Posted on 07/14/2013 3:02:43 PM PDT by NYer
Do Catholics take classes on how to put words in other people's mouths?
Believers are instructed to take their dispute first to the brother with whom they have the dispute. If he won't listen, then the believer is commanded to take 2-3 other believers with him to try to settle the dispute.
If that doesn't work, then he is to take it before the local body of believers.
Who has the authority to resolve disputes? Those who are spiritual. The answer which is found in Scripture.
I don’t see that the two things cancel each other out.
You know, the average Spirit filled believer has enough guidance from the Holy SPirit and Scripture to settle disputes without some hierarchy of clergy holding their hand.
Honestly, is the nothing that the average Catholic is capable of doing without being told by the Church that they're not good enough, or capable, or whatever? The Catholic church clearly doesn't trust its adherents to have the discernment of an ice cube.
Ok, what’s it called? What’s the name for it?
CynicalBear belongs to the same assembly as I do...
So, then. Give me a phone number. :)
Bible doesn't say that at all...
Yeah, he did. “Upon this rock I will build my church - talking to St. Peter, himself.”
I realize you interpret this passage contrary to what the text actually says, but then, you didn’t write the text so you are free to interpret however you fancy.
God said he'd preserve his words forever...I believe him...
Has anyone proven that any of the 66 books of the Protestant bible don't belong there???
Nope...
Has anyone proven the extra books in the Catholic bible don't belong there...
Yessirree...
Those extra books are proven to be wrong geographically, contain contradictions and outright untruths...
So we can rest assured that they were not put there under God's guidance or inspiration...
“Has anyone proven that any of the 66 books of the Protestant bible don’t belong there”
Has anyone proven that the book of mormon doesn’t belong there?
What is a 'rule of faith'???
I know that without the bible, there'd be nothing but paganism...And I know that without the Catholic religion we'd still have the bible and Christianity...
Utter nonsense.
In I Tim 3:15 the word church in the phrase “church of hte living God” is ‘ekklesia’ the standard word for church in the New Testament.
If St. Paul had meant ‘synagogue’, that is itself a Greek word.
It it the Church of the living God which is the pillar and the ground of the truth.
By the time Marcion came on the scene, the entire bible had been preached to countless people in the known world...
God said he'd preserve his words...I don't see anywhere in the scriptures where Jesus told the apostles and desciples, 'Good luck figuring all this out'...And I didn't see where Jesus told anyone they would be leaderless in knowing what to teach and preach for a few hundred years when the Catholic religion would figure it out for him and let them know...
It would be refreshing to see a bit of logical thought follow the Scriptural quotes...for example the apostle Paul told Timothy that the church was a pillar and ground of the truth. (1 Tim. 3:15) but why go that next step and show what that “truth” was?
“Your word is truth”, said Jesus (John 17:17) referring to the Hebrew or OT Scriptures.
So for this thread that's already more than I intended. Cheers!
My opinion??? You want to show us in the scriptures where Mary is sinless??? You want to show us where Peter became a pope, or even suggested such a thing, or where purgatory is???
It has nothing to do with opinion...
What do you mean by a 'family tree' and a 'community of faith'...Faith in what???
“told anyone they would be leaderless in knowing what to teach and preach for a few hundred years when the Catholic religion would figure it out for him”
You’re right about that. Which is why the Catholic church teaches Apostolic succession - that the authority of the magisterium derives from the Apostles. The Apostles ordained bishops who ordained other bishops and so on and so forth.
The question I have for you - is if you sincerely believe that the children of God would not be left leaderless, how do you cross that 15 hundred year gap between Christ and Luther? I’m curious.
Which is why Jesus left a book catalog telling people which books were inspired.
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Does an All-Powerful God have enough power to choose to enable some of His creatures to hear as many prayers as God wants them to hear, or does an All-Powerful God NOT have enough power to enable that?
Exactly...We (and they) don't know for certain that anyone we might pray to in heaven is actually there...Aside from Jesus, that is...
This obviously conflicts with the words of Jesus in Luke 6:23 about some of the dead -- "your reward is great in heaven".
The book of Ecclesiastes also says that all the works done under the sun are vanity. (Ecclesiastes 1:14, and in many other texts in that book.) Does "all" there really mean "all"?
Was the birth of Jesus vanity?
Were the works of Jesus vanity?
Were the crucifixion and death of Jesus vanity?
Was His resurrection vanity?
The book of Ecclesiastes must be read as part of the poetic wisdom writing, written from a particular perspective, and with a specific knowledge base, realizing it often uses poetic exaggerations to make teaching points. (otherwise, you would be calling Jesus a liar, and saying His work was all vanity, just like everything else.)
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