but now, since sex is all, this is unthinkable to the modern mind.

37 posted on 04/04/2013 1:43:42 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius
You have also hit on a subject that sets my blood boiling - gays who claim this or that person was gay and as the person is no longer living to dispute the so-called "facts" invented out of whole cloth.

The spurious claims go unanswered, even repeated with each gay defender adding more "facts" of their own until many "low information" people actually believe the lie and argue the pro-gay case!

38 posted on 04/04/2013 2:12:57 PM PDT by zerosix (Native sunflower)
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To: xzins; Salvation
Thank you, xzins.

Almighty God, please supply this Campus Ministry chaplain with the clarity and courage to defend Holy Marriage as established by Divine and Natural Law, and to minister to those who are struggling in the grips of a corrupt and degenerate culture. Increase his faith in the wisdom of Your designs; animate his Bishop to confirm him in the Truth. In Jesus' Name, Amen.

Salvation: who's his bishop? would it be--- Wuerl? :o(

Redouble the prayers!

39 posted on 04/04/2013 2:17:54 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can observe a lot just by watchin'." - Yogi Berra)
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To: Tax-chick; dsc
Not all homosexually disordered men (and women) are abortion enthusiasts. Some of them are pro-life. Really.

PRO LIFE ASSOCIATION OF GAYS AND LESBIANS

http://www.plagal.org/

40 posted on 04/04/2013 2:24:27 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can observe a lot just by watchin'." - Yogi Berra)
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To: Pinkbell

They could just quit the Catholic Church and go Episcopalian. The ECUSA celebrates homosexuals, having elevated to bishop at least one openly gay man who left his wife and children to be with his male partner. The ECUSA even seized property of parishes that didn’t want to go along with gay pride. It’s perfect for Legacy and Bergen.


41 posted on 04/04/2013 2:31:58 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: zerosix; livius
They're doing this with Willa Cather (d. 1943) now. Her private corresponance and journals have been released by her literary executors for publication, against Cather's vehement demand for privacy. She had explicitly forbidden the publication of, or even direct quotation from, her correspondance.

There is no evidence she was a lesbian, but now all the university literati (with the morals of papparazzi) are combing through her papers trying to find out if she got down with her life-long female friends.

It is truly disgusting, especially since Cather was intensely private by nature, and a classicist by training and temperament. There is nothing she would like less than ginned-up gossip that she had passionate affairs with women --- for which there is (still) no evidence, but the Queer Theorists keep on dredging along.

It's like trying to make a Sapphist out of Emily Dickenson.

42 posted on 04/04/2013 2:39:47 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can observe a lot just by watchin'." - Yogi Berra)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
She had explicitly forbidden the publication of, or even direct quotation from, her correspondence.

Should have destroyed her correspondence instead of leaving it for posterity.

I've read most of Willa Cather's novels, after refusing to read "My Antonia" in high school. Good stuff.

43 posted on 04/04/2013 2:52:26 PM PDT by Tax-chick (That sound? It's either the love call of the sand-squid, or my son playing the guitar.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Good.


44 posted on 04/04/2013 3:07:43 PM PDT by Tax-chick (That sound? It's either the love call of the sand-squid, or my son playing the guitar.)
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To: Tax-chick

I’m told she burned boxes of private papers, so I really don’t understand what the deal is with the literary executors. Maybe they traced down the people she wrote to, and got the letters from them???? Claiming they had rights to them, because they were written by Cather? I don’t know.

I liked The Song of the Lark. I like the simple language, and the fact that (somehow) it can have srong emotions and at the same time be bracingly unsentimental. Takes a great writer to do that.


45 posted on 04/04/2013 3:19:19 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can observe a lot just by watchin'." - Yogi Berra)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
... have strong emotions and at the same time be bracingly unsentimental.

That's a good description.

Being from the Midwest, I like the stories set in Nebraska.

46 posted on 04/04/2013 3:27:05 PM PDT by Tax-chick (That sound? It's either the love call of the sand-squid, or my son playing the guitar.)
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To: marshmallow

earth to gays...........Catholics consider homosexuality a sin, you can’t change that with your bigotry


47 posted on 04/05/2013 7:41:18 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: zerosix

catholic doctrine says sexual intercourse is for married people. Marriage is between a man and woman. That is all.


48 posted on 04/05/2013 7:42:42 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Tax-chick
I occasionally spend a moment puzzling about why homosexual men are so into abortion.

I'm puzzled by the same thing vis a vis abortion and lesbians. It's not like they are going to need them.

49 posted on 04/05/2013 8:02:29 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (Viva il papa)
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To: marshmallow

In other words they’re upset that a Roman Catholic priest actually agrees with the official teaching on the church he was ordained in and I assume took vows saying he would uphold?

It would be like someone being mad at the president of the League of Women Voters for supporting female suffrage.


50 posted on 04/05/2013 8:37:24 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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