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Do the Bible and Ayn Rand's 'Atlas Shrugged' Share Common Ground?
Christian Post ^ | 06/06/2013 | Alex Murashko

Posted on 06/06/2013 9:36:05 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

A Christian scholar and author has taken the experience of growing up under the influence of a stepfather who cherished the objectivism philosophy of Ayn Rand (Atlas Shrugged) and his biological father who became a follower of Jesus Christ, to write a book about two world views that he feels can come together for the good of society.

Mark David Henderson's book, The Soul of Atlas, begins by asking the question, "Do the two most influential books in modern culture, the Bible and Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged, share common ground?" Henderson has a unique closeness to the subject of Rand's book – his stepfather (who he simply calls John in his book) produced the movie version of Atlas Shrugged.

"You can imagine these two men having the kind of influence they've had in my life, I was sort of struggling with asking the question, 'Is there a world view that would kind of mesh these two?' And I have to conclude that there probably isn't something called 'Christian objectivism' or 'objective Christianity' because these are not like chocolate and peanut butter where you can sort of mix them," Henderson recently told The Christian Post. "But it was very important to me to reconcile these worldviews as a sort of an intellectual exercise and also to reconcile these two men who, I guess, I [still] long for their approval and long for them to come together because they've shaped my life."

Henderson, who studied Victorian poetry and neuroscience at Brown University and earned an MBA from Columbia Graduate School of Business, is a life-long student of Ayn Rand, a Christian and a former elder and trustee of Redeemer Presbyterian Church in New York City.

He told CP that the two worldviews are "embodied by my two fathers."

Henderson described his stepfather this way: "John is a follower of Ayn Rand, a businessman and entrepreneur, and he's won the U.S. Poker Championship, he has owned race horses, started and taken private and public companies, and he's my stepfather. He's also the producer of 'Atlas Shrugged' the movie, parts one, two, and soon to be three in 2014.

"And he spoke into my life, I lived with him from age 11 until I left the home. I learned about objectivism at the kitchen table in every which way. I was steeped in the philosophy of atheism and Ayn Rand's rationale self-interest."

He also does not give the name of his dad in the book, simply calling him "dad."

"Dad returned to Christianity later in life," Henderson said. "He's a PhD in physiology, he taught at business schools, he worked on the assembly line at general motors, he owns a farm and runs that himself and lives very modestly in the Midwest. He is a devout Christian."

He said both fathers, who each wrote a letter included in the book, have been very supportive of his book, "but from different perspectives, and that is what I kind of get at as the theme for The Soul of Atlas.

"I used these two men to illustrate from a very unbiased perspective these two worldviews and how they interact," Henderson explained. "So, you have John representing Ayn Rand philosophy and speaking it into my life and then dad, who is coming from a Christian perspective of speaking into my life with different principles or in many cases, I contend, the same principles."

He described Ayn Rand's philosophy as based on rational self-interest – "putting your own interests before anything else."

"She believed that the individual is the highest possible occupation of any one person. She believed that one should always occupy their minds, will, and emotions with the highest possible occupation and she believed that would be the self," Henderson said.

Rand believed in objective truths and objective moral values, but that there is no "objective value giver." He said, "She wanted to be known as the greatest enemy to religion that ever lived. She put together this philosophy that is all throughout her writing – from Atlas Shrugged written in 1957, which is still the bestselling novel of all time."

Henderson said that one of the most impactful memories of his Christian father was one in which, as a teenager, he came upon the scene of his father and his wife kneeling inside their apartment praying.

"Now, I had never seen anyone do that before in the privacy of their own home or otherwise," he said. "I thought if they are doing it in the privacy of their own home it's not for show. I certainly hadn't seen my dad, who is this big, strong, macho (in the good sense of the word) guy who just was humbling himself on the floor. It was actually a little bit creepy and I didn't know how to respond and I ended up questioning him at some other point in time. Gradually, over time, his whole transformation was apparent to me not only in our conversations, but also in the way he was living his life. He committed his life to Jesus Christ and a lot of things changed."

Henderson said that the two worldviews discussed in his book have been hugely influential in America's culture and society, and the development of the nation and therefore, if brought together, could also be influential in a positive way.

"My hope is that as Christians and followers of Ayn Rand, or even more broadly, as people of faith and reason come together I want them to find common ground so that we can accomplish much more together than we would separately," he said. "If these two worlds have been so hugely influential independent of one another, by promoting understanding they will engage, by engage I mean be able to work on the things they agree on and accomplish much more then they could separately."

He added, "I don't think it's going to be through a book only. I think it's going to be through an application of these aspects of common ground in the real world – not just on blogs, not just on Twitter, but in person to engage, to seek first to understand, then to be understood, to articulate these two world views, not just these two but others … and then honestly and genuinely find that common ground together."


TOPICS: Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Skeptics/Seekers
KEYWORDS: atlasshrugged; aynrand; bible
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1 posted on 06/06/2013 9:36:05 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

stopped reading when Atlas Shrugged was claimed to be the second most influential book in modern society


2 posted on 06/06/2013 9:37:23 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: SeekAndFind

Nothing replaces the Bible. That said, I still admire Rand for her defense of capitalism and enlightened self-interest, despite her own personal failings and shortcomings.


3 posted on 06/06/2013 9:38:33 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido

To quote grumpy cat.

How about.. No.


4 posted on 06/06/2013 9:41:30 AM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: SeekAndFind

I swear. More and more articles coming from The Christian Post are pure CRAP.

This one is crappier than usual.


5 posted on 06/06/2013 9:42:30 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

:: Mark David Henderson’s book, The Soul of Atlas, begins by asking the question, “Do the two most influential books in modern culture, the Bible and Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged ::

Really? Really? Dude, you need to step back and stop drinking from The Fountainhead.


6 posted on 06/06/2013 9:49:25 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

So, what’s your choice for the second most influential book?


7 posted on 06/06/2013 9:50:51 AM PDT by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: Larry Lucido

God’s universal truth is universal truth, even when understood and presented by a non-believer. God can and does use those who do not believe in Him.


8 posted on 06/06/2013 9:54:18 AM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
I have a Who is John Galt sticker on three different vehicles.

Rarely get a reaction from other drivers.

The sheeple don't have a clue.

9 posted on 06/06/2013 9:55:27 AM PDT by oldtimer
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To: 5thGenTexan

Agree completely.


10 posted on 06/06/2013 10:01:38 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Bidimus1

:-)


11 posted on 06/06/2013 10:02:06 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: SeekAndFind
"She believed that the individual is the highest possible occupation of any one person. She believed that one should always occupy their minds, will, and emotions with the highest possible occupation and she believed that would be the self,"

I guess I might have to read the book, but it is really difficult to reconcile that statement with , "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."

That said, there is a pretty solid argument for the best basis for solid economic systems being found in "enlightened self-interest." I don't think that is the ideal situation, but I do believe it is the best that humans can devise this side of heaven. At the very least, it provides the best environment for individual freedom and models, however imperfectly, the gift of free will that God granted his creation.

Unfortunately what exists today is far from a free market system. The Left seeks central planning, ignoring the individual and succumbs to crony capitalism. The Right pretends to desire a free market but just as quickly succumbs to the temptation of crony capitalism.

So Rand was close to the mark on economics, but built upon an insufficient — and ultimatley doomed to fail—foundation. There is no real connection between her approach and the Bible, other than the fact that, in my opinion, the dynamic of the free market system is really just one of God's accommodations to fallen humanity.

12 posted on 06/06/2013 10:11:54 AM PDT by newheart (The worst thing the Left ever did was to convince the world it was not a religion.)
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To: Daveinyork

Unfortunately, in this era, I would have to point to GWF Hegel’s “Science of Logic”.

It is the Hegelian dialectic that created our culture’s “ends justifies the means” ideology.

There is no black and white...only shades of gray. I believe that God would not agree with that summation.


13 posted on 06/06/2013 10:16:01 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: ADemocratNoMore; Aggie Mama; alarm rider; alexander_busek; AlligatorEyes; AmericanGirlRising; ...

Atlas ping. Possible food for thought and discussion.


14 posted on 06/06/2013 10:17:03 AM PDT by Publius
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

I suppose it depends on how you measure influence.


15 posted on 06/06/2013 10:24:56 AM PDT by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: SeekAndFind
Ayn Rand's Rational Objectivism is like Physics
Viewed from one direction the Universe is a Physics Engine
and is quite Deterministic.

Physics makes No Comment on Why it is like this,
only that it is.

Atrheism makes an empty statement that the Universe just is
and has no Reason for it.

C.S. Lewis had a Field Day on this Fallacy

16 posted on 06/06/2013 10:26:39 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: SeekAndFind
People who want to use the tenets of Christianity to control other people are going to loathe Atlas Shrugged.

People who do not want to use the tenets of Christianity to control other people will probably be indifferent to Atlas Shrugged.

Either way, Christians who hate Rand's accurate depiction of the world as a place where volitional consciousness (rather than faith) is required to survive are going to have to ask themselves why God deposited them into such a world in the first place. :)

17 posted on 06/06/2013 10:26:46 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Daveinyork

Ahhh!

Si, senor.


18 posted on 06/06/2013 10:33:46 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Publius

It’s easy to believe in nothing,,, until you reach the Judgement, then oooOOPS!


19 posted on 06/06/2013 10:37:34 AM PDT by wizr (We are "one Nation, under God " or "one nation, trod under ". Keep the Faith.)
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To: SeekAndFind

bkmk


20 posted on 06/06/2013 10:39:04 AM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: wizr

I don’t think it is easy at all, almost all humans sense that God exists.


21 posted on 06/06/2013 10:54:56 AM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: SeekAndFind

both contain lurid accounts of adultery... of course one glorifies it and the other doesn’t


22 posted on 06/06/2013 11:24:25 AM PDT by Rameumptom (Gen X= they killed 1 in 4 of us)
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To: SeekAndFind

It is good to grapple with such questions.

For a Christian the greatest commandments are these: (1) Love the Lord with your whole being; and (2) Love your neighbor as yourself. Of course, in Jesus’ day, these two commandments were well know to every Jew. Jesus expounded on “neighbor.” He said your neighbor is he who acts as your neighbor, not somebody of your ethnic or religious group.

Let’s turn to Rand. Supposedly her greatest commandment is to love yourself. BUT ... coming in number two is to love others who share your values. Now, what about the God thing? Rand would say there is no God. But, if you follow her novels, you find that objective truth is her God, and the objective truth is that we are made to be free. This is such an enormously important thing, that it is rational to give one’s life in witness of it.

So, in my book, here’s the difference: First, as Christians, we have a personal relation with a loving God and assurance of salvation. This speaks to our emotional needs. Atheists have an anonymous relation with nature and no assurance of anything. Atheists must have very strong characters. I don’t know how they do it. Having been in the military, I’ll just say that without God I don’t think I could handle it.

Second, as Christians, we love others as ourselves. For followers of Rand, they love others as instrumentalities of their own happiness, not as ends in themselves, not because they share with us in the same dignity that comes from being a child of God. I think I exaggerate this difference. I really sense from her writings that Rand’s characters come to truly love others. So, maybe there really is only one difference and his name is Jesus.

BTW I think the movie “Life of Pi” did a good job in contrasting belief in God and belief in reason. The rational self and the emotional self are both valid and both good. And, it is important to tie one’s emotions to reality.


23 posted on 06/06/2013 11:31:22 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: Joe 6-pack

ping


24 posted on 06/06/2013 11:42:22 AM PDT by definitelynotaliberal
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To: SeekAndFind
To the degree that the Bible and Ayn Rand's books both try to establish laws, proscribe attitudes, and lay down a basis for social life, there are similarities, but from that point of departure they go to very different places.

If you're a Christian, you're bound to think of Rand as (at best) rudimentary and incomplete. If you're a Randian, you'll probably think of Christianity as wrong-headed.

25 posted on 06/06/2013 11:47:56 AM PDT by x
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To: Redmen4ever
RE: the objective truth is that we are made to be free.

MADE? Under Ayn Rand Philosophy's, by Who?
26 posted on 06/06/2013 11:57:57 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: oldtimer
This confuses both the public and LE that gets bulletins alerting them of potential terrorists.
27 posted on 06/06/2013 12:04:49 PM PDT by roofgoat
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To: SeekAndFind
Under Ayn Rand Philosophy's, by Who?

I can't see what difference it makes. It's like knowing how old you are--you just have to take someone's word for it. If you are off by a year or two, who cares? What's important is that you always know what you are doing and why.

28 posted on 06/06/2013 12:23:43 PM PDT by Misterioso (It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing - Duke Ellington)
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To: SeekAndFind

bump


29 posted on 06/06/2013 12:31:25 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: roofgoat

What year is that pickup? Looks like it has lead a hard life.


30 posted on 06/06/2013 12:40:00 PM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: Redmen4ever
"The rational self and the emotional self are both valid and both good. And, it is important to tie one’s emotions to reality."

Logic and emotion are both gifts from God; I suspect they were intended to balance our souls, and placing more emphasis on one over the other seems to invariably lead to dysfunction.

31 posted on 06/06/2013 12:51:00 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Per Rand, it - the Creator - is nature, nature made us rational. The only way we can live at all is by our mind, and by using our mind we can live exceedingly well.

Let me digress. In the Jewish perspective both we and the animals are animated or move, hence we both have souls. But, we have a distinctly human soul. The missing link is not to be found in bones. It is all around us. The smartest animals register something like an IQ of 40. An IQ of 60 would be an imbecile amongst us humans. We are amazingly off the charts. There is a huge enormous gap or missing link between us and the closest thing to us. So, simply on a scientific basis, without invoking any religious reference, we are amazing. It appears, in particular, that we are pre-wired for language and for reasoning. Now, I will interject that in addition to our wonderful mind, we humans are equipped with a couple marvelous hands. To be sure, so are some other creatures. But, the combination of our mind and our bodies to include our hands enables us to act by which I mean to purposely do things that make the future probability of things different. OK, ignore probability, let’s just say make the future different. For example, we can fashion a tool. With a tool, we can become more efficient in our work. Imagining that possibility, we forego immediate satisfaction and make ourselves better off in the future. There you have it. We are neither ruled by instinct nor by immediate gratification. Hence, we are moral creatures with the power to choose between right and wrong. Ayn Rand argues that right and wrong are not choices, or social mores, or pronouncements from on high, but are scientific facts and that acting based on morality is the most selfish thing you can do.

There is a certain emotional hollowness to the argument. You are honest, productive, prudent, courageous, etc., because you are selfish. Kind of turns everything upside down, doesn’t it?


32 posted on 06/06/2013 12:51:54 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: upchuck

upchcik, 1980 Ford F250 Ranger (yes Ranger which at the time was a trim level).

it’s a daily driver. As reliable as a new Honda Accord except that instead of getting 32mpg, it gets 32ypg (yards per gallon).


33 posted on 06/06/2013 12:53:22 PM PDT by roofgoat
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To: roofgoat

sorry for the typo on your name Upchuck. Breaking up a fight amongst my 2 kids right now.


34 posted on 06/06/2013 12:56:26 PM PDT by roofgoat
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To: roofgoat
32ypg :)

I was guessing 1982. How many hundreds of thousands of miles?

35 posted on 06/06/2013 12:58:18 PM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: Redmen4ever

RE: Per Rand, it - the Creator - is nature, nature made us rational. The only way we can live at all is by our mind, and by using our mind we can live exceedingly well.

Well, that’s all relative isn’t it, this “living well” thing?

If I decide that I want to be more like a Nazi because nature made me the way I am, what “objective” natural law tells me this is irrational?

Let’s put it this way to Ayn Rand -— if we came as a result of random collision of matter and atoms, then a random collision of atoms called Nazis just happened to “hit on” a random collision of atoms called “Jews”... why is this not “living exceedingly well” for the Nazis?


36 posted on 06/06/2013 1:03:06 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Joe 6-pack

Thank you, yes, emotion and reason, being from God, are good. But, we generally feel reason is more secure and emotion more prone to error. As Christians, we want to discipline our emotions during the good times, so that they help us to deal with the tough times. Rand would say we want to fall in love with what is good. Yet, in her novels, it doesn’t always work out that way. Rand’s characters are flawed. But, aren’t we all. In Christianity, we say there is forgiveness. For us, the victory is won and our salvation is secure. In Rand’s novels, there is drama.

Look, I am very forgiving of Rand. She wrote at a time when socialism was ascendent and the church corrupted by Marxist thinking. So, she was strong against collectivism and strong for the heroic individual, when that was what was needed. Today things are different, or are they? The prior Pope skipped over Centisimus Anus in his social teachings and returned the Catholic Church to its accommodation with the welfare state, or so it seems. And this current Pope doesn’t sound like an advocate for free market capitalism. So, if church leaders are so wrong on matters of economics and physical science, why is Ayn Rand held to the standard of perfection?


37 posted on 06/06/2013 1:05:44 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: Misterioso

RE: I can’t see what difference it makes.

Well I think I can.

If we simply exist because of nature, then our ultimate end is the same regardless of whether we decide to be like Ayn Rand or Osama Bin Ladin.

Since one’s destiny is ultimately unrelated to one’s behavior, you may as well just live as you please. As Dostoyevsky put it: “If there is no immortality then all things are permitted.”

On this basis, a writer like Ayn Rand is absolutely correct to praise the virtues of selfishness. Live totally for self; no one holds you accountable!

Indeed, it would be foolish to do anything else, for life is too short to jeopardize it by acting out of anything but pure self-interest. Sacrifice for another person would be stupid.

In which case, I don’t see why either desiring to subscribe to Ayn Rand’s philosophy or not would matter in the end if her idea of how we came into being is right.

For in Ayn rand’s universe, REAL good and evil, rationality or irrationality do not exist. There is only the bare valueless fact of existence, and there is no one to say you are right and I am wrong.


38 posted on 06/06/2013 1:09:14 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Do the two most influential books in modern culture, the Bible and Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged, share common ground?"

The metaphysics and epistemology of Objectivism and Christianity are irreconcilable, but they are allies in the war against statism and socialism.

39 posted on 06/06/2013 1:09:18 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: upchuck
Only 150K. She's rusty, the bed has some rust holes too but I can haul a ton of firewood back there. Most nights I go down to my small pasture and smoke a cigar and have a few oils and when I go back home up some pretty steep trail, I just put her in 1st and don't have to touch the gas. Climbs like a goat due to the granny gear.
40 posted on 06/06/2013 1:16:20 PM PDT by roofgoat
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To: SeekAndFind

Your point is well taken. Lincoln made the same point this way: The fox and the sheep see “freedom” differently.

I’ll try to make the best argument I can on behalf of Rand: whoever might be the Nazis today can’t be sure they will be the Nazis forever. So, at some point, it will be in the interest of the ruling class to establish the rule of law so that people will be secure in their person and property. Thus, Benjamin Franklin said no man’s freedom is secure if any man is a slave. In historical fact, however, not many rulers or slaveowners were persuaded by this logic.

The advance of freedom has occurred mostly by the consolidation of random opportunities. This is why I am not giving up on this country. America isn’t the world’s last, best hope. America is the world’s only hope. If we lose out to the socialists, mankind will return to the dark ages.

Now I will quote Reagan. It is as though God raised up the Americas from the great ocean to be a place of refuge for all the freedom loving people of the world. More so, so that the freedom-loving people could have a place to gather and multiply their strength through the creativity that only free people have, and to kick ass with the slaveholders and the Nazis and the Communists and the other bastards out there. As for the Pope, the last war the Pope blessed was the fascist side of the Spanish civil war, so I’m not holding my breadth waiting for his blessing.


41 posted on 06/06/2013 1:19:00 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: roofgoat

and just so I try to stay on topic, I read Atlas so long ago I don’t remember everything well except I got sick of the woman (Dagney?) and her inner fight on and on and on regarding when to throw in the towel.

My biggest take away from the book, if I remember correctly, was how the public reacted to the economy crumbling and who they blamed for it. Just like today. Don’t blame the cause.


42 posted on 06/06/2013 1:21:16 PM PDT by roofgoat
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To: oldtimer
Rarely get a reaction from other drivers.

LOL! I have a number of Atlas-themed polos that I wear to work. Every now and then, I'll get a positive remark from someone's who read the book. The vast majority of the time, I get a quizzical look.

43 posted on 06/06/2013 1:27:30 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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To: Redmen4ever; Publius; SeekAndFind
Thanks for posting this thread, there are many insightful points in the responses.

The title of the book being reviewed, The Soul of Atlas, keys in to the very essence of the matter, the Soul.

Redmen4ever eloquently states - (edited for length, not content) 'In the Jewish perspective both we and the animals are animated or move, hence we both have souls. But, we have a distinctly human soul. The missing link is not to be found in bones. It is all around us. The smartest animals register something like an IQ of 40. An IQ of 60 would be an imbecile amongst us humans. We are amazingly off the charts. There is a huge enormous gap or missing link between us and the closest thing to us. So, simply on a scientific basis, without invoking any religious reference, we are amazing.'

I would like to add that while I agree to the categorical differences stated, we humans are inherently myopic in this regard. The sheer vastness of the universe virtually guarantees us a spot near the bottom of the charts almost imperceptibly different from the 'imbecile' neighbors. That being stated, please understand that it shows just how petty our differences are in the eyes of our Creator.

Continuing on ...'the combination of our mind and our bodies to include our hands enables us to act... ...and make ourselves better off in the future.'

How the meaning of 'ourselves' is understood provides insight into Rands position. Is it to be taken as improving our own selves and thus through summation the betterment of all or is it to be taken as for the good of the collection of selves, without individual merit?

Finishing up ...'There you have it. We are neither ruled by instinct nor by immediate gratification. Hence, we are moral creatures with the power to choose between right and wrong. Ayn Rand argues that right and wrong are not choices, or social mores, or pronouncements from on high, but are scientific facts and that acting based on morality is the most selfish thing you can do.'

Rands unfortunate use of the word 'selfish' is due ,I believe, to the limits of English language. The intent is to provide a focus that unless one prospers it is not possible to help others but instead is a continual struggle to maintain a day to day existence. Charity begins at home.

44 posted on 06/06/2013 2:20:47 PM PDT by whodathunkit
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To: Redmen4ever

I think you make several good points. Miss Rand did say that the Christian tenet to love one’s neighbor as oneself is at the very least rational because it does permit one to love one’s self.


45 posted on 06/06/2013 3:02:35 PM PDT by TradicalRC (Conservatism is primarily a Christian movement.)
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To: Redmen4ever
"...why is Ayn Rand held to the standard of perfection?"

I don't hold Rand to the standard of perfection. I just find some deep flaws in her overarching philosophy. Rand is like an art historian at an archaelogical dig. She may have found a few amulets, vases, sculptures etc., which she understands with great vision and clarity, but fails to grasp their role and significance in the greater context of the site.

Specifically, her views on abortion *rights*, I find abhorrent and repulsive from both a logical and emotional standpoint. Furthermore, the historical record strongly suggests that her contempt for the notions of altruism and self-sacrifice, are unworkable at best and self-defeating at worst.

46 posted on 06/06/2013 4:36:34 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Sorry for my obtuse response. I meant: what difference does it make how we come into being? The journey is the same for everyone. We can imagine what our origin is, but it is up to us to maintain our existence. We can imagine a set of 'rules' but they are only as good as long as they correspond to reality. So one's destiny IS related to one's behavior and you cannot ignore reality without jeopardizing your survival. Does this sound logical to you?
47 posted on 06/06/2013 4:43:49 PM PDT by Misterioso (It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing - Duke Ellington)
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To: SeekAndFind

BTW, I get the impression Henderson never read Atlas Shrugged. If somewhere he says he did and offers some kind of interpretation or critique, I’ll stand corrected.


48 posted on 06/06/2013 4:48:34 PM PDT by Misterioso (It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing - Duke Ellington)
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To: SeekAndFind
On this basis, a writer like Ayn Rand is absolutely correct to praise the virtues of selfishness. Live totally for self; no one holds you accountable!

Oh, nonsense. You obviously don't know a thing about Rand's philosophy but just upchuck bits and pieces you've read.

Rand believed that man's only moral obligation is to himself and to those to whom he freely obligates himself. If people followed that dictum, we would be much better off as a society.

Wouldn't you agree?

FReepers who wish to comment on Rand's philosophy would do well to put "Atlas Shrugged" back on the bookshelf and read one of her dozens of non-fiction books and a couple of her hundreds of essays.

49 posted on 06/06/2013 5:11:27 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Don't try to explain yourself to liberals; you're not the jackass-whisperer.)
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To: roofgoat

Perfect!


50 posted on 06/06/2013 6:05:28 PM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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