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Rick Warren’s Son Commits Suicide
charismannews ^ | Jennifer LeClaire

Posted on 04/06/2013 2:20:59 PM PDT by Morgana

ick Warren’s son has taken his own life. Matthew Warren, 27, had struggled with mental illness before his death.

Evangelist Greg Laurie posted an e-mail the Saddleback Church pastor sent to this staff: “Only those closest knew that he (Matthew) struggled from birth with mental illness, dark holes of depression, and even suicidal thoughts. In spite of America’s best doctors, meds, counselors, and prayers for healing, the torture of mental illness never subsided. Today, after a fun evening together with Kay and me, in a momentary wave of despair at his home, he took his life.” Click here to read a prayer request Rick Warren e-mailed to his staff.

Prayers and condolences are flooding into Warren’s Facebook page. And Laurie also expressed his heartfelt pain over Warren’s loss.

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TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: megachurch; mentalillness; pastor; rickwarren; rickwarrensonsuicide; saddleback; suicide; warren
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just wow, what could have caused this?
1 posted on 04/06/2013 2:20:59 PM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

Rick Warren is not one of my favorite Pastors, but I feel very badly for him right now. This has to be a terrible hole in his heart, and he deserves our prayers.


2 posted on 04/06/2013 2:23:29 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Morgana

He has my prayers and deepest sympathy. Losing one of your children is horrible no matter what the cause.


3 posted on 04/06/2013 2:23:56 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Morgana

Prayers to all concerned. My brother suffered the same thing and sadly took his life too. Those who have seen the likes of these suffer, truly know how blessed they truly are.


4 posted on 04/06/2013 2:24:03 PM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (Don't forget love)
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To: Morgana

Hoo Boy, The left will latch onto this.

Prayers for the family.


5 posted on 04/06/2013 2:29:00 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Morgana

This is very sad. One lost soul and a devastated family.

Makes me wonder. If all those doctors couldn’t help him it makes me think beyond mere depression. Something more was going on here. It reminds me a bit of that movie The Exorcism of Emily Rose. Scary and sad.

My prayers for the family.


6 posted on 04/06/2013 2:29:05 PM PDT by mardi59 (IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!!!!!)
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To: Morgana

>> “just wow, what could have caused this?” <<

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The very same demons that torment Rick.


7 posted on 04/06/2013 2:30:04 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: BornToBeAmerican

My condolences to you.


9 posted on 04/06/2013 2:30:11 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Revolting cat!

It’s the first time I’ve seen it.


10 posted on 04/06/2013 2:32:30 PM PDT by laplata (The Answer To 1984 Is 1776)
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To: mardi59

>> “If all those doctors couldn’t help him it makes me think beyond mere depression.” <<

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Read God’s word.

“Medicine” helps no one.

Jeremiah 17:

[5] Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

[6] For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited.

[7] Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is.

[8] For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.

Eph 6:12

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].


12 posted on 04/06/2013 2:38:41 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Revolting cat!

Condolences to the family.


13 posted on 04/06/2013 2:38:48 PM PDT by laplata (The Answer To 1984 Is 1776)
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To: Morgana

My condolences to the Warren family. Losing a child is perhaps the worst pain someone can endure.


14 posted on 04/06/2013 2:40:28 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Morgana

Oh, this is so sad. So sorry for his loss and for his family. When we see our own children going astray it breaks our hearts but each of God’s children makes his/her own decisions. God bless the Warren family during this time of sorrow.


15 posted on 04/06/2013 2:44:25 PM PDT by District13 (Obama scares me)
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To: editor-surveyor

Read God’s word.

“Medicine” helps no one.

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I read Gods word and that is what I was talking about in my post. The doctors were useless in this case. We are fighting Powers and Principalities and the sooner people recognize that the better we will all be.


16 posted on 04/06/2013 2:46:12 PM PDT by mardi59 (IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!!!!!)
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To: Cyber Liberty

This is the second minister’s son I am aware pf that has committed suicide. I also know personally a minister’s daughter that decided to become a minister, did so, then decided she was gay. Minister’s kids are used by satan and his evil minions to torture the ministers.


17 posted on 04/06/2013 2:49:14 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: mardi59

If all those doctors couldn’t help him it makes me think beyond mere depression.

__________________________

“Mere” depression can be lethal. Major Depression Disorder is not the blues. It is not something that can be shaken off. It is life threatening and debilitating.


18 posted on 04/06/2013 2:54:33 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: mylife

[[Hoo Boy, The left will latch onto this.]]

They are most likely celebrating just liek they did with hte death of Tony Snow- They truly are a dispicable lot the left- They hate with a seething vehement hatred of those who are moral, then turn aroudn and lecture us on ‘loving one another’- Just had that happen to me infact on Yahoo news thread- I ju7yst hope their seethign violent hatred doesn’t push htem straight into hell- that they coem to a point where they realize just how hateful they really are- there are none so blind as those that refuse to see like they do


19 posted on 04/06/2013 2:55:06 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: mardi59

My bad for not understanding your post.

Yes, this is an attack by the powers of wickedness.


20 posted on 04/06/2013 2:59:09 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Chickensoup

>> “Major Depression Disorder is not the blues” <<

Correct, it is the result of demonic tampering with his spirit. That is why going to a doctor is worse than useless.


21 posted on 04/06/2013 3:05:55 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Morgana; DocRock; del4hope; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg; jude24; Ottofire; fishtank; ...
Please pray for the Warren family.

The YBPDLNPL is generally published infrequently, but based on the exploits of the megachurch pastors posts can spike for a period of time. If you would like on or off of this list please FReepmail me.

22 posted on 04/06/2013 3:07:57 PM PDT by Gamecock ("Ultimately, Jesus died to save us from the wrath of God." —R.C. Sproul)
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To: editor-surveyor

Correct, it is the result of demonic tampering with his spirit. That is why going to a doctor is worse than useless.

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We disagree.


23 posted on 04/06/2013 3:12:50 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: Morgana; All
Sad to hear this news.

However, prayers for healing is not the primary method by which God Almighty works today; it is by Grace and not signs and wonders and miracles of healings... those were for ISRAEL. Although I know that some types of healings are possible but this does not mean that God heals everybody that asks for it - for what is our purpose today: we are declared SONS of GOD and we are appointed to SUFFER for Christ's SAKE to become MATURE SONS, as I currently am a such a SON of my FATHER GOD - like Father like son.


Romans 8:17: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Romans 8:18: For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

We are fighting against SATANS' powers and principalities in the heavenly places, which one day, we SONS of GOD shall replenish those evil devils


Romans 8:38: For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come


Ephesians 3:10: To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God


Ephesians 6:12: For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

The sooner people recognize that we are SONS of GOD and SUFFER for Christ's SAKE, and grow in GOD's plan and purpose for His SONS which we are by His declaration in Romans, then the better we all will be for the GLORY to be revealed in us as JOINT-HEIRS of Christ IN HIS GLORY. Not all believer-saints receive the JOINT-HEIRS of Christ; but all believer-saints receive the heir of GOD.

24 posted on 04/06/2013 3:13:55 PM PDT by AmbassadorForChrist
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To: editor-surveyor

No problem.:)

We are at war and I pray that more people will understand that. satan has been unchained.


25 posted on 04/06/2013 3:15:38 PM PDT by mardi59 (IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!!!!!)
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To: editor-surveyor

I remember listen to a CD from Vision Forum ministries that touched on the attack pastor’s children are under by Satan.

“Why Satan wants your firstborn and what to do about it”

http://www.christianbook.com/satan-wants-first-what-about-audiobook/s-m-davis/9781929241972/pd/241976


26 posted on 04/06/2013 3:40:16 PM PDT by happyhomemaker (Rejoice in hope, be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer. Rom 12:12)
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To: mardi59

How would you know his soul is lost? Apparently he was mentally ill from birth. Do you really believe that God damns souls because of an illness?


27 posted on 04/06/2013 3:45:28 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Morgana

So drugs, sex and rock and roll didn’t help? Did Rick ever consider that Jesus might be the answer?

I can’t stand Rick Warren, but I am sorry to hear of this loss.


28 posted on 04/06/2013 3:50:37 PM PDT by Truth2012
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To: mardi59
One lost soul and a devastated family.

How do you know his soul is lost? Are you FReeping from heaven?

Jesus, is that YOU?!

29 posted on 04/06/2013 3:54:10 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Morgana

warren’s son and suicide


30 posted on 04/06/2013 3:55:26 PM PDT by quintr
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To: Rashputin

I feel more inclined to pray for the kid. Poor soul.


31 posted on 04/06/2013 3:56:39 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: editor-surveyor
“Medicine” helps no one.

Tell that to a diabetic who forgets to take his insulin.

Also, are you saying that his faith was just not strong enough?

32 posted on 04/06/2013 3:57:28 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Kirkwood

It is my prayer that he will reach salvation, but suicide is a sin. You cannot repent after death.

There are other things that go beyond mental illness. Was he possessed or just in a depression. As far as I know, suicide is still a sin. You are throwing away the life God gave you.


33 posted on 04/06/2013 3:58:35 PM PDT by mardi59 (IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!!!!!)
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To: Nita Nupress

How very Christuan of you.


34 posted on 04/06/2013 3:59:34 PM PDT by mardi59 (IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!!!!!)
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To: AmbassadorForChrist

>> “However, prayers for healing is not the primary method by which God Almighty works today” <<

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Nor has it ever been how healing was done.

Healing has always been an issue of sanctification.

We must confess, and repent, and remove the desire to sin. Miracles are as common today as ever, and they are always the result of sanctification.

Pray to be shown what is blocking your healing, and then remove it, and repent.

If you are praying for the healing of another, pray that they be shown what is needed, and that they confess and repent, as that is the only effective process.


35 posted on 04/06/2013 4:01:10 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Nita Nupress

Are you “purpose driven?”

Are you aware of Warren’s departure from God’s word?

Suicide is not for God’s elect. Suicide is very purpose driven.


36 posted on 04/06/2013 4:04:24 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Nita Nupress

>> “Also, are you saying that his faith was just not strong enough?” <<

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Very cliche, but not scriptural.

Sanctification is the only thing that brings healing.

Type 1 diabetes is a self rejection disorder that requires confession, and repentance of that self hatred. Insulin is a bandaid that will never bring healing.


37 posted on 04/06/2013 4:10:08 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Type 1 diabetes is a self rejection disorder that requires confession, and repentance of that self hatred. Insulin is a bandaid that will never bring healing.

_______________________

You are deluded and dangerous.


38 posted on 04/06/2013 4:11:06 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: mardi59; Kirkwood
I was about to ask the question again since you didn't answer (How do you know his soul is lost?), but i see you've already answered it from someone else.

That is your interpretation of the Bible, yes? That's fine; I have my own questions about the fate of someone who kills himself. But what about the verses that address people who are judgmental? Wouldn't that be just as big of a sin? How do YOU know where someone's soul went unless you are there?

And isn't it a little crass to say it out loud? That someone's CHILD is burning in the pits of hell, right now, as we sit here and type? Seriously?!

39 posted on 04/06/2013 4:11:38 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Chickensoup

At the very least.


40 posted on 04/06/2013 4:14:01 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Chickensoup

Dangerous only to the adversary and his minions.

Would that be you?


41 posted on 04/06/2013 4:15:09 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Morgana

“....what could have caused this?”

Attack. Satanic attack. He goes after the family members of effective pastors.

Prayers for Rick and his family.


42 posted on 04/06/2013 4:17:46 PM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Morgana

Man, it’s so great to have persons (of all genders and) of all more or less crazy religious sects represented here today. WHAT A CROWD! WHAT A CROWD! The answer to a headache, according to one well known sect is not an aspirin and call me in the morning, but, of course, Jesus!


43 posted on 04/06/2013 4:19:10 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: editor-surveyor

why do you think God gave us doctors and medicines?

Here we go with the “if doctors can’t cure it, it must be those DEEEEEMONS!” and we used to burn witches too!

Lets not go into the “its a sin...no its a disease...no its a sin” spin.
( oh, but it will go on here, sadly)


44 posted on 04/06/2013 4:20:06 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: mardi59
You cannot repent after death

If you are basing your salvation on your work of repenting for every single sin then you are lost. Yes, repentance is a way of life, but our salvation is not dependent on how good we are at repenting.

You must base your salvation on Christ's righteousness, not your own work of repenting or not repenting. It is God who saves us...not our own awareness of whether or not what we are doing is sin.

45 posted on 04/06/2013 4:20:35 PM PDT by what's up
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To: editor-surveyor

Do you think there’s a chance God helped mankind develop insulin?


46 posted on 04/06/2013 4:20:39 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: Chickensoup

thank you for a rational post.


47 posted on 04/06/2013 4:20:55 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: Revolting cat!

The answer to a headache, like any other condition, is to remove the cause.

An aspirin can cost you your life under some conditions, and you have no way of knowing as you open the bottle, if that will be your last aspirin.


48 posted on 04/06/2013 4:23:14 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Yes, lets go back to the middle ages!

And since many mental illnesses are caused by a chemical imbalance, and have been considered diseases like other physical diseases....why don’t we just forget doctors and medicine for , oh, say, pneumonia, high blood pressure, diabetes...............
and oh, lets not let the worthless docs get near an inflamed appendix and operate...Let it just explode. Must be a demon exploding.


49 posted on 04/06/2013 4:25:13 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: editor-surveyor
Type 1 diabetes is a self rejection disorder that requires confession, and repentance of that self hatred. Insulin is a bandaid that will never bring healing.

I'm not trying to pick a fight, especially because i really like you. But if "insulin is a bandaid," then so are other medications. One cannot really pick and choose on which meds are "bandaids," right? Insulin bandaids keep people out of the grave. So can other medication bandaids.

Have you even seen any of the functional MRIs of the brains of people who have severe depressive disorder when the MRI is compared to a "normal" brain?

Have you ever seen someone who has vegetative depression because someone told them their faith wasn't strong enough so they quit taking their medication?

I'm not going to argue with you, but you are wrong. I just hope no one is influenced by your words. It could kill them.

50 posted on 04/06/2013 4:25:16 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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