Posted on 04/12/2013 5:10:48 PM PDT by markomalley
In his speech to members of the Pontifical Biblical Commission, Pope Francis said “the interpretation of the Holy Scriptures cannot be only an individual scientific effort, but must always confront itself with, be inserted within and authenticated by the living tradition of the Church”
The speech given by Francis to members of the Pontifical Biblical Commission this morning followed faithfully in the footsteps of his predecessor Benedict XVI teaching. Members of the Commission – scholars and theologians from all over the world gathered under the leadership of the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Mgr. Gerhard Müller - concluded a period of reflection on the theme: the inspiration and truth of the Bible. Benedict XVI had drawn attention to this during the 2008 Synod on Sacred Scripture.
The bottom line question revolves around the role of modern disciplines and scientific techniques – textual analysis, palaeographical analysis of texts, archaeological and historical discoveries, philological work on sources and so on – in the Church's interpretation of the Bible. The path outlined by Ratzinger, whilst not underestimating the value of scientific findings, reaffirmed the fact that one cannot truly “understand” the Bible and its texts unless it is through the eyes of faith, in the light of the Church's thousand-year-old history, whilst always taking into account the organic relationship between each of the Bible's books and the Bible as a whole and the message Christians find in it.
Francis clearly echoes this line of thought: “The interpretation of the Holy Scriptures cannot be only an individual scientific effort, but must always confront itself with, be inserted within and authenticated by the living tradition of the Church. This norm is essential to specify the correct relationship between exegesis and the Magisterium of the Church,” Francis said during today's audience.
Francis believes the Second Vatican Council reiterated with “great clarity” that there is an unbreakable unity between Scripture and Tradition, as both come from the same source... and are to be accepted and venerated with the same sense of loyalty and reverence.”
This is why, according to the Pope, every subjective interpretation is insufficient “as simply limited to an analysis incapable of embracing the global meaning that has constituted the Tradition of the entire People of God.” “The interpretation of the Holy Scriptures cannot be only an individual scientific effort, but must always confront itself with, be inserted within and authenticated by the living tradition of the Church. This norm is essential to specify the correct relationship between exegesis and the Magisterium of the Church,” Francis added.
At the same time, the Pope guarded against a literal reading of the sacred text, recalling that the Bible “the testimony in written form of God's Word” whereas the “Word of God precedes and exceeds the Bible.” Hence the Christian faith has at its centre not just a book “but a history of salvation and especially a Person, Jesus Christ, the Word of God made flesh.”
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Completely untrue...A lie to the followers of the Pied Piper...
The Piper knows that those who read and BELIEVE the bible ultimately leave the Catholic religion...
Every liberal Protestant church today was once -- some within living memory! -- what you call "evangelical". Today they endorse abortion, homosexuality, and every sort of perversion. How can you prove to me that that's not the inevitable trajectory of /sola scriptura/ Christianity? It certainly has been so with the major European denominations that grew out of the reformation.
Even your allegedly "conservative" evangelical churches, without exception, permit divorce and remarriage, contraception, among other objectively immoral acts. (Study up on what Protestants said about contraception before 1930. Your teaching changed. Ours didn't.)
Absent tradition, each generation decides for itself what the Bible means. Unfortunately, it seems less and less likely that they'll get it even close to right.
He stated it flatly. I reject his contention. No motives were imputed.
Let's see the list!!!
If there is more than one the point is proved. All others on any "list" are superfluous.
Pax et bonem
LOL
Augustine didn’t write it:
“Written by Bishop Fulbert of Chartres (ca 951-ca 1029), it appears in his Sermo IX, De Annuntiatione Dominica. The prayer is sometimes attributed to St. Augustine, Book 10, Sermon 18, de Sanctis, since Bishop Fulbert’s sermon appeared in the collected works of St. Augustine at one time. However, it is now known that the sermon is not Augustine’s, but Bishop Fulbert’s.”
http://www.preces-latinae.org/thesaurus/BVM/OBeataVM.html
Boom Shakalaka
Technically, I didn’t state it flatly. I just quoted him as denying that Mary was more exalted than other believers. Of course, it doesn’t matter now. My reply to him showed that his quote of Augustine was from a medieval source. So, I can now say it flatly, and take his scorn.
Problem is: there is no evidence that this 'treasury' you claim is from the apostles is really from any apostles...In fact, your 'treasury' is contrary to what we 'observe' in the written record; the scriptures...
1 Corinthians 4:16
Therefore I urge you to imitate me.
1 Thessalonians 1:6
You became imitators of us and of the Lord, for you welcomed the message in the midst of severe suffering with the joy given by the Holy Spirit.
2Th 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
Paul told us to hold fast to the traditions that have been taught (past tense)...We certainly could not be followers of 'tradition' that would occur centuries into the future...
The scriptures give a pretty good description of what the apostles taught and how they acted to give us an example on what to follow...
Peter taught us that we don't bow down to an apostle or any religious figure...Paul taught us that the 'leader's are not to seek the important places like the head of the table or a 'throne', or to wear long robes...Paul taught us that the churches are the people who are the members of the 'Body', not the leadership...
Paul taught us that a Bishop has to have a wife and a good family...Paul taught us that homosexuals are not to be honored in the churches...And certainly would not be acceptable as Bishops or Elders or Pastors...
2Th 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
So this raises the question...Have all of the Catholic Parishes rejected and distanced themselves from every homosexual religious leader since the time of the apostles to the present??? Or the ones who wear long robes or sit in seats of thos of supposed stature, or any of the many other obvious violations of example laid out in the scriptures???
2Th 3:14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
I don't see where your religion follows after the traditions taught by the apostles hardly at all...
Your pointing me to your search results? Our thread appears right in there too. It’s interesting how often they appear on Catholic websites... without attribution of any kind to Bishop Fulbert or even to any kind of source. It’s probably a Catholic internet urban legend, brought on through much repetition.
So did you ignore the fact that Augustine wrote it?
It might appear so — because there were many more connections for St. Augustine than what you had.
LOL!
This is another 'proof positive' that the real church is an invisible church...The tares will not be identified by anyone other than God...Same with the wheat...
“So did you ignore the fact that Augustine wrote it?
It might appear so — because there were many more connections for St. Augustine than what you had.
LOL!”
You literally gave me a search result filled with all sorts of random links (including a link to our own thread) that quote and attribute the prayer to Augustine. I posted a link that points out that the original source of that prayer is the medeival Bishop Fulbert, not Augustine. It was falsely attributed to Augustine. This is a known fact. Try clicking on one of those links and looking for an actual source.
It’s times like these I’m glad I didn’t stay Catholic long.
Once you are a Catholic — you are always a Catholic. You will have to answer for your absence when you die and meet the Meter of Justice, Jesus Christ and answer the question about why you left the one, holy, catholic and apostolic faith.
BTW, I don’t like your name at all. We are not “puny humans”; we are ALL made in the image and likeness of God.
How did you come up with that name?
Blessed Virgin Mary, who can worthily repay you with praise and thanks for having rescued a fallen world by your generous consent! Receive our gratitude, and by your prayers obtain the pardon of our sins. Take our prayers into the sanctuary of heaven and enable them to make our peace with God. Holy Mary, help the miserable, strengthen the discouraged, comfort the sorrowful, pray for your people, plead for the clergy, intercede for all women consecrated to God. May all who venerate you feel now your help and protection. Be ready to help us when we pray, and bring back to us the answers to our prayers. Make it your continual concern to pray for the people of God, for you were blessed by God and were made worthy to bear the Redeemer of the world, who lives and reigns forever. Amen
“Wherefore when the Lord appeared wonderful in the midst of the crowd, working signs and wonders, and showing what was hidden in the flesh, certain persons admiring, said, Blessed is the womb that bare thee. But he answered, Verily blessed are they who hear the word of God and keep it. That is to say, My mother, whom thou hast called blessed, is thence blessed because she keeps the word of God, not because the Word was made flesh within her.”
— Tenth treatise on the second chap of John’s Gospel
Quite a contradiction in thought there...How do you account for that???
“Once you are a Catholic — you are always a Catholic. You will have to answer for your absence when you die and meet the Meter of Justice, Jesus Christ and answer the question about why you left the one, holy, catholic and apostolic faith.”
He’ll probably tell me something like “Well Done, Good and Faithful servant, for not only did you die trusting in me instead of in the Catholic Church, but you also could tell the difference between a quote from Augustine and a medieval Catholic Bishop.”
Check out my reply to him, incase you missed it. Its from a medieval source (I posted a link), not actually from Augustine. The tipoff is that the language is way too advanced. You’ll also notice if you search the Catholic links, they usually end with “Amen” instead of a citation. It probably gets copied and pasted to the point that no one realizes it is not from Augustine.
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