Skip to comments.Alan Chambers Apologizes to Gay Community, Exodus International to Shut Down
Posted on 06/20/2013 11:59:18 AM PDT by HokieMom
UPDATE: Hours after apology, Exodus International announces plans to close and begin a separate ministry. Melissa Steffan
Update (June 19): Exodus International announced Wednesday night it will shut down and start a separate ministry for a "new generation."
Were not negating the ways God used Exodus to positively affect thousands of people, but a new generation of Christians is looking for change and they want to be heard, said board member Tony Moore.
The announcement came hours after issuing an apology to the gay community. At the time, Exodus leaders had shared little about their next steps, and the website for the new organization, reducefear.org, did not reveal any details.
Exodus president Alan Chambers has since told The Atlantic that their next initiative "won't have anything to do with the issue of ex-gay." He discussed the need for unifying dialogue, name-dropping Christians like blogger Rachel Held Evans and retired Bishop Gene Robinson.
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I have had conversations with Alan but I believe he is wrong on this. I believe he has good intentions but I think this is more an expression of weariness.
Why not simply fold up shop & retire?
Alan has his own issues. I wish he would or simply turn it over to Randy Thomas who I believe would make a better steward for the org.
Is the apology for saying that the Bible says that God frowns upon homosexuality, or is it for the way they approached the issue?
Sounds like complete surrender to the homosexual agenda...
Yep. Sad. Interesting to see who stands firm and who chooses to capitulate.
Good riddance to an apostate “ministry”.
Hopefully, the Lord will raise up another ministry committed to redemption.
“but a new generation of Christians is looking for change and they want to be heard”
Hmmmm how about, “...the same yesterday, today and forever”? And isn’t it God’s voice that Christians should be concerned about being heard?
Don’t like the action nor the reasons given. Uphold the Word of God, especially when you have taken a very public position of doing so. This looks and feels like capitulation and retreat.
Exodus started when most churches wouldn't touch homosexual ministry. Now that many will, Exodus has lost it's edge.
Even if it isn't, it will by cast as such by the Homo-MSM.
Even if it isn't, it will by cast as such by the Homo-MSM.
Like the Boy Scouts, Exodus became “all about the money” sometime in the last decade or two. Any threat to that new standard had to be dealt with, even if it meant relinquishing values.
There already is one, called "Transforming Congregations" - http://www.transcong.org/ . While originating and working within the United Methodist denomination, TC ministers to the sexually-broken, with an emphasis on homosexuality but not limited to that.
Our organizations have worked together for years to keep the UMC (more-or-less!) on the right, scriptural track as that relates to homosexuality, abortion, and "sexuality" issues in general.
This guy didn’t really make much clear. He still believes what the bible says about homosexual sex & marriage.
Science tells us that being a homosexual is a choice, that it’s genetic or “born this way” is a myth.
Unrepentant sinners are going to hell, so why would he stop trying to help them?
Now if his words meant that they weren’t loving the sinners, that they were refusing to let them in their church, that they were calling them names and belittling them, then yes you should end that ministry.
I agree that he should have just shut up and gone away. His silly apology will be misused by the left to smear the church.
One thing you can tell, without the Bible, is that Homosexuality is not genetic. Every time a gene mod might crop up, it would be nipped in the bud that generation. One thing genetics does say about Homosexuality is that it is a dead end.
Probably getting black mailed.
Just listened to an interview with one of the principals Exodus VP Randy Thomas of this group on a Catholic Radio Station. This is what I got out of it. Seems they think(Randy and others in their group) that their group mission wasnt focused enough on Christ, the good news and salvation but on changing the homosexual. They, in some circles, were viewed of being an actualization of the characterization of what the homosexuals say or demonize about Christians. The focus wasnt on Christ nor chastity but changing the homosexual through ...sexual orientation change efforts and reparative theories about sexual orientation that stigmatized parents.
In contrast, Catholicism preaches chastity for all and love of the sinner, and hate the sin... but not necessarily a church factory dedicated to obliterating homosexual thoughts and tendencies homosexual deconstruction. Forgive me, and thankfully, I am not a expert on this topic.
Look elsewhere for that!
Well the way Alan appears to see it is that he believes “Reparative Therapy” caused pain which is what he is apologizing for. John Paulk also has expressed this view. Alan appears to still believe the idea that homosexual behavior is wrong but he appears to believe that the onus is on Christians to be accepting. He admits to being disengaged in the fight to maintain traditional marriage and I think that is where he has fallen short.
It may be that he is just simply trying to get ahead of the curve and try a different tack but it is dangerously close to being outright endorsement of homosexual behavior which is simply not biblical. There is no room for a Christian endorsed union between homosexuals from a New or Old Testament standpoint. Christ couldn’t have been clearer when he reiterated support of traditional marriage as being that a man leave his parents and cleave to his wife. There are no other options.
As for ‘Reparative’ therapy it is essentially no more harmful than drug rehab. No scientific study has shown otherwise and simple analysis of the techniques used do not indicate any implicit harm. I do believe that in many cases there may have been an overstatement of case towards how completely someone can be free of temptations whether they be homosexual or not. Even the Bible is clear that these sins must be taken to the cross through grace and that its not a one battle fight. What Alan seems oblivious to is the actions of the militant homosexual activists and their attempts to create a world hostile to Christianity and to ideas of sexual restraint.
The whole idea that one is ‘born this way’ runs contrary to the Bible in the sense that to submit to our flesh is exactly the opposite Biblical teaching. Those that don’t see a problem with this are heretics of the highest order. They are not just being accepting to homosexuals they are disregarding the whole concept of the sinful nature that Christ died on the cross to redeem and cover with grace.
This is very serious. Even with the increase in adultery and divorce there has never been this degree of attack on the core of Christian faith.
It doesn’t mean that we should not open ourselves to share the good news with all regardless of their sin but proud sin is not something that should ever be accepted in the church nor the proud indulgence of the flesh. Would we want to celebrate adulterous relationships in the church? Would we want to have people reading pornography in the pews or collecting and placing bets on football teams in Sunday School?
Alan may have a point about how sometimes homosexuals have been treated badly by some who call themselves Christians but he needs to be careful because much of this idea and shifting of blame to Christians is not supported by facts. Most Christians I know and I’ve been to a wide variety of churches across this nation seldom discuss homosexuality. I can barely remember it being covered and it certainly wasn’t obsessed on. I grew up in a semi-rural area and I went to school with a handful of guys who decided they were gay and I know of at least 1 girl who is now a lesbian cop and 1 girl who is a transsexual. None of them were out in school and none had major problems with bullying and people tended to be more religious than not. I dated a girl whose sister was raising her and she was in a lesbian relationship and they had no problems but they were not overt. The point is that most of the social problems with homosexuality derives from the pride part of it.
The only violent episode I know of personally involved a situation with grooming. One of the guys I went to school with was plying two young teens with alcohol and drugs and it eventually came to a head and they killed him. This is something that is far more common and far too causally accepted in parts of the gay community. Homosexuals that simply live their lives quietly and respectfully have seldom had problems. Most of the problems arise from bad behavior or overt sexual impropriety. That is where the line is and that is the point that produces unwelcoming responses.
We are all sinners but when someone is expecting that a church endorse fleshly weakness/imperfection that is heresy whether it be homosexuality, adultery, or any number of other sins. Christ protected the adulteress from stoning but he then said ‘go and sin no more’. That is the example we should all take and that doesn’t seem good enough to many homosexuals. They want a stamp of approval and a get out of sin free card. That isn’t what Christianity is about. Christianity is about redemption of sin through grace not acceptance of sin as good through grace. Too many are confused on this and many issues.
Its not and they know it. Even with identical twins the correlation is no more than then the flip of a coin whereas intelligence approaches 70% correlation and I guarantee you’d never get a Democrat to embrace that. Its no more genetic than adultery. :-)
Good to know, thanks.
“They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.” — 1 John 2:19
[[Is the apology for saying that the Bible says that God frowns upon homosexuality, or is it for the way they approached the issue?]]
yopu might as well say that it’s for the bible statign homosexuality is an abomination because thsi is exactly how the gasy agenda is goign to play htis up- Alan did a TREMENDOUS amount of damage to God’s cause by essentially capitulating to the gay agenda by insinuating, however slightly, that people are ‘born gay’ and that Christians have no right ‘prayign htat they betray soemthign they can’t help’ accordign to them-
The gay agenda has been furious- foamign at htem outh furious for many years because peopel who turn to God find out htey are NOT born gay- and now Alan has surrendered this FACT to the gay agenda in one fell swoop-
NO longer will a group be able to claim “Jesus can help you overcome your unnatural desires’ because now everytime a group tries to do so, they will be mercilessly attackesd and this decision by Alan will be referred to as their ‘proof’ that Christians are heteful biggots who try to force peopel to act agaisnt hteir ‘true nature’
But perhaps all this is moot because it’s very possible that the man of lawlessness is beign let loose and God is gettign ready to pass judgement- Everywhere we look, morality is being attacked, assailed and dismantled, and Alan was just another pawn in the overall scheme of htings- Just the boy scouts of America were- just like gay clergy beign allowedi n certain denominatiosn were- just like gay marriage is- just likew the homosexual agenda beign forced on kids in public schools is- The damage he has done to the Cause of God’s word can’t be understated, however, God knew it was goign to happen and He has a purpose for such betrayals
[[Homosexuals that simply live their lives quietly and respectfully have seldom had problems. Most of the problems arise from bad behavior or overt sexual impropriety.]]
VERY few live quiet unremarkable lives- most gay peopel are predators- most gay peopel have multiple victims/partners- many gay peopel are what htey call chicken hawks- older men or women who go about preyign on young children- many gay peopel cruise organizations like adoption agencies and foster organizations for their victims- A stunning 80% of gay peopel surveyed admitted to pedophilia more than once i ntheir life-
[[As for Reparative therapy it is essentially no more harmful than drug rehab. No scientific study has shown otherwise and simple analysis of the techniques used do not indicate any implicit harm.]]
The damage that Alan did was to legitimize the gay agenda’s lie that peopel are born gay and will suffer irreprable damage if they betray their gayness- Now every time a Christian organization tries to help a gay person, they will be assailed by the gay agenda who will be wastchign them liek a chicken hawk waitign for Chritians to ‘try pushign hteir hatred on gay people’- They are now goign to be very much liek hte ACLU- cosntantly watchign and waiting for a ‘violation to hte rights of gasy people’ fortryign to help them overcome their sexual deviency.
Everytiem an organization tries to help a gay person overcoem hteir unnatural lusts, the gay agenda will spit fire and scream and point to Alan’s actions in order to falslely ligitimize their case-
[[What Alan seems oblivious to is the actions of the militant homosexual activists and their attempts to create a world hostile to Christianity and to ideas of sexual restraint.]]
I am watchign with increasing sadness as this world devolves rapidly into an immoral cesspool as one ‘christian’ after another capitulate to the militant homosexual crowds, and as I watch one ‘Republican’ after another give up the fight and capitulate to hte left- We as a nation are slowly but surely dyign to 1000 paper cuts.
“Its no more genetic than adultery. :-)”
Darwinists are now arguing that we “evolved” to have several sex partners. We are no better than animals after all, so why have limits?
Yes that is where the argument goes but that assumes that what is “natural” for animals or natural from a base level is natural or good for humanity. Most human beings have tended to attach themselves to single mates and there are many documented advantages for this. Hygiene as we see it today is unnatural too but only if you separate nature from what humans do which is silly.