The Mathematical Proof for Christianity Is Irrefutable

Christian Post ^ | 05/29/2013 | Dan Delzell

[sasportas]

Typically they apply Isa. 53 to themselves (Hitler’s holocaust, etc.).

[VietVet]

YOU may not be able to imagine nothing, and I might have trouble with the concept, but there are many mathematicians and astrophysicists who have done so, and have worked out the equations and the predictions from the implications.

[dglang]

I doubt that it is the keyboard.

I also constantly keep flipping letters into the reverse order In my own case, I attribute it to ‘Muscle memory’ developed through years of playing various musical instruments, memorizing passages (key strokes/valves) and perfecting them through repetition.

As a result of the years of practice and memorization, some fingers respond to the instructions to ‘push’ on the keys in a set sequence which is different to what a keyboard requires.

[sauron]

The willingness of Jesus’ apostles to die horrible deaths rather than recant their faith, and their witnessing of Jesus after His resurrection is extremely probative of Christ’s resurrection for me. If He were not raised, Christianity fails. The apostles’ deaths, for me, is proof enough.

BINGO!

Look at the followers of false religions (e.g., Muhammed.) They cashed in. Gold, silver, and sex, like an all-you-can-eat buffet, get it while you have the power and influence. So predictable.

Now, contrast that with the Apostles. They travelled the breadth of the Mediterranean, KNOWING the penalty under Roman law for proclaiming Christ, KNOWING the penalty under Jewish law for proclaiming Christ.

They didn't have to leave home, turn their backs on everything, and later, each one (save one) die horribly as they did.

Note also that they eschewed wealth, power, and all the hot chicks that undoubtedly they would have had access to. They were about something bigger, and that was spreading the news that the Kingdom was at hand.

I agree with you--that's powerful evidence.

Sauron

[9YearLurker]

I’m not Jewish, but I’ll take a wild guess.

Maybe they figure it wouldn’t be hard for someone who wants to believe they’ve found the messiah to write that messiah’s life story such that it fulfills all those earlier prophecies.

[Not A Snowbird]

Possibly.

Or he might need a new keyboard. Looks like the space bar is sticky.

[Albion Wilde]

You’ll like this one.

[Albion Wilde]

I think he’s saying that there is a mathematical structure beneath the rest of the story; rather like the steel beams that hold up a building against gravity. Those beams aren’t the whole building or the thing people see when they look at the building or use many of its facilities.

[SaxxonWoods]

I live by Christian principles, imperfectly like all of us who follow the path.

This self-reverential silliness is an embarrassment.

But it is typical of what happens when men place themselves between Christians and Christ.

No intermediary between a soul and Christ is required.

Besides, I was told there would be no math.

[Redplum]

Besides, I was told there would be no math.

That's awesome! LOL!

What a fascinating thread, particularly the revelations by those who profess to follow the path as well, of those proofs which underpin their faith. Good stuff.

//RedPlum Sends

[grumpa]

See our site www.faithfacts.org — one of the oldest apologetics sites on the Internet.

[dglang]

One must keep in mind the conditions under which Christ arrived during His ‘first’ coming.

The nation was occupied by the Romans and desperately in need of deliverance from them. The people were desperately looking for the ‘warrior’ Messiah and not for the ‘suffering servant’.

Jewish theology also accounts for two ‘messiahs’, one of which is the ‘son of David’ their earlier ‘warrior king’ and another ‘Messiah Ben Joseph’ the ‘suffering Servant’.

The book of Zechariah describes both:

Zechariah 9:9-10 — A King of Peace

“Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion!
Shout in triumph, O daughter of Jerusalem!
Behold, your king is coming to you;
He is just and endowed with salvation,
Humble, and mounted on a donkey,
Even on a colt, the foal of a donkey.
And He will speak peace to the nations;
And His dominion will be from sea to sea,
And from the River to the ends of the earth.”

Zechariah 14:2-4 — A King of War

Later, however, Zechariah gives another description of the coming king, a picture quite different from that of chapter 9. Let’s take a brief look at the context for his statement:

“For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city will be captured. Then the Lord will go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fights on a day of battle. In that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives will be split in its middle from east to west by a very large valley, so that half of the mountain will move toward the north and the other half toward the south.”

This picture is very much like an epic battle scene from a movie full of bloodshed and tragedy and triumph. Then in verses 8-9 we read:

“And in that day living waters will flow out of Jerusalem, half of them toward the eastern sea and the other half toward the western sea; it will be in summer as well as in winter. And the Lord will be king over all the earth; in that day the Lord will be the only one, and His name the only one.”

The Jews in Jesus’ time were looking for the ‘Supreme Ruler’ over all the Earth to deliver them from the Romans and not the High Priest to deliver them from their sins and restore their relationship to God the father.

Indeed as long as the yearly day of atonement was held in the Temple with the yearly sacrifice which ‘covered the sins of the people’ from the previous year, the Jews could see no further need for deliverance ‘from their sins’.

[scrabblehack]

exp(pi()*i) + 1 = 0, donc Dieu existe, respondez!

That’s the way I learned it in college anyway. It appears that (a + b^n)/n = x is a much more common version of the legend. (Euler and Diderot).

[Lera]

Add to that ... Every place in your English Bible where it says LORD in capital letters in the Old Testament it is the translation for יהוה in Hebrew.That is God's name in the Bible.

At first glance it doesn't look like much since as Americans most of can't read Hebrew

So lets look at it as it would have been written before letters actually formed and people wrote in pictographs.

The image below is Hebrew as it was first written in pictures. Hebrew is read right to left instead of left to right .

first letter is a yod - find the Y and then look at the picture farthest to the left ... arm/hand
second letter is a hey - find the H and look at the picture farthest to the left - man with his arms raised it means look (also means breath and to reveal )
third letter is a vav(modern) or waw(ancient) - find the W and look at the picture - it's a nail
fourth letter is a hey - H - man with his arms raised and means look

So now to put it together as one would have seen it in the original picture --- God's name pictured ---> hand --> look ---> nail ----> look .... even the NAME points to Messiah

[SeekAndFind]

So, how do the Jews understand this passage? Who do they believe this is referring to ?

ISAIAH 53

1 Who has believed what he has heard from us?
And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?

2 For he grew up before him like a young plant,
and like a root out of dry ground;
he had no form or majesty that we should look at him,
and no beauty that we should desire him.

3 He was despised and rejected by men;
a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief;
and as one from whom men hide their faces
he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

4 Surely he has borne our griefs
and carried our sorrows;
yet we esteemed him stricken,
smitten by God, and afflicted.

5 But he was pierced for our transgressions;
he was crushed for our iniquities;
upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace,
and with his wounds we are healed.

6 All we like sheep have gone astray;
we have turned—every one—to his own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted,
yet he opened not his mouth;
like a lamb that is led to the slaughter,
and like a sheep that before its shearers is silent,
so he opened not his mouth.

8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away;
and as for his generation, who considered
that he was cut off out of the land of the living,
stricken for the transgression of my people?

9 And they made his grave with the wicked
and with a rich man in his death,
although he had done no violence,
and there was no deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the will of the Lord to crush him;
he has put him to grief;
when his soul make an offering for guilt,
he shall see his offspring; he shall prolong his days;
the will of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

11 Out of the anguish of his soul he shall see and be satisfied;
by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant,
make many to be accounted righteous,
and he shall bear their iniquities.

12 Therefore I will divide him a portion with the many,
and he shall divide the spoil with the strong,
because he poured out his soul to death
and was numbered with the transgressors;
yet he bore the sin of many,
and makes intercession for the transgressors.

[21twelve]

Cool!

[Joe 6-pack]

"...in the 60’s there was a convention of scientists in chicago where it was determined scientifically and mathematically that evolution was impossible..."

The secularists will argue that science and math have evolved since then ;-)

[Mortrey]

Thank you for this beautiful post.

The only item I have a hard time with is this:

“He loves you far more than you can fathom.”

I really CAN’T fathom Him loving us to such a degree for we are so incredibly unworthy.

[Zionist Conspirator]

One plus one equals two. Old Testament history plus New Testament fulfillment equals irrefutable proof.

This is precisely chrstianity's constant mistake of two millenia. The "new testament" fulfills the "old" because it (the "new") says so. Ie, it assumes from the outset the authority of the "new testament" to authoritatively interpret the "old." This is the classic logical fallacy of "assumption of the consequent."

Joseph Smith claimed that he personally was prophesied in the chrstian bible. Most chrstians ridicule the idea. But his logic is no different from that of chrstians who "prove" the "new testament" by simply quoting its claims about J*sus' alleged fulfillment of Biblical prophecy. "I was prophesied in the bible, and we know this is true because I say so, and I was prophesied in the bible!"

The argument is no different than saying one plus one equals five, because I already believe that it equals five.

See the material here.

[sasportas]

I gather it is all an issue of written authority to you. I can’t answer for others, but I look to the Jews who wrote the New Testament for my authority, Peter, James, John, Paul, etc. If Christ trusted them with his word, so do I. Case closed.

These were Jews who knew more about Old and New Testament issues than yourself, they lived 2000 years closer to the truth than you. Aren’t you a Noahide? what is your Jewish authority? Rambam? If so, my Jewish authorities preceded yours by about a thousand years or so.