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Rick Warren’s Son Commits Suicide
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Posted on 04/06/2013 2:20:59 PM PDT by Morgana

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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
I firmly believe that illnesses can benefit from BOTH medical help AND prayer.

A big hearty AMEN to that!

151 posted on 04/06/2013 6:46:58 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: kjam22

ROFLOL! Yum, yum!


152 posted on 04/06/2013 6:48:55 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Truth2012

I am so not a fan of rick Warren...I have my suspicians when people make a lot of money on preaching...not all of them...but his Media Ego was so over the top.

having said that, maybe God uses people in a way that I can’t fathom...so I try to leave it up to God (even though I do rant on about it.ha)


153 posted on 04/06/2013 6:49:44 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: Nita Nupress

We are just so brilliant...now all we have to do is work on our humility.ha.


154 posted on 04/06/2013 6:50:47 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

yes. I understand what you mean. I am picking up what you are laying down. :)


155 posted on 04/06/2013 6:50:58 PM PDT by Truth2012
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To: Truth2012
Well, aren't you special. I know very well who Rick is and have not been impressed by his dog-and-pony show; but it's when God hits us with the two-by-four across the haid that most of us finally give in --so why pile on when the man is as low as a parent can be? It might be the way for him to finally surrender the last vestiges of pride and sin.

As for your witness, try compassion; it feels better for both the giver and the receiver. Without it, you can hardly expect someone to judge you "salt and light." Salt, maybe; but where's your light of mercy?

156 posted on 04/06/2013 6:51:24 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Commies out of D.C.!" --Raoul Deming, 1955-2013)
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To: Nita Nupress

“I heard on the news that this son has suffered from depression for years and has previously tried suicide”

The more a person tries the chances are they will become successful at committing suicide. I want to say this family should have been more on guard but that is more easily said than done.


157 posted on 04/06/2013 6:53:33 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Revolting cat!; Albion Wilde
Good thing he wasn't a *gasp* Mormon!

Thread hijack attempt ALERT!

LOL! I refuse to enter a Mormon war thread. Ever!

Speaking of that... is there any way to make religious threads be blocked from appearing on your Latest Posts page? It's annoying just having to read the titles sometimes.

158 posted on 04/06/2013 6:55:23 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Truth2012; All; anyone; SOMEONE

“But the people who mouth prayers- and pay no respect to the teachings of Jesus, are simply paying lip service.

Rick Warren, for example, can pray for whatever he wants to pray for- but those prayers are going to fall flat.

Know why?

Because he blasphemes the Lord all of the time- while he spreads false hope and teachings and reaps huge praise and benefits.

The Lord is not mocked.

And I pray Rick Warren repents and falls to his knees and cries out- to the Lord and repents and turns toward God.”

I really don’t know who Rick is so would someone give me the background on him? I have noticed several FReepers weight in a dislike for him as a preacher. What exactly is the deal? Thanks.


159 posted on 04/06/2013 6:56:46 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana
I want to say this family should have been more on guard but that is more easily said than done.

This story just goes to show once again, you can't be born a Christian. You must be born again. We have no idea what was really going on with any of these people, but God knows. And He will comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable.

160 posted on 04/06/2013 6:56:57 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Commies out of D.C.!" --Raoul Deming, 1955-2013)
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To: ScottinVA

my understanding is that he suffered from mental illness/depression for years.

Oh that hurts so. We have a grandson 14 years old that has twice attempted suicide.It pains the very core of your heart.


161 posted on 04/06/2013 6:58:36 PM PDT by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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To: Morgana

Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy for the sin of despair committed by Thy servant Matthew and lead his soul to heaven.

In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, amen.


162 posted on 04/06/2013 7:00:17 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Albion Wilde

Being a Christian has nothing to do with being mentally ill. Mental illness is in fact a real illness and needs real medical treatment. I firmly believe people who say “he just needed “Jesus” or “to be born again” have no clue how bad a mental illness is or can get.

Let me put it to you this way, the mind is far gone the person can not comprehend Jesus or what it really means to be “born again”. I have seen this.


163 posted on 04/06/2013 7:03:11 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: editor-surveyor; Nita Nupress
>>Very few professing Christians have achieved sanctification.<<

I would suggest you spend some time reading scripture.

Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Hebrew 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

ALL believers have been sanctified

164 posted on 04/06/2013 7:07:36 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. 1 Corinthians 2:2)
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To: Morgana
I want to say this family should have been more on guard but that is more easily said than done.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and take that as what I hope you're saying. Because you can't put a grown-ass man in a straight-jacket for the rest of his life. This is a free-choice world we live in.

Besides, how do we know someone WASN'T "on guard" when it happened? I've seen cases of suicide when someone was on constant, non-stop, 1 to 1 close supervision. If a person makes up his mind he wants to make The Final Exit, he eventually does. Period.

Unless, of course, you put him in a straight-jacket, change his diaper occasionally, and feed him by mouth 3 times a day. But then you may get charged with kidnapping, false imprisonment, and assault. :-)

165 posted on 04/06/2013 7:07:37 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: editor-surveyor
>>Do the words “by his stripes we are healed” mean anything to you? He truly does offer complete healing to those that will accept it in the way that it is offered.<<

So it would be your position that no true Christian will ever be sick?

166 posted on 04/06/2013 7:10:21 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. 1 Corinthians 2:2)
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To: editor-surveyor

So.... lets say you fell tomorrow and suffered a compound fracture of your arm. You wouldn’t go to a doctor? Or had a bulge in your abdomen that was obviously a hernia. You wouldn’t go to a doctor to get it fixed?


167 posted on 04/06/2013 7:16:55 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: editor-surveyor
Absolutely not!

God gave us his son, Yeshua, and thereby repentance and forgiveness of sin.

Ephesians 4:11 says “And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers” but nowhere does he say that he gave us doctors, or drugs.

Our dear friend Luke, the doctor, and Demas send greetings.

Cordially,

168 posted on 04/06/2013 7:19:25 PM PDT by Diamond (He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people,)
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To: Morgana

Rick Warren is a Mega Pastor who believes he has the authority to start a new reformation in the church and has introduced pagan teachings, and mystic - new age ideas into the church- as well as a business model to actually chase faith Christians out of their churches. It is a business model that puts into practice things he learned from Peter Drucker. He has made a ton of money and his goal is the change the world, by uniting Christians and Muslims into a one world religion called Christlam. Because his business models make a lot of money, he has been exalted as this fantastic preacher of God’s word.. except- he doesn’t talk about God’s word and he leads people astray and actually chases people out of the churches, who have faith in Jesus. He is also instrumental in a movement called the Emergent church- which is another Anti-Jesus movement in church.


169 posted on 04/06/2013 7:23:28 PM PDT by Truth2012
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To: Nita Nupress

“Because you can’t put a grown-ass man in a straight-jacket for the rest of his life. This is a free-choice world we live in. “

Once upon a time in America you could. Not the straight jacket but in a nervous hospital and for life if necessary. However the democrats said this was “cruel” which translates as “we don’t want to spend money on them. Now they do this ie commit suicide which gets them off the democrats hands or they live homeless in the streets. In fact the majority of homeless in some form or another.

So yes if he had to be in a nervous hospital for the rest of his life it would have been for his own good. He would still be alive.


170 posted on 04/06/2013 7:32:06 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: editor-surveyor

That is a good point. How will Obamacare affect a Christian Scientist’s views or choice on not needing a doctor? Will Obamacare force this upon someone when their religion prohibits it?


171 posted on 04/06/2013 7:38:05 PM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: Nita Nupress
The proper medication helps. So much can go wrong with the brain, we don't understand yet...the old "the devil made me do it" is stupid. People fear mental illness because it causes the person to act "different"....there are times when prayer doesn't help. I'd take a good doctor and medication over nothing but praying any day of the week...

It seems there a quite a few judgemental christians on freerepublic and they judge without any real knowledge...I remember someone saying "judge not least you be judged". And you gave a perfect example of insulin for diabetics...As a nurse I have seen those that did not take it serious until they had to have a foot or leg amputated...

172 posted on 04/06/2013 7:45:39 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: goat granny
It seems there a quite a few judgemental christians on freerepublic and they judge without any real knowledge.

It makes some people feel better about themselves when they denigrate others. Sometimes i wonder if they're bullies in real-life, 'cause the behavior is very similar.

173 posted on 04/06/2013 7:52:23 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Nita Nupress
is there any way to make religious threads be blocked from appearing on your Latest Posts page?

Great ideer, let me know if you find a way to do it!

174 posted on 04/06/2013 7:54:28 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Morgana

There are general categories of suicide :

Medically Assisted Suicide - I’ve never seen this as being acceptable. The doctor is supposed to save life, not destroy it. But, lately as destroying the lives of the unborn is more common place, destroying the lives of the sick has become the next logical step.

Suicide to prevent prolonged torture - Let’s say that someone was being tortured in an excruciating manner for an unbearably long period of time, is suicide an option? Perhaps. But if it were in this situation, why wouldn’t it be all right in the medically-assisted context if the patient were also in excruciating pain for long periods of time? Quite honestly, I’m not sure how to answer that one.

Suicide due to depression - Of course, this is never a good reason for suicide. Seasons pass and so does depression. The one who is depressed needs to look to Jesus and get help. Depression is real and powerful and is best fought with help. Also, severe depression robs the mind of clear thinking. People in such states are despondent, not in their right mind.

Suicide due to a chemical imbalance in the brain - The human brain is incredibly complex and the medical community is full of accounts of extraordinary behaviors by people whose “circuits got crossed.” I don’t see how a situation like this would make it justifiable. I think it simply would make it more explainable.

Accidental suicide - Sometimes people accidentally kill themselves. This could mean leaning over a balcony too far and falling to one’s death, or actually, purposefully taking a stupid risk like playing with a gun. Of course, with either, stupidity does not remove us from the grace of God.

The question to ask then is this — What if a Christian commits suicide, does he lose salvation?

If the answer is yes, then this would have the following implication -— If Jesus bore that person’s sins on the cross 2000 years ago, and if suicide was not covered, then the Christian was never saved in the first place and the one sin of suicide is able to undo the entire work of the cross of Christ.

Can this be true?


175 posted on 04/06/2013 7:54:54 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: editor-surveyor
Just MHO but I do think there is a legitimate place for doctors in addition to prayer and the full acceptance of God's faithfulness.
But verse 5. from your quoted text has three parts, all of which are in the conjunctive. That means all three must be present for your conclusion to apply.
I don't think going to the dentist for a broken tooth or taking blood pressure medication or even medication for pain etc. means that the person trusts in man alone.
We live in a fallen world and will die in a fallen world.
Also, I have seen people delivered from demonic affliction and fully recover through spiritual warfare.
On the other hand I have seen people get well after medical treatment because of legitimate chemical imbalances and so forth.
When we get sick we pray for healing, whether it's us (me and wife) or one of the kids. But my 1 year old with Downs Syndrome doesn't have any sin issues to resolve at this point so I don't readily blame him when he gets a cold. We pray for him and often have to use a nebulizer with medication so he can breath.
I don't think that's wrong.
Just my opinion though.
176 posted on 04/06/2013 8:02:56 PM PDT by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: Revolting cat!
Great ideer, let me know if you find a way to do it!

Will do!

177 posted on 04/06/2013 8:05:58 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Diamond

Our dear friend Luke was no doctor after he found his savior.


178 posted on 04/06/2013 8:37:55 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: CynicalBear

>> “So it would be your position that no true Christian will ever be sick?” <<

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Had you read my posts you would not have asked this absurd question.

Most Christians are very sick, and mostly because they go to doctors, and take deadly poisonous man made drugs, and trust in men rather than Yeshua.


179 posted on 04/06/2013 8:41:40 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
Our dear friend Luke was no doctor after he found his savior.

Chapter and verse, please? "Our dear friend Luke the doctor", and "send you greetings" seems to me to be written in the present tense.

Cordially,

180 posted on 04/06/2013 8:46:17 PM PDT by Diamond (He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people,)
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To: bigdaddy45

>> “So.... lets say you fell tomorrow and suffered a compound fracture of your arm. You wouldn’t go to a doctor?” <<

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About 41 years ago, when I was in high school, I fractured my left femur when I smashed into a goal post hard enough to split the redwood 6x6 and take the whole thing down to the ground.

I refused to allow the doc to cast it because I would not have been allowed to remain on the wrestling team. It healed fine in about ten days.

The need for medical assistance is grossly exaggerated.


181 posted on 04/06/2013 8:51:49 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
“.why don’t we just forget doctors and medicine for , oh, say, pneumonia, high blood pressure, diabetes..”

WE definitely should, because they have no healing to offer, but just life long dependance on the adversary’s answer to disease.

Here's the thing, I have type 1 diabetes and insulin shots have kept me alive for the last 8 years. What's your advice for me? Should I stop taking insulin and pray my pancreas' inability to produce natural insulin goes away? Hey, I know, why don't I just grow some new beta cells? Should I just die to fulfill God's plan? What do you got?

182 posted on 04/06/2013 9:00:48 PM PDT by FreeFromWhat
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To: editor-surveyor

So you’re saying that prayer can reverse autoimmune dysfunction? Call me skeptical.

“Pernicious anemia, which is an autoimmune disease in which parietal cells of the stomach responsible for secreting intrinsic factor are destroyed. Intrinsic factor is crucial for the normal absorption of B12, so a lack of intrinsic factor, as seen in pernicious anemia, causes a vitamin B12 deficiency.”

Or are you saying that prayer causes glycoprotein produced by the parietal cells of the stomach, so that mostly women who do not produce enough glycoprotein haven’t prayed enough?


183 posted on 04/06/2013 9:01:38 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Clump

>> “Just MHO but I do think there is a legitimate place for doctors in addition to prayer and the full acceptance of God’s faithfulness.” <<

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What use is there for doctors when we have full healing at our disposal for doing what we have to do anyway to have eternal life?

Doctors cause more illness than they can allieviate. They prescribe deadly drugs like blood pressure meds and statins that greatly shorten life, as a routine event. Blood pressure is safely and effectively controlled by just eating a proper diet, and statins have no legitimate purpose at all, since the LDLs are actually produced by your liver to save your life. You would bleed to death through your blood vessels without them.


184 posted on 04/06/2013 9:01:50 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Call yourself skeptical.

This is a kind of healing that is well documented, but if you wish not to believe that is your right. You might just take a look at what Be In Health ministries has routinely accomplished before you turn on your skepticator.


185 posted on 04/06/2013 9:05:37 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Sorry, I’ve met some healing witches in South America, and they come across as far more professional than American snake-handling shaman. Generally better results, too.


186 posted on 04/06/2013 9:14:31 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

>> “Or are you saying that prayer causes glycoprotein produced by the parietal cells of the stomach, so that mostly women who do not produce enough glycoprotein haven’t prayed enough?” <<

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I trust that you understand the term “strawman?”

Who said anything about quantities of prayer?

All autoimmune diseases are rooted in self rejection and fear. Asthma, Lupus, and pernicious anemia would fall into that group. If you confess the cause, and repent of the sins of fear and self hatred you are elligible for the body of Yeshua, which heals our diseases.

Its not about who is praying, nor how long; its about achieving that elusive sanctification through the confession and repentance of shuch sins as may be in the way... Or not.


187 posted on 04/06/2013 9:14:56 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Your choice.


188 posted on 04/06/2013 9:15:52 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Nita Nupress

They’re not bullies. They are “tares”. Jesus’ parable in Matthew 13.


189 posted on 04/06/2013 9:24:20 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: Diamond

You accuse Luke based on one probably poorly translated verse?

Not much basis there.


190 posted on 04/06/2013 9:34:19 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: CynicalBear; editor-surveyor; kjam22; Nita Nupress

The book editor-surveyor is recommending, A More Excellent Way, is LDS.


191 posted on 04/06/2013 9:35:28 PM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (Gingrich or bust! (5/7/12, I guess it's bust.))
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To: My hearts in London - Everett; CynicalBear; kjam22; Nita Nupress

>> “The book editor-surveyor is recommending, A More Excellent Way, is LDS” <<

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That is a lie from the pit of hell! Be In Health is a Southern Pentecostal group mostly, although thousands of people that have been healed have joined up with them since they began.


192 posted on 04/06/2013 9:39:11 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

I assumed Editor-surveyor was Christian Scientist. Who knows.....


193 posted on 04/06/2013 9:39:40 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: editor-surveyor; My hearts in London - Everett
There are two different books of the same name, one pertains to healing and the other is a collection of LDS essays.

Do not accuse another Freeper of telling a lie, it attributes motive, the intent to deceive. It is "making it personal."

Words such as "wrong" "error" "false" do not attribute motive.

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

194 posted on 04/06/2013 9:45:31 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: editor-surveyor; Nita Nupress
There is a difference between "being healed" and believing that I shouldn't take an aspirin when I have a headache. Or I shouldn't have my appendix removed when it ruptures. Sometimes God works a miracle and heals people. Sometimes he uses doctors.

It's like the old joke with the guy drowning in the ocean. He prays "GOD, please save me! Work a miracle". Not long after a boat comes by... and he says "I don't need your help, God will save me". Later another boat comes by and he says "don't need your help, God will save me"... not long after a helicopter flies over and he says "don't need your help, God will save me". He drowns. When he gets to heaven he asks God why he wasn't saved, and God tells him "gee.. I sent you two boats and a helicopter".

195 posted on 04/06/2013 9:46:06 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: editor-surveyor

It’s not a “lie from the pit of hell”. How extreme you are! If you check Amazon, there is more than one book entitled, “A More Excellent Way”, there are 6 in fact. My apologies for not going to your link.


196 posted on 04/06/2013 9:48:30 PM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (Gingrich or bust! (5/7/12, I guess it's bust.))
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To: Religion Moderator

Hey, now that you’re here... Is there any way i can rig my preferences to block religion threads from showing on my Latest Posts page?


197 posted on 04/06/2013 10:07:42 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Nita Nupress

If you do not wish to see Religion Forum posts, do NOT use the “everything” option on the Free Republic browse option list. Instead, browse by “News/Activism.” When you log back in, the browse will reset to “everything” - so be sure to set it back to “News/Activism.”


198 posted on 04/06/2013 10:09:27 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator; Revolting cat!
If you do not wish to see Religion Forum posts, do NOT use the “everything” option on the Free Republic browse option list. Instead, browse by “News/Activism.” When you log back in, the browse will reset to “everything” - so be sure to set it back to “News/Activism.”

Thanks!

199 posted on 04/06/2013 10:35:44 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: y'all

I read each thread today regarding Rick and Kay’s son...and while some of you were very kind and caring, I’ve got to say it was a disappointment to read other comments.

I don’t agree with the man’s teachings, either, but what seemed to be lost today is....a father and mother are going to bury their son. Think on that, please, and post accordingly.

Perhaps a bit of compassion for THAT would be nice???


200 posted on 04/07/2013 1:28:13 AM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Psalm 83)
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