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Rick Warren’s Son Commits Suicide
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Posted on 04/06/2013 2:20:59 PM PDT by Morgana

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To: kjam22

You obviously do not read the word, or if you do, you may have attention problems.


101 posted on 04/06/2013 5:19:33 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Dude... you belong to a cult.


102 posted on 04/06/2013 5:19:54 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: editor-surveyor

Why wasn’t the Apostle Paul’s affirmity healed?


103 posted on 04/06/2013 5:20:58 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: Bratch

I don’t worry about Obamacare.

The only times I go to doctors is when it is required by law for me to enter a job site.


104 posted on 04/06/2013 5:20:59 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
No, the healing is 100% physical. It comes when we take responsibility for our spiritual state. Works based physical healing?
105 posted on 04/06/2013 5:22:23 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Priests and pastors are no different than anyone else.

There will be plenty of priests and pastors that get to hear “I never knew you.”

Sanctification heals, not priests or pastors. Sanctification is a personal issue. There is no one between you and God but Yeshua.


106 posted on 04/06/2013 5:24:48 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

I’m 53 years old. I’ve been in church all of my life. Teach etc. I’ve been on dozens of theology blogs etc. In all my years... you are the very first person who told me “by his stripes we are healed”... means we won’t get sick. So there you go... you got the record.


107 posted on 04/06/2013 5:27:14 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: Cyber Liberty

My heart goes out to him and my prayers are with him and his family. Losing a child is very, very painful, and even in the best circumstances there is the blame game, denial, and guilt to deal with. I pray that the Lord would hold them close and give them His strength, joy, love, hope, and peace - and an extra-real comprehension of what it means that Jesus conquered sin, death, and the devil.


108 posted on 04/06/2013 5:27:19 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: editor-surveyor
Anyone that has chronic disease has sanctification issues that need to be addressed. The path is first pray to be shown your sins, then confess and repent of them, then permanently remove them from your life. It can be a slow process for some, or a near instantaneous one for others.

I do not agree with you that a mortal can permanently rid himself of sin. There was only one perfect person who was without sin, and we hanged him on a cross. That is my belief, a belief that will not ever change, although I understand that you may not hold that same opinion.


Most think that recviting the “sinner’s prayer” does all that needs to be done. That simply is not so.

I'm sure that our personal beliefs about the plan of salvation must be very different, so again, I won't debate that with you (or anyone else here, for that matter).

109 posted on 04/06/2013 5:30:31 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: kjam22

I didn’t say that you won’t get sick; I said that we are healed by his stripes when we avail ourselves of it as offered in his word.

We all sin and sin brings disease. We have to constantly confess and repent, day by day, and moment by moment.


110 posted on 04/06/2013 5:31:03 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Morgana

People who kill themselves are either in pain or terribly self-focused. They don’t care how their act hurts others. It’s all about them.

I tried it when I was 17. It was stupid of me. It’s the ultimate act of self-worship. Yeah, I know they have no hope for the future. I was there. But I should have been looking for hope.

I knew someone who did it because he went off his meds and thought he wanted to hurt his family. Everyone thought it was noble but I thought it was more noble to stay on the meds.

I hurt for the family but I also have anger for the son.


111 posted on 04/06/2013 5:31:42 PM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: Nita Nupress

>> “I do not agree with you that a mortal can permanently rid himself of sin” <<

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You’re reading something that isn’t there!

This is a day by day thing, as we do have a sinful nature that cannot go away until we are made incorruptible at his return.

We have to stick with it constantly.


112 posted on 04/06/2013 5:34:07 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: kjam22

>> “Works based physical healing?” <<

No, sin based confession and repentance.


113 posted on 04/06/2013 5:35:38 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
Dude... you're talking about works based physical healing. It's all based on whether or not you confess, repent, and are forgiven of your spiritual sins.... moment by moment. It's about what you do according to your own plan. wow....

Seriously... you should read the book of Romans a few times. Read it REAL slowly. :) Have a nice evening!

114 posted on 04/06/2013 5:36:09 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: AppyPappy

>> “I hurt for the family but I also have anger for the son.” <<

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Yes, it likely was an act of revenge in a twisted way.


115 posted on 04/06/2013 5:37:49 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
This is a day by day thing, as we do have a sinful nature that cannot go away until we are made incorruptible at his return. We have to stick with it constantly.

Finally! Something we can agree on!

116 posted on 04/06/2013 5:38:42 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Truth2012; Cyber Liberty

“I can’t stand Rick Warren, but I am sorry to hear of this loss.”

I don’t even know the guy myself only that he’s some Protestant preacher. Have no idea what he is famous for preaching. I do know that suicide touches every member of the family and can’t help but wonder if they did not see any warning signs.


117 posted on 04/06/2013 5:39:18 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: kjam22

So now confession of sin has become works?

You are incredibly confused.

Try 1John 1:9 again, huh?


118 posted on 04/06/2013 5:39:47 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Morgana

Just saw this on the news a few minutes ago. Very sad development... many prayers up for strength and comfort for the Warren family. Nothing compares to the earth-shattering heartbreak of losing a child.


119 posted on 04/06/2013 5:41:23 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: Nita Nupress

>> “Finally! Something we can agree on!” <<

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I’m kind of foggy on just what we disagree on.


120 posted on 04/06/2013 5:41:23 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

You’re not confessing sin for salvation. For your spiritual self. You’re confessing sin so you won’t get sick? Dude... are you serious? Answer my question... why wasn’t the Apostle Paul healed of his infirmity? He could heal others. He worked miracles. He was with the other apostles who healed others and worked miracles. Yet he suffered “sickness” his entire life. Why?


121 posted on 04/06/2013 5:42:23 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: ScottinVA

>> “Nothing compares to the earth-shattering heartbreak of losing a child.” <<

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Let’s hope that this leads them to Yeshua.


122 posted on 04/06/2013 5:42:44 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: kjam22

>> “You’re confessing sin so you won’t get sick?” <<

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No, you’re already sick. Confess and repent to be healed!

Sin brings disease, and will do so until we either die, or Yeshua returns, and “we know as we are known.”


123 posted on 04/06/2013 5:45:45 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

We all pray for good health. But we also (well most of us) realize that our physical self, our physical fallen self will not be restored until God raises us physically anew.


124 posted on 04/06/2013 5:47:28 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: kjam22

>> “ why wasn’t the Apostle Paul healed of his infirmity?” <<

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You’ll have to read Romans 7 again for the answer to that question.


125 posted on 04/06/2013 5:48:13 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

So when do you plan on answering my question about Paul? It’s a simple question. Why wasn’t he healed of his affirmity?


126 posted on 04/06/2013 5:48:42 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: editor-surveyor

Since you know it.. go ahead and tell me...


127 posted on 04/06/2013 5:49:23 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: kjam22

>> “But we also (well most of us) realize that our physical self, our physical fallen self will not be restored until God raises us physically anew.” <<

Stop the apples and oranges stuff!

Our sin nature will remain until we are made incorruptible, but our physical health is dependant on daily sanctification for that very reason.


128 posted on 04/06/2013 5:51:07 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: AppyPappy

“People who kill themselves are either in pain or terribly self-focused”

I am going to take Very much in pain for $500.

In fact mental illness like this goes so far down the rabbit hole that I don’t think it ever reaches the bottom with out hitting death in some cases.

To make matters worse the drugs they use to treat it often just make the person worse rather than better. I really don’t like anti depressent drugs and the way some docs pass them out like Pez. Yes I agree there are some that need medical treatment and we just can’t say to these people “you need Jesus” yes they need Jesus but they also need medial treatment in some cases. Mental illness is not cut and dry, and if not handled correctly you get what we have here.


129 posted on 04/06/2013 5:52:19 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: editor-surveyor

You know... I apologize if I’ve argued to “aggressively”. You have a nice evening... We’ll have to agree to disagree on the topic. Take it easy!


130 posted on 04/06/2013 5:55:13 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: Truth2012
The fact that Rick lists doing everything for his son, other than talking to him about Jesus- shows that this man is a hypocrite.

How do you know that he wasn't talking to him about Jesus? Really, this condemnation of a man who has just lost a child and whose soul we really cannot know is very distasteful. It would be distasteful even if it happened to an atheist.

131 posted on 04/06/2013 5:56:12 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Commies out of D.C.!" --Raoul Deming, 1955-2013)
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To: kjam22

I’d much rather find a way to get you to see what I see (not to win an argument).


132 posted on 04/06/2013 5:59:02 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
Anyone that has chronic disease has sanctification issues that need to be addressed.

You're being awfully harsh on people who were damaged by childhood abuse, severe trauma in adulthood such as rape or beatings, or are combat veterans, for just three examples off the top of my head. It's easier to convince people that God's love is the answer if you demonstrate it, rather than sound like the Church Lady.

133 posted on 04/06/2013 6:00:43 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Commies out of D.C.!" --Raoul Deming, 1955-2013)
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To: Albion Wilde

>> “You’re being awfully harsh on people who were damaged by childhood abuse, severe trauma in adulthood such as rape or beatings, or are combat veterans, for just three examples off the top of my head” <<

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But that abuse is part of the problem; it leads to self hatred, which leads to so-called autoimmune diseases, which are healed by confessing that self hatred and it’s cause.

If we want his healing we have to do it his way; roll your own just doesn’t work.


134 posted on 04/06/2013 6:05:26 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

could very well be.


135 posted on 04/06/2013 6:09:47 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Albion Wilde; Recovering Ex-hippie; kjam22
Really, this condemnation of a man who has just lost a child and whose soul we really cannot know is very distasteful. It would be distasteful even if it happened to an atheist.

This is what FR has become. It was always like that a little bit, but no more than you see it in the general population.

One of these days I'm going to post a thread entitled,
"Church-going Homosexual With Schizophrenia Who Stopped Taking His Zyprexa & Abilify Wants Forgiveness & Salvation, But He Thinks He's God. What Should I Tell Him?!"

Then I'm gonna go pop some popcorn.

136 posted on 04/06/2013 6:14:48 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: evangmlw; Nita Nupress

Evangmlw-—thanks for a reasoned and articulate post. I agree with you that we are both physical and spiritual beings, and that prayer can heal. I also believe that God gave us medical healers ( many of whom are good and faithful Christians who have been blessed with gifts from God). Many of the modern medicines originally came from natural plants, etc in our environment.

Addiction is one area where spirituality is a definite need for healing. Medical attention may help, but the individual rarely can overcome this illness without turning to God for help. Even the psychiatrist, Carl Jung commented to one suffering addict, that in these extreme cases “only a spiritual intervention can help.”


137 posted on 04/06/2013 6:15:25 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: Lee N. Field

You are so right....the family is very effected and often become “ill” with exhaustion, stress, or physical problems themselves. Autism and alzheimer’s is are also physical illness that affect the social and family areas.

It is cruel to somehow tell these families that it is their inadequacy that contributes when they are really struggling with a difficult family problem.


138 posted on 04/06/2013 6:19:26 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: Nita Nupress

You are wicked! ha. LOL!

I often post my response to a) support those who are struggling with mental illness b) have a balanced discussion

I firmly believe that illnesses can benefit from BOTH medical help AND prayer.


139 posted on 04/06/2013 6:22:27 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: mardi59
but suicide is a sin. You cannot repent after death.

We don't know what was in his mind as he breathed his last. He could have repented of his action, though it was too late to do anything about it.

I am of the belief that those who decide to take their own lives are not working with their full faculties, therefore I don't believe God would damn them fully for their actions. I believe in the idea of Purgatory, because I believe in a Merciful God. Some, at death, are not in full communion with the Lord, and are not prepared to look upon Him in His Glory. We, who still live, are encouraged to pray for those who might be in that state, needing to be cleansed of some minor sins, or even some major ones for which they hadn't fully repented. We pray for them to be cleansed so that they can, at last, be welcomed into the sight of God, and be able to look on Him.

140 posted on 04/06/2013 6:24:12 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Hot Tabasco

“chemical imbalance” sells a lot of little pills for the Big Pharma, but it’s not necessarily the cause of depression by defecating teenage daughters. And the Big Pharma along with the Psychology Industry have made certain it is an article of faith among the uncultured, gullible public. When I went out an hour ago and bought a jar of gefelte fish on sale at the supermarket, that was c aused by a chemical reaction in the brain, true. But if mental health is a “chemical imbalance” then everything we do and think is as well. Chemical imbalance happens when an illegal immigrant factory worker pees into a batch of tabasco sauce as a revenge against la migra!


141 posted on 04/06/2013 6:26:31 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Nita Nupress

142 posted on 04/06/2013 6:26:55 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: Albion Wilde

If you knew about Rick’s teaching you would know who he is- also where in the statement did he talk about Jesus?

I know how to read.

The Bible says to judge what is wrong... and false teachings. If that offends you, that is about you, not me.

I never said that it was not sad. We can pray all we want for atheists and feel terrible about it, but that isn’t going to save them.


143 posted on 04/06/2013 6:30:23 PM PDT by Truth2012
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To: Morgana
I do know that suicide touches every member of the family and can’t help but wonder if they did not see any warning signs.

I heard on the news that this son has suffered from depression for years and has previously tried suicide. In most cases, and especially this one, if a chronically-suicidal person makes up his mind to do it, there is NOTHING anyone can do to stop it. Eventually, he will be successful. It is heart-wrenching for family members and friends who try to help but cannot.

Public speculation that comes anywhere close to insinuating that someone could/should have "seen the warning signs so they could stop it" are extremely hurtful to this man's family, as well as anyone reading it who is a suicide survivor (family member/friend).

Just so you know.

144 posted on 04/06/2013 6:31:05 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Prayer is great, but God doesn’t rule by democracy- and he doesn’t answer the prayers of people who don’t follow Him.

He isn’t an ATM.


145 posted on 04/06/2013 6:32:51 PM PDT by Truth2012
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To: Truth2012

We are all sinners..and if we make the effort to follow Christ, Christ has mercy and His grace will help us to make the changes we need to make.

A lot of times people who do these “Fox hole” prayers , eventually come around and are pulled—attracted to the Christian way.


146 posted on 04/06/2013 6:39:23 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: editor-surveyor
But that abuse is part of the problem; it leads to self hatred, which leads to so-called autoimmune diseases, which are healed by confessing that self hatred and it’s cause.

OK; now we're getting somewhere. Earlier you posted that it might take some people a long time. So what if someone kills him or herself before the lengthy time required for healing their individual sin is enough to keep them from accomplishing it on earth? Would God condemn their soul? I just don't think it's necessarily so, and I'm speaking as one who has experienced four friends who took this route. Trust me when I tell you, I have been over and over these deaths and the spiritual issues again and again for decades.

Yes, God and surrender to faith can heal. But no, we just can't say that the person who wasn't "done yet" when he took his/her life to end the pain has utterly failed spiritually; or that this is a black-and-white matter like a light switch.

Judgment is mine, saith the Lord.

147 posted on 04/06/2013 6:40:21 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Commies out of D.C.!" --Raoul Deming, 1955-2013)
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To: Nita Nupress
This is what FR has become. It was always like that a little bit, but no more than you see it in the general population.

Ain't it the sad truth. Good thing he wasn't a *gasp* Mormon! Then they'd really be crawling out of the woodwork.

148 posted on 04/06/2013 6:42:52 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Commies out of D.C.!" --Raoul Deming, 1955-2013)
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To: Albion Wilde
Good thing he wasn't a *gasp* Mormon!

Thread hijack attempt ALERT!

149 posted on 04/06/2013 6:45:14 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Oh exactly- I agree. We are told to expect that we will be brought to our knees and cry out to God. I agree.

But the people who mouth prayers- and pay no respect to the teachings of Jesus, are simply paying lip service.

Rick Warren, for example, can pray for whatever he wants to pray for- but those prayers are going to fall flat.

Know why?

Because he blasphemes the Lord all of the time- while he spreads false hope and teachings and reaps huge praise and benefits.

The Lord is not mocked.

And I pray Rick Warren repents and falls to his knees and cries out- to the Lord and repents and turns toward God.

And God will hear him and forgive him. No doubt. But he has to take the steps everyone else has to take.

I am not going to lie about it.


150 posted on 04/06/2013 6:45:32 PM PDT by Truth2012
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