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Are the Biblical Holy Days Christian?
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Posted on 04/19/2013 9:44:14 PM PDT by DouglasKC

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To: caldera599
Because your bizarre cult (which doesn’t even recognize the doctrine of the Trinity) is trying to inject Jewish ritual law into Christianity and I’m not going to stand for it. Also, because your soul is at risk because you remain separate from the seven sacraments of our Lord, which he entrusted to His Church, not Herbert Armstrong.

Talk about bizarre!

I want the reader to observe the spitting, snarling, the insults, the invectives, hurled against me SIMPLY for wanting to observe the very same holy days that Jesus Christ himself observed. Amazing ain't it?

21 posted on 04/19/2013 11:04:07 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

Thanks Douglas. I love G-d’s Holy Feasts and have abandoned the pagan ones. Unfortunately, this type of topic usually IS met with ......resistance. Someday it won’t be, but for now...it is.

Bondage is SIN...SIN is bondage. G-d’s word was never bondage and SIN was always bondage. We are freed from the bondage of sin, not of G-d’s beautiful, rich, nourishing word which is a lamp unto our feet. I love His word...all of it. I love His instructions because they show us how to walk, the kinds of things that actually please HIM. His word/instructions/Torah doesn’t show us how to sin, but it shows us what sin is.

I’m sooo ready for His redemption. Thankfully we see signs of it’s soon arrival.

Shabbat Shalom brother!


22 posted on 04/19/2013 11:04:21 PM PDT by PrairieLady2
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To: PrairieLady2
Thanks Douglas. I love G-d’s Holy Feasts and have abandoned the pagan ones. Unfortunately, this type of topic usually IS met with ......resistance. Someday it won’t be, but for now...it is.

Thank you so much for the uplifting and gracious post! Have a fantastic sabbath!

23 posted on 04/19/2013 11:06:01 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

You’ve got a set on you don’t you? If I wanted to insult you, you’d know it. I told you the truth in that last post, but you apparently would rather pretend I insulted you personally, like a liberal trying to argue against the Christian teaching on marriage by saying basically “waaah you hurt my feelings”.

I’m done here.


24 posted on 04/19/2013 11:09:23 PM PDT by caldera599
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To: caldera599
You’ve got a set on you don’t you? If I wanted to insult you, you’d know it. I told you the truth in that last post, but you apparently would rather pretend I insulted you personally, like a liberal trying to argue against the Christian teaching on marriage by saying basically “waaah you hurt my feelings”.

I'm not playing "you hurt my feelings" really...I truly am amazed at the amount of vitriol, personal or not, that comes when someone dares to say that they would rather observe the holy days of the Lord Jesus Christ, the ones he created and kept. And now you compared me to a liberal...the worst insult one could do on FreeRepublic! :-)

25 posted on 04/19/2013 11:14:13 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: iowamark

“The central tenets of British Israelism have been refuted by evidence from modern genetic, linguistic, archaeological and philological research. The doctrine continues, however, to have a significant number of adherents.”

http://bioanthropology.huji.ac.il/pdf/Nebel_2001b.pdf

Human genetics does not support British Israelism’s notion of a close lineal link between Jews and Western Europeans. Genetic research on the Y-chromosomes of Jews has found that Jews are closely related to other populations originating in the Middle East, such as Kurds, Turks, Armenians and Arabs, and concluded that:

Middle Eastern populations...are closely related and...their Y chromosome pool is distinct from that of Europeans. (Nebel, 2001.)[30]

Y-DNA Haplogroups J2 and, to a lesser extent, J1 are most commonly identified in Jewish people, which is in contrast to Western Europeans. The more distant Haplogroup R1b is the most commonly identified in Europeans.[31][32][33][34]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism


26 posted on 04/20/2013 2:02:13 AM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: DouglasKC
I think what people object to is your perceived arrogance and superior know-it-all attitude. It really is offensive.

The "I know better and have the truth and I will lecture you about it" is off putting to most breathing creatures.

A better person would have acknowledged a commentator's differing viewpoint and moved on. However, your posts indicate nothing more than an argumentative spirit combined with a vast ego of superiority. That offends even pagans.

My suggestion to you is to immerse yourself in scripture so you can produce a better character in yourself. If the feasts are so important to you, then pray that God will change people's minds, since it is very apparent you have no ability to do so.

27 posted on 04/20/2013 3:05:07 AM PDT by Dave W
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To: DouglasKC

The festivals were for the Jewish people only that is why.


28 posted on 04/20/2013 3:05:51 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: DouglasKC
Why do most people keep holidays that are different from the festivals listed and described in the pages of the Bible?

Because those holidays are for Jews, who reject Jesus, and for Shabbos Goys.

29 posted on 04/20/2013 3:13:41 AM PDT by Hacksaw
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To: Biggirl
"The festivals were for the Jewish people only that is why."

Absolutely right Biggirl.

"Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ." Col. 2:16-17

End of story.

30 posted on 04/20/2013 3:43:44 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: DouglasKC

Can the Old Covenant festivals be seen as Christian? Does it matter that, when He was among us that the Old Covenant was in force and the New Covenant didn’t begin until He arose? When He spoke and acted, it was in obedience to the Old Covenant because He was the only one who ever walked the Earth that could be 100% obedient and deserving of and by Himself. I may not be a theologian, but it seems that many get the Old and New Covenants mixed up and fail to allow for the differences.


31 posted on 04/20/2013 5:04:07 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: DouglasKC
For those interested in the now 400 year old rebuttals relative to the Christmas part of this the following might be of interest.

Pastor Fido an Anglican writing in the year 1650.

The author of these threads, having no interest in actual history, preferring to make up things out of whole cloth and follow after crackpots, will continue his quest to bring confusion.
32 posted on 04/20/2013 6:26:30 AM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: circlecity

To which also enters the Jerusalem Council’s conclusions as well. Further supporting what you say.


33 posted on 04/20/2013 6:28:43 AM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: Dave W
My suggestion to you is to immerse yourself in scripture so you can produce a better character in yourself. If the feasts are so important to you, then pray that God will change people's minds, since it is very apparent you have no ability to do so.

If it were ONLY my perceived arrogance then these types of thread would quickly die.

I think it's something more.

I think both Protestants and Catholics absolutely HATE the idea Christians keeping the holy days of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Supposedly Christians have Christian liberty. Yet here you are too instead of just saying "God bless you for keeping SOME kind of holy day" you need to come on this thread, make an effort to read it, and instead of dealing with the topic turn around and blame me!

What is it about the holy days that are so offensive to you?

34 posted on 04/20/2013 6:40:46 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Biggirl
The festivals were for the Jewish people only that is why.

That's not what scripture says:

Joh 12:20 Now there were certain Greeks among those who came up to worship at the feast.

Greeks aren't Jews. Yet here they were, in biblical times, observing the very same days that Jesus created and kept.

Isa 56:6 "Also the sons of the foreigner Who join themselves to the LORD, to serve Him, And to love the name of the LORD, to be His servants— Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, And holds fast My covenant—
Isa 56:7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain, And make them joyful in My house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices Will be accepted on My altar; For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations."

"Sons of foreigners" are not Jews. God says that if non-Jews observe his sabbaths...and his holy days ARE sabbaths...then his house shall be called a house of prayer for ALL nations...not just the jewish nation.

No, there the notion that the holy days of Jesus Christ are just for Jews is built strictly on mistaken tradition.

Besides WHY are they only for the Jews IF we have Christian liberty to worship on any days we want? Do you believe that?

35 posted on 04/20/2013 6:48:10 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: trebb
Can the Old Covenant festivals be seen as Christian? Does it matter that, when He was among us that the Old Covenant was in force and the New Covenant didn’t begin until He arose?

God's holy days were created BEFORE the old covenant was struck. They are part of the old covenant (and new) but they exist outside of any covenant.

Besides, if you believe in the concept of Christian liberty why is it "bad" for me to observe holy days created by Jesus Christ that are IN the bible...yet it's not "bad" for you to observe days that were invented by man and are NOT in the bible?

36 posted on 04/20/2013 6:51:22 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: wonkowasright
The author of these threads, having no interest in actual history, preferring to make up things out of whole cloth and follow after crackpots, will continue his quest to bring confusion.

Excuse me, but what have I said that I've made up "whole cloth"?

I've basically asked...why does Christian liberty allow one to worship on any day they desire, keep any kind of strange holiday they want, but EXCLUDES the one and only days that Jesus Christ created and kept himself? Doesn't "Christian" mean one who follows Christ?

37 posted on 04/20/2013 6:54:33 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: wonkowasright

This reminds me of the circumcision arguments in Acts 15.


38 posted on 04/20/2013 7:13:58 AM PDT by winkadink (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. George Orwell)
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To: winkadink

You got it. Just more to put the burden on those who follow Christ.


39 posted on 04/20/2013 7:19:19 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: circlecity

Thank-you and God Bless.


40 posted on 04/20/2013 7:20:05 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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