Posted on 07/14/2013 3:02:43 PM PDT by NYer
Ping!
Saint Skittles?
Where does the Bible say that the Bible says everything?
I do enjoy axing the older folks if they believe in ghosts. They better!
We are actually forbidden to talk to the dead; Saul was reprimanded for calling Elijah up to talk to him.
So it can be done, but we are not supposed to do it.
Are there any “living saints”?
Not a very good article.
In the end, here’s what we have...
1. Straw man argument about being “dead”.
2. “Departed saints” is a better term.
3. The Bible does not encourage praying to departed saints.
4. The Bible does not show an example of praying or talking to a departed saint.
5. The Bible doesn’t command praying to departed saints.
6. There is no record that any Apostle or 1st century Christian prayed to a departed saint.
7. There is no evidence that the departed saints hear what you say to them.
8. Pretending a departed saint hears you doesn’t mean they do. It is an argument from silence.
9. If this was a powerful, wonderful Christian practice, why is it never mentioned in the Scriptures that are able to make a person of God mature/complete?
10. Cults love communicating with the dead.
OK, if we accept the premise that the “saints” are alive but not of this world anymore. Why should we pray to another person, whether they be on earth or in heaven?
“Are there any “living saints”?”
Every believer in Christ who has entrusted himself to Him is a saint - now.
The answer to both questions is NOWHERE.
;-)
“where does the Bible say we should pray to dead saints?”
where does the Bible say we should pray to anyone but God?
Where does the Bible say that the Bible says everything?
“16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.” (2 Tim 3:16)
“18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” (Revelation 22:18-19)
Lots more but that sort of sums it up.
Extremely specious arguments. How is it logical to conclude that “the spirits of the dead are in paradise, therefore, they are omnipresent and omniscient on Earth, capable of hearing my prayers and aiding me?”
Nowhere in scripture does it state that we are to pray to the saints in heaven. In fact, the prayer of David in his Psalms is to his God, not to anyone else. Christ instructs us to pray “to our Father who art in heaven.” We are commanded to “pray in the name of Jesus Christ” for to receive blessings from the Father. The Holy Spirit is said to “intercede” on our behalf.
This is a truly pathetic and weak article.
Is the Bible the pillar of truth for a Christian?
The Holy Scriptures alone are God-breathed and able to make a man of God complete. Hopefully, the Church does it’s job in holding up the veracity of God’s Word.
I’m sure that ridiculous assertion makes you two feel good. There certainly is no history of the English in the Bible, or instructions on Chemistry. However, for all Christian purposes, it is complete:
2Ti 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (17) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
If it is capable of making the “man of God... perfect, thouroughly furnished unto all good works,” it doesn’t sound like there is anything else we need, unless there is some level beyond perfect.
Since the Roman Catholic Church waits until after someone is dead before that person is declared to be a saint, I thought that the term “dead saint” might be redundant like “ATM Machine”.
I guess the great Joan of Arc (Jehanne T’arc) should not have spoken to Archangel Michael & St. Catherine to lift the siege of Orleans. But it certainly works for me!
Gee, I wonder how the Apostles and first Christians survived without that Bible?
Um..one other thing...where does the Bible state that it contains the COMPLETE teachings and/or that we need nothing else?
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