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Pope: Mary is always in a hurry to help us (first pastoral visit to a diocese in Rome)
Vatican Radio ^ | May 26, 2013

Posted on 05/26/2013 3:54:31 AM PDT by NYer

(Vatican Radio) Early on Sunday the feast of the Holy Trinity Pope Francis made his first Pastoral visit to a Diocese in Rome. The Parish of Saint Elisabeth and Zechariah gave the Pope a rapturous welcome as he arrived by helicopter to celebrate Mass and administer the Sacrament of Holy Communion to 16 children.
The Pope addressing the children and the congregation present underlined the importance of praying to the Madonna. Mary, the Holy Father said is always in a hurry to help us, teaching us to understand God. She was there, the Pope added, to help her cousin Elizabeth when she was expecting her baby and she is always there when we need her.
The Holy Father also focused on the theme of the Holy Trinity during his Homily telling the parishioners present that The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one. The Father, the Pope explained is the principle figure, he created everything, he created us. Jesus, meanwhile, said Pope Francis is the saviour. He came down to earth to give his life for us. Lastly, observing the importance of the Holy Spirit, the Pope said, he loves us.
The Christian life the Pope continued means talking to this Trinity. The Holy Francis also said it is the he son who walks with us. The Holy Father described how Jesus gives us the strength to carry on our journey even in difficult times; he is never far our side.
After greeting the many parishioners following Mass, the Pope returned to the Vatican by helicopter for the recitation of the Sunday Angelus.


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Parish of Saint Elisabeth and Zechariah


1 posted on 05/26/2013 3:54:31 AM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 05/26/2013 3:54:56 AM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: NYer; Still Thinking; Anoreth
Jesus, meanwhile, said Pope Francis is the saviour.

Eat, shoots, and leaves.

Great pictures, but the commentary is garblicious.

3 posted on 05/26/2013 4:01:16 AM PDT by Tax-chick (The Commie Plot Theory of Everything. Give it a try - you'll be surprised how often it makes sense.)
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To: Tax-chick
Great pictures, but the commentary is garblicious.

This event took place a couple of hours ago. For now, the commentary by Vatican Radio is a summary of his homily delivered in Italian. The photos come from an Italian publication.

4 posted on 05/26/2013 4:10:12 AM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: NYer
For now, the commentary by Vatican Radio is a summary of his homily delivered in Italian.

They get a few points for good intentions!

5 posted on 05/26/2013 4:12:53 AM PDT by Tax-chick (The Commie Plot Theory of Everything. Give it a try - you'll be surprised how often it makes sense.)
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To: Tax-chick

wow, lost a little something in translation


6 posted on 05/26/2013 4:19:38 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: NYer

Sorry I won’t be praying to Mary.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus

That pretty much leaves Mary and the saints right out.


7 posted on 05/26/2013 4:20:25 AM PDT by Cyclops08
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To: NYer

Since Mary is not God—neither the Mother of God (except for the body of Christ). She cannot be omnipresent. I imagine she is busier than a one-armed wallpaper hanger trying to help everyone. Perhaps Santa could give her some pointers?


8 posted on 05/26/2013 4:20:48 AM PDT by Keli Kilohana (Editor, ZARR CHASM CHRONICAL [sic], Sore, WV)
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To: yldstrk

Maybe the English-speaking writer took the day off. Usually, the articles about the Pope’s daily sermons are coherent.


9 posted on 05/26/2013 4:38:00 AM PDT by Tax-chick (The Commie Plot Theory of Everything. Give it a try - you'll be surprised how often it makes sense.)
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To: NYer

More “Mary” worship.

Exodus 20:3

“Thou shalt have no other gods before me.”

The Ten Commandments, you may have heard of them. (This is número uno , by the way). Just a little Spanish lingo, there.


10 posted on 05/26/2013 4:55:56 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Tax-chick

maybe they used google translator lol


11 posted on 05/26/2013 5:04:35 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

It’s possible. I’ve seen some hysterical results from that.


12 posted on 05/26/2013 5:06:19 AM PDT by Tax-chick (The Commie Plot Theory of Everything. Give it a try - you'll be surprised how often it makes sense.)
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To: Tax-chick

that is a fact!


13 posted on 05/26/2013 5:38:31 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk; NYer

So as not to make this nothing but language discussion, I’ll add that, although I still don’t like the church building very much, it all looks much nicer with the plaza full of people. Looks like pleasant weather, too.


14 posted on 05/26/2013 5:40:21 AM PDT by Tax-chick (The Commie Plot Theory of Everything. Give it a try - you'll be surprised how often it makes sense.)
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To: Cyclops08
Nevertheless, though you say I'm "left out," I will still pray for you.

"Dear Lord, please bless that Cyclops08."

Can I have an Amen?

15 posted on 05/26/2013 5:57:35 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (asdfgh)
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To: faucetman

“No other gods.” We all agree on that.


16 posted on 05/26/2013 5:59:00 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (asdfgh)
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To: Tax-chick

some day I would like to go to Rome and to the Holy Land. I can’t find many serious Catholics here, the ones I grew up with as biological family are liberals...........


17 posted on 05/26/2013 6:11:49 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Keli Kilohana

That alarms me too, there is just enough truth mixed in with Roman Catholicism, that it looks good, yet it’s still a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Bible talks about how many will be deceived, as a kid I never fully understood that, but I look now and I see it clearly.


18 posted on 05/26/2013 6:26:47 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Mrs. Don-o

all Christians are saints, that’s clear in scripture too. It’s also clear about having no other gods before him and who to worship and pray to.


19 posted on 05/26/2013 6:29:40 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: NYer
Non-Catholic: Catholics worship Mary!

Catholic: Catholics don't worship Mary. Church teaching is very clear that we are to worship God alone. We venerate (honor) her and ask for her prayers (much as I'd ask you to pray for me), but we don't worship her. If you see a Catholic who you presume is worshiping Mary, either you are wrong and are misreading their heart, or (possibly) you are right and you are looking at a Catholic who is ignorant of Church teaching. Got that?

Non-Catholic: Yeah, but...Catholics worship Mary!

Saint Worship?

Mary Worship

20 posted on 05/26/2013 6:37:16 AM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: yldstrk; Anoreth

My parents and other relatives are mostly Protestants. I want to go to Rome, too. I’m saving up so Anoreth (my daughter) and I can go, if the stars ever align so that I don’t have a baby and she can get leave.


21 posted on 05/26/2013 6:51:34 AM PDT by Tax-chick (The Commie Plot Theory of Everything. Give it a try - you'll be surprised how often it makes sense.)
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To: NYer

The Pope addressing the children and the congregation present underlined the importance of praying to the Madonna.


It don,t matter if it is the Pope or Joesph Smith, where does it say anything like that in the Bible?


22 posted on 05/26/2013 6:53:28 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: Tax-chick

Is Anoreth in the military?


23 posted on 05/26/2013 6:54:08 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

Yes, she’s a gunner in the Coast Guard.


24 posted on 05/26/2013 6:54:38 AM PDT by Tax-chick (The Commie Plot Theory of Everything. Give it a try - you'll be surprised how often it makes sense.)
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To: Bulwyf

no you don’t see clearly


25 posted on 05/26/2013 6:55:25 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Tax-chick

That is wonderful


26 posted on 05/26/2013 6:56:36 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

She’s an adventurous girl!


27 posted on 05/26/2013 7:00:01 AM PDT by Tax-chick (The Commie Plot Theory of Everything. Give it a try - you'll be surprised how often it makes sense.)
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28 posted on 05/26/2013 7:09:11 AM PDT by narses
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To: yldstrk

Can you elaborate?


29 posted on 05/26/2013 7:24:57 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: NYer
The Holy Father also focused on the theme of the Holy Trinity during his Homily telling the parishioners present that The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one. The Father, the Pope explained is the principle figure, he created everything, he created us. Jesus, meanwhile, said Pope Francis is the saviour. He came down to earth to give his life for us. Lastly, observing the importance of the Holy Spirit, the Pope said, he loves us.

The Holy Spirit is important, because he loves us...That's it...Because he loves us...

The Pope addressing the children and the congregation present underlined the importance of praying to the Madonna. Mary, the Holy Father said is always in a hurry to help us, teaching us to understand God. She was there, the Pope added, to help her cousin Elizabeth when she was expecting her baby and she is always there when we need her.

Mary on the other hand, has taken over the role of the Holy Spirit...In the Catholic religion, Mary is the one you pray to for understanding, comfort and any need you may come in contact with...

Certainly there's a need and a role for a deity to provide those things to the Body of Christ so Mary appears to be the fourth part of the Trinity, delivering those things that only the Trinity can provide, in real Christianity...This theology is anti-bible, anti-Christian, and anti-God...

So in retrospect, those bible only Christians who do not pray to Mary are void of understanding, confort, knowledge and the love of God...M.o

30 posted on 05/26/2013 7:46:51 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Cyclops08

One becomes three, then with Mary that’s four, and lets not forget Satan, that’s five.... Seems like we’re going Hindu.


31 posted on 05/26/2013 7:49:31 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: All
The Pope addressing the children and the congregation present underlined the importance of praying to the Madonna. Mary, the Holy Father said is always in a hurry to help us, teaching us to understand God. She was there, the Pope added, to help her cousin Elizabeth when she was expecting her baby and she is always there when we need her.

See related thread:
Pope tells Catholics to shout 'Jesus' instead of 'Francis' (Ecumenical)

32 posted on 05/26/2013 7:53:30 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: fidelis

Catholics Honor Mary and appreciate the role she had in Jesus’s life.

The Islamists would never honor any female figure in their book of lies and satanism...

Well, except as an example of they can get away with (rape, murder, etc)....


33 posted on 05/26/2013 7:55:20 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Cyclops08

CYCLOPS08...I AGREE!!!


34 posted on 05/26/2013 7:58:24 AM PDT by txgirl4Bush (Impeach obama)
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To: NYer

Jesus saves, through Jesus God can help us.

Mary is not a deity, she can’t help anyone.


35 posted on 05/26/2013 8:07:15 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Bulwyf

The Catholic Church is something you don’t understand and I am not going to explain it to you, other than to say I have run in to people that say things about the Catholic Church and they are talking out of their hat out of garbage they have heard and been led to believe is true about the Catholic church. So no, I won’t elaborate, other than to say this, if you want to see the true deep beauty and truth of God, you will find it in the Catholic church


36 posted on 05/26/2013 8:30:50 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Bulwyf

Pay no attention, you see just fine. Any system that makes the way broad must be false. Most of their religious system emanated from the minds of faux-holy men, which has led to incredible unbiblical pomp and ceremony, a religiosity that has just enough truth in it to give the appearance of transcendant light to a spiritually dead, uncritical, and biblically illiterate world, while doing nothing positive for the eternal souls of men. In other words, very little of it, to include this most recent Francine homily, is in accordance with the Bible.

It’s Sunday and I am preparing for church and to spend this Lord’s day with my family, so I’m not arguing doctrine or history with Catholics. I know they won’t like what I said and some will likely call me an ignorant fool. They can bombard me with such vitriol for days, that is fine, much better men than I have felt the wrath of Rome. I don’t say what I say to make them mad or to argue, I say it because it is true and I care about the souls of men who have been taken in by religious hucksters. I say it because I want others to have peace that passes understanding that can only come from resting wholly in Christ, and Christ alone. So, I will never stop urging them to compare what their holy men say with the plain teaching of the Bible. If they ever corrected their core error—how God saves men’s souls—the rest of the system (Mariology, papacy, papal keys, Treasury of Merit, manmade saints, purgatory, priesthood, transubstantiation, the mass, priesthood, rosary, ritual etc) would eventually crumble of its own weight as so much nonsense. Men who are born from above, truly regenerated in their hearts by the Holy Spirit, will eventually see through these things as they grow in grace and understanding of the Word.

I pray even now that just one Roman Catholic would listen to any or all of these sermons on The Gospel.

http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=61000231635
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=330221270
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=221101933219
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=1026082134247


37 posted on 05/26/2013 9:00:44 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: Bulwyf
AH. Honest mistake. I see the source of the misunderstanding.

You are thinking "pray" is synonymous with "worship" or "adore". That's not so. In the Greek, you can see it more clearly: "latria" means worship, "dulia" means honor (as in "honor your father and your mother,") "hyperdulia" is the highest form of "dulia."

"Latria" is offered only to the Supreme Being (God); "dulia" and "hyperdulia" would be different degrees of honor which may (in fact, according to the Commandments, must) be offered to humans worthy of honor.

As St. Paul explained, "Give honor to whom honor is due, custom to whom custom, tribute to whom tribute," etc. (Romans 13:7). That's why it's necessary to recognize different levels of legitimate honor.

Anyone who "adored" Mary would be guilty of wrongful latria: idolatry.

Christians knowledgeable about these distinctions understand that.

38 posted on 05/26/2013 9:12:27 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, and said to him, "You are not far from the kingdom of God.")
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To: ravenwolf

St.James tells us (5:16) that “the heartfelt prayer of a good man works very powerfully”, — I think that counts for women too, don’t you? -— and there are many other examples of intercessory prayer being recommended in the New Testament (col. 1:9;2 Thes. 1:11; 2 Thes. 3:1-3).


39 posted on 05/26/2013 9:14:54 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, and said to him, "You are not far from the kingdom of God.")
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To: Iscool
"Mary appears to be the fourth part of the Trinity"

You shouldn't say things like that, Iscool. It is blasphemous.

40 posted on 05/26/2013 9:16:43 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my all.)
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To: GeronL; NYer
Mary is not a diety, but that doesn't mean she can;t help anyone. We all help each othger. That's what it means to be a member of the Body of Christ,as St. Paul so eloquently preached. St. Paul is a member of the Body of Christ. So is Mary, so are if you, if you are a Christian, and so am I.

So is anyone who is not a "dead branch".

Those in heaven are also united to God (1 Cor.13:12; 1 Jn. 3:2) and are alive to Christ (Mk.12:24-27; 1 Cor. 15:22). God is God, not of the dead, but of the living (Matt. 22:32).

We are all in living contact in Christ.

41 posted on 05/26/2013 9:20:26 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my all.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I’m still learning about the faith. My understanding is that Satan used woman (Eve) to lure Adam into sinning. God used woman (Mary) to redeem man.


42 posted on 05/26/2013 9:22:41 AM PDT by timeflies
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To: Cyclops08; Keli Kilohana; faucetman; Bulwyf; ravenwolf; Iscool; onedoug; GraceG; txgirl4Bush; ...

**Sorry I won’t be praying to Mary.**

Who said we pray “to” her instead of Jesus?

We only ask her to pray for us.

Do you ask your own mother to pray for you? Why not ask the Mother of Jesus to pray for you?

After all, wasn’t Mary the first intercessor at the Wedding of Cana? Didn’t she ask/tell him “They have no wine.”?????

Always our intercessor — not a member of the Trinity.

She passes our needs on to Jesus and there are always three answers from him “Yes”, “No” and “Not now.”

So, I ask, why don’t you let Mary help YOU?


43 posted on 05/26/2013 9:38:50 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I think that counts for women too, don’t you?


I do, but where does it say that we are to pray to Madonna, i thought it says for us to pray to god in the name of Jesus.


44 posted on 05/26/2013 9:42:42 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: timeflies
That's an excellent insight! And in the broader sense, we all may have some role in History of God's redemptive Love, in that we are co-operators with Christ in each others' salvation.

We are also models for each other, and Mary a very good model indeed --- much better than Eve, whose disobedience Mary helped to overturn with her obedience. Mary didn't say a lot, but one of the biggies was, "Do whatever He tells you."

All of us can join Mary in that.

2 Thessalonians 3:9
We did this in order to offer ourselves as a model for you to imitate.

45 posted on 05/26/2013 9:44:23 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my all.)
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To: ravenwolf

Yes, but you and I pray for each other all the time. I hope.


46 posted on 05/26/2013 9:45:15 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my all.)
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To: NYer
Pope: Mary is

Resident FR snake handlers:


47 posted on 05/26/2013 9:49:25 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: timeflies; Mrs. Don-o
My understanding is that Satan used woman (Eve) to lure Adam into sinning. God used woman (Mary) to redeem man.

Yes, that is correct. You can find the scriptural basis for that teaching Here.

48 posted on 05/26/2013 9:52:25 AM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: ravenwolf
I think most of the confusion here comes from the misunderstanding of the word "pray." Its earlier, legitimate meaning, still used by the Church, is to "implore" or ask." Shakespeare uses it this way all the time ("I pray you, do not fall in love with me") and the U.S. judges and lawyers still use it this way ("Therefore the petitioner now prays this honorable Court...")

In this sense, you "pray" to another person every time you ask the waitress for a cup of coffee. Though where in the Bible does it say you can pray to waitresses?

49 posted on 05/26/2013 9:54:14 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my all.)
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To: NYer; All
I am looking for an English translation of this homily for a Church bible study. I have found the Italian text on the Vatican Website but the Google translation is very poor. Any help would be appreciated.
50 posted on 05/26/2013 9:57:10 AM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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