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Toronto Cardinal under fire after barring pro-homosexual priest from speaking in archdiocese
LifeSite ^ | Apr 10, 2013 | Patrick B. Craine

Posted on 04/11/2013 3:38:56 AM PDT by markomalley

The Archdiocese of Toronto is taking flak this week after barring a priest known for opposing Church teaching from speaking in the diocese.

Franciscan Fr. Michael Crosby, a self-styled reformer who calls for women’s ordination and acceptance of homosexuality, among other things, as part of a top-down overhaul of the Church, will be the speaker at the Canadian Forum on Theology and Education from April 22-23. He will offer seven talks over the two days.

The event was originally scheduled to take place at the office of the Dufferin-Peel Catholic District School Board, but has been moved to a non-Catholic venue in the Diocese of Hamilton after the Toronto Archdiocese said the event did not meet its protocol for talks by visiting clergy and laity, which requires that they be “theologically sound” and “support Catholic teaching on faith and morals.”

The forum, which has been organized annually for the last three decades, is explicit in its intention to challenge Church teaching. “The signs of crisis [in the Church] are evident,” reads its website. “It is felt in the ‘sex abuse scandal’, in the issues of women’s ordination, mandatory/optional celibacy, married clergy, and the questions these issues have raised about internal structures of authority and clerical culture.”

The website adds that the forum “will be an experience that helps teachers, chaplains, parents and priests learn how to respond to this challenge. Students’ concerns and distrust of ‘Catechism’ answers; teachers’ oft-unspoken questions; parents’ misgivings about their childrens’ faith and priests’ uncertainties about the content of pastoral letters and homilies are all grist to the mill at Forum.”

The forum is endorsed by the Ontario English Catholic Teachers Association (OECTA), which advertises it and is hosting a wine and cheese as part of the event. Organizer John Quinn says most of the attendees will be “teachers in Catholic schools.”

In a set of blog posts, Quinn accuses the Archdiocese of “suppressing healthy Catholic dialogue” and calls on Catholics to complain to Cardinal Thomas Collins.

He says the decision was “arbitrary” and amounts to the Archdiocese establishing an “Index of Forbidden Dialogue.” He complains that the Archdiocese’s protocol for visiting speakers has “absolutely no transparency,” with no explanation offered for the decision.

But Quinn also cites an email by Matthew Sanders, executive assistant to the Archdiocese’s Chancellor of Spiritual Affairs, which indicates that Fr. Crosby’s faculties to speak “were rescinded upon learning of the nature of the subjects he is coming to speak on.”

According to Quinn, Fr. Crosby was given permission to speak in a letter of Dec. 3rd, 2012, but that permission was later revoked.

Based on Quinn’s recounting of the events, it appears that in between the initial letter of permission and the revocation, Quinn had run afoul of the Archdiocese for organizing a meeting of priests in an effort to launch a Toronto chapter of the Detroit-based group Elephants in the Living Room. The organization is run by priests of the Detroit Archdiocese and is dedicated to Church "reforms" that diverge from Catholic teaching.

Quinn says he had tried to organize a meeting on Feb. 28th of priests from the Archdiocese of Toronto and the Dioceses of Hamilton, St. Catharines, and Peterborough with representatives of the Elephant group. But, he says, he received an e-mail on Feb. 21st from the Archdiocese of Toronto’s Chancellor of Spiritual Affairs, Rev. Ivan Camilleri, alerting him that the group is “not in good standing in the Archdiocese of Toronto,” and the office “in no way supports” the opening of a chapter in the Archdiocese.

The controversy was reported by the Toronto Star on Saturday in a story that appeared to paint the Archdiocese’s move as a denial of free speech.

“It’s not uncommon for Catholic clergy, laypeople and theologians to be denied platforms in Catholic institutions if their ideas do not conform to prescribed teaching — a practice some see as being at odds with societal values of free speech and open dialogue,” wrote journalist Leslie Scrivener.

But Archdiocesan spokesman Bill Steinburg insisted to LifeSiteNews that they are “not stifling free speech” and highlighted a quote he had given to the Toronto Star.

“For someone to officially represent the church (as a priest does), the presenter’s message must be consistent with the norms of the church, which are clearly spelled out,” Steinberg said.


TOPICS: Catholic
KEYWORDS: catholic
Good for Cardinal Collins!

The Toronto Star article referenced above is here.

1 posted on 04/11/2013 3:38:56 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

““It’s not uncommon for Catholic clergy, laypeople and theologians to be denied platforms in Catholic institutions if their ideas do not conform to prescribed teaching — a practice some see as being at odds with societal values of free speech and open dialogue,” wrote journalist Leslie Scrivener”

Dialog is easy on this issue, just kneel down and pray. See what God has to say about it.


2 posted on 04/11/2013 3:44:17 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: markomalley

Why isn’t the homosexual priest under fire...under fire by who? The media?


3 posted on 04/11/2013 3:52:33 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ( EVERY DIME Obama Spends is given to him by the Republicans in the House.)
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To: markomalley

Michael Crosby deserves the same treatment as Vernon Meyer (former militant homosexual priest who also went through the motions of ordaining womyn priests) - excommunication.


4 posted on 04/11/2013 3:59:39 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: markomalley

Why is this clown still a priest?

Why hasn’t he been defrocked or whatever it takes to make him like everyone else and have to go out and get a job instead of living off the Church he wants to destroy.


5 posted on 04/11/2013 4:17:07 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Venturer

Did you notice that the article said this event was attended mostly by Catholic school teachers? That’s the problem the bishop has got to address now.


6 posted on 04/11/2013 4:40:24 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius

I am old. When I went to Catholic school they had Nuns.

Today I see no advantage to Catholic schools other than better discipline, because they can expell trouble makers.

The Catholic High School closest to me has tuition rates of $11,000 dollars a semester, which means not many families can afford Catholic school.

To me Bishops have a lot of problems to address.Probabaly the most important is to keep their Priests and Nuns in line with Catholic teachings.If the Priests and Nuns are failing in their beliefs, how can they expect much
from their lay people.


7 posted on 04/11/2013 4:50:33 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: markomalley
Based on Quinn’s recounting of the events, it appears that in between the initial letter of permission and the revocation, Quinn had run afoul of the Archdiocese for organizing a meeting of priests in an effort to launch a Toronto chapter of the Detroit-based group Elephants in the Living Room. The organization is run by priests of the Detroit Archdiocese and is dedicated to Church "reforms" that diverge from Catholic teaching.

Priest in their ordination take a vow of obedience.

Organizing such an organization that advocates changes to the Catholic Church that are in direct conflict with church doctrine is blatant disobedience.

The Archdiocese would be with in its rights to command Fr. Crosby not to speak on these subjects anywhere in the Archdiocese.

I think it would be the right thing to do as a disciple of Christ and defender of the faith.

8 posted on 04/11/2013 4:55:06 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: markomalley

Time to start pushing back against the perpetually whiney


9 posted on 04/11/2013 5:12:46 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: markomalley
Toronto Cardinal under fire ...
It's about time the Church stood up to the scumbags.
Now, when is the Church going to start excommunicating the likes of Nancy Pelosie, Andy Cuomo, and a cast of thousands (all Dems)?
10 posted on 04/11/2013 6:04:05 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: driftdiver
Right. And it's not a question of censorship, it's a question of sponsorship. The Church is not obliged to host, or provide a platform for, an anti-Catholic speaker. Even if the anti-Catholic speaker is a priest.

Furthermore: this priest is guilty of consumer fraud. His recipe is unauthorized and his ingredients are spurious. If you don't use the McDonalds Special Sauce, you shouldn't call yourself McDonalds.

11 posted on 04/11/2013 9:18:38 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("If he will not hear the Church, let him be to thee as the heathen and the publican."(Matthew 18))
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To: markomalley
"a practice some see as being at odds with societal values of free speech and open dialogue,” wrote journalist Leslie Scrivener."

This is rich coming from a country that has speech codes and puts people in jail or fines them for unapproved speech.

12 posted on 04/12/2013 1:30:39 AM PDT by circlecity
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