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Finally, A Logical Explanation for ‘Once Saved, Always Saved’
The Christian Diarist ^ | June 16, 2013 | JP

Posted on 06/16/2013 6:39:19 AM PDT by CHRISTIAN DIARIST

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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST
That is the first you heard of the judgment seat of Christ?

What are the churches teaching?

101 posted on 06/16/2013 6:17:05 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Treeless Branch
So according to this pastor the saved Fornicators get to go to heaven where they get to continue to fornicate.

I do not think he accepts that at all. I surely do not.

102 posted on 06/16/2013 7:09:56 PM PDT by Mark17 (My heart is in the Philippines, and soon I will be too.)
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To: BigCinBigD

Gullible. Yep.......that’s me. Gullible. Have a nice day.


103 posted on 06/16/2013 7:57:46 PM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: paulist

Rather, God gives DIRECTIVES, which is another word for COMMANDS, which is ONE AND THE SAME.


104 posted on 06/17/2013 3:30:58 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Jonty30

Paul talks about believers falling away. He even speaks of the inability for Christ to be crucified again.
There will be no atheists in Heaven, even if they did walk the aisle as a teen.


105 posted on 06/17/2013 3:33:34 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

It doesn’t even matter if someone altogether abandons their Christian faith.


God reads the hearts, the rest of us can only read the lips or the actions.

Many of us may pay penalty’s in this life for our actions or our words.

Some of those penalty’s may be brought about by our own actions, some by God or some by the devil.

John 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

God is the only one who knows who believes in him with the exceptions of those we know died for him.


106 posted on 06/17/2013 5:46:51 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: Iscool

The Bible can be used to teach and justify all kinds of beliefs. Just because something sounds good to us, doesn’t make it sound doctrine.


107 posted on 06/17/2013 6:29:49 AM PDT by CityCenter (Pleading the 5th is just so 1972.)
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To: CityCenter
The Bible can be used to teach and justify all kinds of beliefs.

Yes it can, and rightly so...

Just because something sounds good to us, doesn’t make it sound doctrine.

And that's just exactly what you are doing...

108 posted on 06/17/2013 9:10:55 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Mercat
ooooo sounds like Purgatory

No, there is critical and salvific difference btwn having to become good enough for heaven thru purifying torments commencing at death, and the necessity to have true faith which manifests "things which accompany salvation," 'fruits meet [fitting] fort repentance." (Acts 26:20)

Purgatory is based on salvation by grace thru merit, in which certain souls are good enough to go to be with the Lord at death, while others go to purgatory to atone for sins and become perfect enough to see God.

Scripturally, one is justified by faith, which will effect obedience towards its Object, and is exhorted to abide in Christ, and warned against casting away this faith and drawing back unto perdition, making Christ of none effect. (Heb. 3:14; 10:16-39; Gal. 5:1-4) One either has saving faith at death and thus goes to be with the Lord at death or they do not and go to Hell.

Nowhere does Scripture tell of believers being in a place of suffering for a time commencing at death, but while the tormented postmortem state of the lost is clear, in accordance with accountability, and relevant to grace given, (Lk. 10:12-14; 12:48; Rv. 20:11-15) the only clear references to the postmortem place the elect souls refer to them being with the Lord. Not only would the penitent criminal go to "paradise" (Lk. 23:43; cf. 2Cor. 12:4; Rv. 2:7) as well as Paul and be with the Lord upon their passing, (Phil 1:23; 2Cor. 5:8: “we”) but so would every resurrected/raptured Corinthian (1Cor. 15:51ff) or Thessalonian, “to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.” (1Thess. 4:17) even though the former in particular were in need of greater purification, (2Cor. 7:1) though not all were believers. (2Cor. 13:5)

Expressed more fully, The apostle Paul, while he told the Philippians that was he not “already perfect,” (Phil. 3:12) was yet torn by two desires, “to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better ,or to abide in the flesh to minister to the saints. (Phil. 1:23,24)

Likewise he stated to the Corinthians, "We [plural] are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord." (2 Corinthians 5:8)

In addition, the Thessalonians, which were still undergoing growth in grace toward perfection, were assured that if the Lord returned, which they expected in their lifetime, so would they “ever be with the Lord.” (1Thes. 4:17)

To which is added the contrite confessing criminal on the cross who went to be with the Lord upon his physical death, (Lk. 23:43; cf. 2Cor. 12:4; Rv. 2:7) as did Stephen. (Acts 7:59)

And we may be certain that the contrite confessing criminal had not yet attained moral perfection, which is one reason given for purgatory, the other being the need to atone for sins which the believer was not sufficiently chastised for in this life in compensating for them, and thus Rome teaches that such must atone for “in the life beyond through fire and torments or purifying' punishments.” (Indulgentiarum Doctrina; cp. 1. 1967)

In addition, Paul describes the passing from this life as being “clothed upon with our house which is from heaven,” to be with the Lord, which is something to earnestly be desired, and is in contrast to our groaning on earth. (2Cor. 5:1-4)

Furthermore, Scripture only reveals growth in grace and overcoming as being realized in this world, with its temptations and trials, (1 Peter 1:6-7; 1Jn.2:14; 5:4,5; Rv. 2.7,11,17,26; 3:5,12,21) where alternatives to submitting to God can be made (suffering itself does not make one mature) and thus it was here that the Lord Himself was made “perfect,” (Heb. 2:10) as in being “in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.” (Heb. 4:15)

Thus what Scripture teaches is that it is on earth that testing and overcoming takes place, and that the elect go to be with the Lord upon death, or at His return, whichever comes first, and then they are judged as to the manner of works, reflecting their faith, and rewarded or suffer loss of rewards. . That is only because it recognizes that

109 posted on 06/17/2013 7:09:43 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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