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Posted on 04/06/2013 2:20:59 PM PDT by Morgana
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A big hearty AMEN to that!
ROFLOL! Yum, yum!
I am so not a fan of rick Warren...I have my suspicians when people make a lot of money on preaching...not all of them...but his Media Ego was so over the top.
having said that, maybe God uses people in a way that I can’t fathom...so I try to leave it up to God (even though I do rant on about it.ha)
We are just so brilliant...now all we have to do is work on our humility.ha.
yes. I understand what you mean. I am picking up what you are laying down. :)
As for your witness, try compassion; it feels better for both the giver and the receiver. Without it, you can hardly expect someone to judge you "salt and light." Salt, maybe; but where's your light of mercy?
“I heard on the news that this son has suffered from depression for years and has previously tried suicide”
The more a person tries the chances are they will become successful at committing suicide. I want to say this family should have been more on guard but that is more easily said than done.
Thread hijack attempt ALERT!
LOL! I refuse to enter a Mormon war thread. Ever!
Speaking of that... is there any way to make religious threads be blocked from appearing on your Latest Posts page? It's annoying just having to read the titles sometimes.
“But the people who mouth prayers- and pay no respect to the teachings of Jesus, are simply paying lip service.
Rick Warren, for example, can pray for whatever he wants to pray for- but those prayers are going to fall flat.
Because he blasphemes the Lord all of the time- while he spreads false hope and teachings and reaps huge praise and benefits.
The Lord is not mocked.
And I pray Rick Warren repents and falls to his knees and cries out- to the Lord and repents and turns toward God.”
I really don’t know who Rick is so would someone give me the background on him? I have noticed several FReepers weight in a dislike for him as a preacher. What exactly is the deal? Thanks.
This story just goes to show once again, you can't be born a Christian. You must be born again. We have no idea what was really going on with any of these people, but God knows. And He will comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable.
my understanding is that he suffered from mental illness/depression for years.
Oh that hurts so. We have a grandson 14 years old that has twice attempted suicide.It pains the very core of your heart.
Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy for the sin of despair committed by Thy servant Matthew and lead his soul to heaven.
In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, amen.
Being a Christian has nothing to do with being mentally ill. Mental illness is in fact a real illness and needs real medical treatment. I firmly believe people who say “he just needed “Jesus” or “to be born again” have no clue how bad a mental illness is or can get.
Let me put it to you this way, the mind is far gone the person can not comprehend Jesus or what it really means to be “born again”. I have seen this.
I would suggest you spend some time reading scripture.
Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Hebrew 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
ALL believers have been sanctified
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and take that as what I hope you're saying. Because you can't put a grown-ass man in a straight-jacket for the rest of his life. This is a free-choice world we live in.
Besides, how do we know someone WASN'T "on guard" when it happened? I've seen cases of suicide when someone was on constant, non-stop, 1 to 1 close supervision. If a person makes up his mind he wants to make The Final Exit, he eventually does. Period.
Unless, of course, you put him in a straight-jacket, change his diaper occasionally, and feed him by mouth 3 times a day. But then you may get charged with kidnapping, false imprisonment, and assault. :-)
So it would be your position that no true Christian will ever be sick?
So.... lets say you fell tomorrow and suffered a compound fracture of your arm. You wouldn’t go to a doctor? Or had a bulge in your abdomen that was obviously a hernia. You wouldn’t go to a doctor to get it fixed?
God gave us his son, Yeshua, and thereby repentance and forgiveness of sin.
Ephesians 4:11 says And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers but nowhere does he say that he gave us doctors, or drugs.
Our dear friend Luke, the doctor, and Demas send greetings.
Rick Warren is a Mega Pastor who believes he has the authority to start a new reformation in the church and has introduced pagan teachings, and mystic - new age ideas into the church- as well as a business model to actually chase faith Christians out of their churches. It is a business model that puts into practice things he learned from Peter Drucker. He has made a ton of money and his goal is the change the world, by uniting Christians and Muslims into a one world religion called Christlam. Because his business models make a lot of money, he has been exalted as this fantastic preacher of God’s word.. except- he doesn’t talk about God’s word and he leads people astray and actually chases people out of the churches, who have faith in Jesus. He is also instrumental in a movement called the Emergent church- which is another Anti-Jesus movement in church.
“Because you can’t put a grown-ass man in a straight-jacket for the rest of his life. This is a free-choice world we live in. “
Once upon a time in America you could. Not the straight jacket but in a nervous hospital and for life if necessary. However the democrats said this was “cruel” which translates as “we don’t want to spend money on them. Now they do this ie commit suicide which gets them off the democrats hands or they live homeless in the streets. In fact the majority of homeless in some form or another.
So yes if he had to be in a nervous hospital for the rest of his life it would have been for his own good. He would still be alive.
That is a good point. How will Obamacare affect a Christian Scientist’s views or choice on not needing a doctor? Will Obamacare force this upon someone when their religion prohibits it?
It seems there a quite a few judgemental christians on freerepublic and they judge without any real knowledge...I remember someone saying "judge not least you be judged". And you gave a perfect example of insulin for diabetics...As a nurse I have seen those that did not take it serious until they had to have a foot or leg amputated...
It makes some people feel better about themselves when they denigrate others. Sometimes i wonder if they're bullies in real-life, 'cause the behavior is very similar.
Great ideer, let me know if you find a way to do it!
There are general categories of suicide :
Medically Assisted Suicide - I’ve never seen this as being acceptable. The doctor is supposed to save life, not destroy it. But, lately as destroying the lives of the unborn is more common place, destroying the lives of the sick has become the next logical step.
Suicide to prevent prolonged torture - Let’s say that someone was being tortured in an excruciating manner for an unbearably long period of time, is suicide an option? Perhaps. But if it were in this situation, why wouldn’t it be all right in the medically-assisted context if the patient were also in excruciating pain for long periods of time? Quite honestly, I’m not sure how to answer that one.
Suicide due to depression - Of course, this is never a good reason for suicide. Seasons pass and so does depression. The one who is depressed needs to look to Jesus and get help. Depression is real and powerful and is best fought with help. Also, severe depression robs the mind of clear thinking. People in such states are despondent, not in their right mind.
Suicide due to a chemical imbalance in the brain - The human brain is incredibly complex and the medical community is full of accounts of extraordinary behaviors by people whose “circuits got crossed.” I don’t see how a situation like this would make it justifiable. I think it simply would make it more explainable.
Accidental suicide - Sometimes people accidentally kill themselves. This could mean leaning over a balcony too far and falling to one’s death, or actually, purposefully taking a stupid risk like playing with a gun. Of course, with either, stupidity does not remove us from the grace of God.
The question to ask then is this — What if a Christian commits suicide, does he lose salvation?
If the answer is yes, then this would have the following implication -— If Jesus bore that person’s sins on the cross 2000 years ago, and if suicide was not covered, then the Christian was never saved in the first place and the one sin of suicide is able to undo the entire work of the cross of Christ.
Can this be true?
Our dear friend Luke was no doctor after he found his savior.
>> “So it would be your position that no true Christian will ever be sick?” <<
Had you read my posts you would not have asked this absurd question.
Most Christians are very sick, and mostly because they go to doctors, and take deadly poisonous man made drugs, and trust in men rather than Yeshua.
Chapter and verse, please? "Our dear friend Luke the doctor", and "send you greetings" seems to me to be written in the present tense.
>> “So.... lets say you fell tomorrow and suffered a compound fracture of your arm. You wouldnt go to a doctor?” <<
About 41 years ago, when I was in high school, I fractured my left femur when I smashed into a goal post hard enough to split the redwood 6x6 and take the whole thing down to the ground.
I refused to allow the doc to cast it because I would not have been allowed to remain on the wrestling team. It healed fine in about ten days.
The need for medical assistance is grossly exaggerated.
WE definitely should, because they have no healing to offer, but just life long dependance on the adversarys answer to disease.
Here's the thing, I have type 1 diabetes and insulin shots have kept me alive for the last 8 years. What's your advice for me? Should I stop taking insulin and pray my pancreas' inability to produce natural insulin goes away? Hey, I know, why don't I just grow some new beta cells? Should I just die to fulfill God's plan? What do you got?
So you’re saying that prayer can reverse autoimmune dysfunction? Call me skeptical.
“Pernicious anemia, which is an autoimmune disease in which parietal cells of the stomach responsible for secreting intrinsic factor are destroyed. Intrinsic factor is crucial for the normal absorption of B12, so a lack of intrinsic factor, as seen in pernicious anemia, causes a vitamin B12 deficiency.”
Or are you saying that prayer causes glycoprotein produced by the parietal cells of the stomach, so that mostly women who do not produce enough glycoprotein haven’t prayed enough?
>> “Just MHO but I do think there is a legitimate place for doctors in addition to prayer and the full acceptance of God’s faithfulness.” <<
What use is there for doctors when we have full healing at our disposal for doing what we have to do anyway to have eternal life?
Doctors cause more illness than they can allieviate. They prescribe deadly drugs like blood pressure meds and statins that greatly shorten life, as a routine event. Blood pressure is safely and effectively controlled by just eating a proper diet, and statins have no legitimate purpose at all, since the LDLs are actually produced by your liver to save your life. You would bleed to death through your blood vessels without them.
Call yourself skeptical.
This is a kind of healing that is well documented, but if you wish not to believe that is your right. You might just take a look at what Be In Health ministries has routinely accomplished before you turn on your skepticator.
Sorry, I’ve met some healing witches in South America, and they come across as far more professional than American snake-handling shaman. Generally better results, too.
>> “Or are you saying that prayer causes glycoprotein produced by the parietal cells of the stomach, so that mostly women who do not produce enough glycoprotein havent prayed enough?” <<
I trust that you understand the term “strawman?”
Who said anything about quantities of prayer?
All autoimmune diseases are rooted in self rejection and fear. Asthma, Lupus, and pernicious anemia would fall into that group. If you confess the cause, and repent of the sins of fear and self hatred you are elligible for the body of Yeshua, which heals our diseases.
Its not about who is praying, nor how long; its about achieving that elusive sanctification through the confession and repentance of shuch sins as may be in the way... Or not.
They’re not bullies. They are “tares”. Jesus’ parable in Matthew 13.
You accuse Luke based on one probably poorly translated verse?
Not much basis there.
The book editor-surveyor is recommending, A More Excellent Way, is LDS.
>> “The book editor-surveyor is recommending, A More Excellent Way, is LDS” <<
That is a lie from the pit of hell! Be In Health is a Southern Pentecostal group mostly, although thousands of people that have been healed have joined up with them since they began.
I assumed Editor-surveyor was Christian Scientist. Who knows.....
Do not accuse another Freeper of telling a lie, it attributes motive, the intent to deceive. It is "making it personal."
Words such as "wrong" "error" "false" do not attribute motive.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
It's like the old joke with the guy drowning in the ocean. He prays "GOD, please save me! Work a miracle". Not long after a boat comes by... and he says "I don't need your help, God will save me". Later another boat comes by and he says "don't need your help, God will save me"... not long after a helicopter flies over and he says "don't need your help, God will save me". He drowns. When he gets to heaven he asks God why he wasn't saved, and God tells him "gee.. I sent you two boats and a helicopter".
It’s not a “lie from the pit of hell”. How extreme you are! If you check Amazon, there is more than one book entitled, “A More Excellent Way”, there are 6 in fact. My apologies for not going to your link.
Hey, now that you’re here... Is there any way i can rig my preferences to block religion threads from showing on my Latest Posts page?
If you do not wish to see Religion Forum posts, do NOT use the “everything” option on the Free Republic browse option list. Instead, browse by “News/Activism.” When you log back in, the browse will reset to “everything” - so be sure to set it back to “News/Activism.”
I read each thread today regarding Rick and Kay’s son...and while some of you were very kind and caring, I’ve got to say it was a disappointment to read other comments.
I don’t agree with the man’s teachings, either, but what seemed to be lost today is....a father and mother are going to bury their son. Think on that, please, and post accordingly.
Perhaps a bit of compassion for THAT would be nice???