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PCUSA Rejects Hymn “In Christ Alone”
caffinated thoughts ^ | Shane Vander Hart

Posted on 08/01/2013 11:26:43 AM PDT by Morgana

Timothy George reports the PCUSA Presbyterian Committee on Congregational Song voted against including the popular hymn “In Christ Alone” from their latest hymnal. He writes:

Recently, the wrath of God became a point of controversy in the decision of the Presbyterian Committee on Congregational Song to exclude from its new hymnal the much-loved song “In Christ Alone” by Keith Getty and Stuart Townend. The Committee wanted to include this song because it is being sung in many churches, Presbyterian and otherwise, but they could not abide this line from the third stanza: “Till on that cross as Jesus died/the wrath of God was satisfied.” For this they wanted to substitute: “…as Jesus died/the love of God was magnified.” The authors of the hymn insisted on the original wording, and the Committee voted nine to six that “In Christ Alone” would not be among the eight hundred or so items in their new hymnal.

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TOPICS: Mainline Protestant; Worship
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I don't understand this one at all.
1 posted on 08/01/2013 11:26:43 AM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

I side with the musicians.


2 posted on 08/01/2013 11:34:23 AM PDT by alancarp (Obama will grab your guns and ship them to Mexican drug mobs.)
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To: Morgana

Morgana:
“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” (H. Richard Niebuhr)
is the theology of those who control the PCUSA.

If you attend a PCUSA church, no matter how sound that individual congregation is....you are tacitly supporting the apostasy controling the larger denomination.


3 posted on 08/01/2013 11:34:35 AM PDT by AnalogReigns (because the real world is not digital...)
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To: AnalogReigns
Not a lot of time left to be messing with that sort of thing.

Introduction to the Messages

4 posted on 08/01/2013 11:48:41 AM PDT by GBA (Our obamanation: Romans 1:18-32)
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To: Morgana

Although the Methodist hymnal, which was revised in 1989, added some good hymns such as Robert Lowry’s “Shall We Gather at the River?” that were not in previous editions, it excluded a number of favorites such as “Eternal Father, Strong to Save” and added politically correct lyrics to others—”God of Our Fathers” is now “God of the Ages,” and “Good Christian Men Rejoice” is now “Good Christian Friends Rejoice.”


5 posted on 08/01/2013 12:00:41 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Morgana

Another reason to leave this “church” of Satan, in addition to their alliance with headcutters against Israel.


6 posted on 08/01/2013 12:01:59 PM PDT by montag813 (NO AMNESTY * ENFORCE THE LAW * http://StandWithArizona.com)
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To: Morgana
I don't understand this one at all.

I know people who have an aversion to "Amazing Grace" for similar reasons.

7 posted on 08/01/2013 12:07:33 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Thus, my opponent's argument falls.")
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To: Morgana

The best part, of one of my a favorite songs - and they want to change it? These people must be spritually dead.

It’s such a beautiful song!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlZGRydoUpQ


8 posted on 08/01/2013 12:22:24 PM PDT by lowtaxsmallgov (This Administration has absolutely no idea how to grow an economy)
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To: Morgana; GBA; Alex Murphy; montag813; AnalogReigns

When He shall come with trumpet sound,
Oh, may I then in Him be found;
In Him, my righteousness, alone,
Faultless to stand before the throne.


9 posted on 08/01/2013 12:25:50 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: Morgana

Hey, you should see the difference between the latest Blue book and the old Red one.

We kept the Red ones next to the Blue ones because all the songs we liked the best were in the Red one.

PCUSA going PC as fast as it can.


10 posted on 08/01/2013 12:26:35 PM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: Morgana

Here’s the lyrics of the song... which one do they object to?

_______________________________________

In Christ alone my hope is found
He is my light, my strength, my song
This Cornerstone, this solid ground
Firm through the fiercest drought and storm

What heights of love, what depths of peace
When fears are stilled, when strivings cease
My Comforter, my All in All
Here in the love of Christ I stand

In Christ alone, who took on flesh
Fullness of God in helpless Babe
This gift of love and righteousness
Scorned by the ones He came to save

‘Til on that cross as Jesus died
The wrath of God was satisfied
For every sin on Him was laid
Here in the death of Christ I live, I live

There in the ground His body lay
Light of the world by darkness slain
Then bursting forth in glorious Day
Up from the grave He rose again

And as He stands in victory
Sin’s curse has lost its grip on me
For I am His and He is mine
Bought with the precious blood of Christ

No guilt in life, no fear in death
This is the power of Christ in me
From a life’s first cry to final breath
Jesus commands my destiny

No power of hell, no scheme of man
Could ever pluck me from His hand
‘Til He returns or calls me home
Here in the power of Christ I stand

I will stand, I will stand
All other ground is sinking sand
All other ground, all other ground
Is sinking sand, is sinking sand
So I stand


11 posted on 08/01/2013 12:38:59 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Morgana

Diminishing the reality of sin and its ramifications in the world not only ignores the important thing like REALITY. It also detracts from the importance of the crucifixion.

You cannot have an understanding of salvation if you do not accept the reality of sin.


12 posted on 08/01/2013 12:48:22 PM PDT by Bayard
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To: Morgana

They worship satan and not GOD.

LLS


13 posted on 08/01/2013 12:54:21 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: AnalogReigns

That is not a Christian ideology


14 posted on 08/01/2013 12:55:33 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: SeekAndFind
Here’s the lyrics of the song... which one do they object to?

This one:

‘Til on that cross as Jesus died
The wrath of God was satisfied

15 posted on 08/01/2013 12:57:35 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Thus, my opponent's argument falls.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Like I said I have no clue. I’m not a member of this church so I have no idea what is going on in their heads.


16 posted on 08/01/2013 12:58:58 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Alex Murphy

RE: This one:

‘Til on that cross as Jesus died
The wrath of God was satisfied

_______________________

OK to the PCUSA, Christ did for what purpose then?


17 posted on 08/01/2013 1:05:13 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind; All

The PCUSA is apostate, plain and simple.

However, just to be fair... not all conservative, (otherwise)orthodox Christians accept the biblical idea that Jesus satisfied the wrath of God against Man’s sin on calvary. Some, see Jesus death as an ultimate example of selflessness...or, a declaration of victory over sin and the devil (Eastern Orthodox), or Jesus life paying a ransom to free us.... or any of a number of things.

Penal substitutionary atonement is, after all, not the ONLY thing Jesus did on the cross—however, I agree, it is the key legal/forensic work Jesus accomplished there—along with a lot of other things—as the cross was the ultimate human (and divine) achievement, and is of a very mysterious nature.


18 posted on 08/01/2013 10:30:54 PM PDT by AnalogReigns (because the real world is not digital...)
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To: GeronL
“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” (H. Richard Niebuhr) is the theology of those who control the PCUSA.

That is not a Christian ideology.

BINGO!

19 posted on 08/01/2013 10:34:49 PM PDT by AnalogReigns (because the real world is not digital...)
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To: AnalogReigns

How do they explain this verse?

“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life; but he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him” (John 3:36).

Also, if this particular line is offensive to them, all they need to do is CHANGE the lyrics.


20 posted on 08/02/2013 5:06:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: AnalogReigns
“If you attend a PCUSA church, no matter how sound that individual congregation is....you are tacitly supporting the apostasy controling the larger denomination.”

I don't agree. There are hundreds of churches throughout the land whose national churches have been infiltrated by the left who have been successful in making denominational changes. But the individual churches have rejected the changes and remain faithful to the faith passed down through the ages.

Technically, the building belongs to the national church, but it was build, maintained over the years by the faithful. They have married, baptized, confirmed and buried their family there sometimes for generations. They are not going to turn over their church to an unseen bureaucratic church, nor should they. They just do their best, in His Holy Name.

21 posted on 08/03/2013 4:41:53 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: elpadre
There are hundreds of churches throughout the land whose national churches have been infiltrated by the left who have been successful in making denominational changes. But the individual churches have rejected the changes and remain faithful to the faith passed down through the ages.

True, however the REASON mainline denominations continue to be controled by non-believers is because of the ENABLING that otherwise biblically faithful congregations provide, in paying their required dues.

If the individual churches which are biblically faithful....REFUSED TO GO ALONG WITH SUPPORTING the apostastate denominational leadership, the mainlines couldn't operate. Instead, people remain "nice" and get along to go along, ignoring the fact that the mainline Lutheran, Presbyterian, Episcopalian, Churches of Christ, etc., ALL, are on record strongly supporting abortion, euthanasia, homosexual clergy, sexual immorality, communist regimes, and ignoring the authority of the Bible.

If you stay in an organization which is anti-biblical, and anti-Christian--even if you don't directly participate in it's apostasy--none-the-less you are lending support to that apostasy--just because you're there.

Biblically faithful believers who remain in those mainline denominations are like genuinely conservative "Democrats" who hate everything the Democrat party now stands for...but remain Democrats, supporting Democrat candidates they despise.....just because, well, they and their family have always been Democrats.

22 posted on 08/04/2013 12:35:29 AM PDT by AnalogReigns (because the real world is not digital...)
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