Skip to comments.MegaChurch or Catholic Church?
Posted on 08/27/2013 11:53:37 AM PDT by NYer
Megachurch. Two young ladies. Both had left the Catholic Church. Both were now attending megachurches. We had a good chat together. I wanted to understand their reasons for why they left the Catholic Church for a megachurch.
I was at the bank and somehow I got into a spiritual conversation with two Hispanic executives that worked there.
When I asked why they exchanged the Catholic Church for the megachurch, they gave me a number of reasons:
Although these two ladies didnt articulate it explicitly to me, I could tell that they were very proud of their new churches. I could also discern in them a surprise that I am so spiritual and yet I am very excited about being Catholic. They assumed the “with it” people were leaving Catholicism for the bigger and better and deal.
I asked them what they miss about being Catholic. They replied with two answers:
I asked both about the Eucharist: Dont you miss the Eucharist?
This question didnt phase them one bit. Oh we still have communion. They pass out little crackers and cups of juice. I like this better because I thought drinking from one big cup is icky. Spreads germs.
But in the Catholic Church,” I replied, “we believe that the Eucharist is the real Body and Blood of Jesus?
I may as well have said, Dont you know that there are Martians in my back pocket. She was unaware that the Catholic Church taught this. No idea.
This, my brothers and sisters, is the crux of the problem. These girls were raised as Catholics, but did not know about the Eucharist. They did not know that the Eucharist is God. They did not understand the Holy Eucharist is the center of the Catholic tradition.
So when they compare our ho-hum Catholic music and pedestrian sermons to snazzy well produced musical productions and highly polished bulleted sermons from handsome professional speakers…where are they going to go?
If they had believed that the Holy Eucharist is truly the Lord Jesus Christ, then they would have stayed. This is the task of the New Evangelization if there is going to be one. Can we communicate the mystery of Eucharist. If we fail in that, everyone is leaving the building.
PS: I dont mean to suggest that having the Holy Eucharist is an excuse for bad music, bad vestments, bad architecture, and bad sermons. The Eucharist is like a precious diamond. It deserves a platinum setting…not a plastic setting. We cant say, Well, we have the Eucharist – so youre forced to stay and have a miserable experience every Sunday. We cant keep the sacraments hostage to mediocracy.
PPS: With 1 billion strong, the Catholic Church is the real megachurch!
Mega Church or Catholic Church?? Ugh, what a choice. Joel Osteen preaches a feel good sermon that’s not judgmental (smooth sermon for itching ears) which is good if you’re feeling a bit down but he lacks the Jesus died for us theology which is THE central part of Christianity. I choose neither.
They sound like a couple of natural blondes.
Did they mention Salvation was by Grace alone, through Faith alone, in Christ alone?
That is why I left.
Mega Churches make me gag. They look plastic, sound plastic, and aren’t much more than a weekly concert and pep talk, it seems.
We Catholics worship GOD not the preacher!
Hey NYER I know Joel Osteen he is one of those do not judge preacher very new agey I THINK SO
Maybe young ladies didn’t really good teaching out of Cathoic church so they feel spiritually hungry
They do lots of singing in those type of churches
They do reach out to people
Flip story. As a Southern Baptist, I was talking to one of my Catholic friends in Louisiana and told her this story. "My Mom knows this lady who converted from Baptist to Catholic because she didn't feel as guilty as a Catholic when she slept with someone other than her husband."
My Catholic friend retorted, "Well, if she didn't make a good Baptist, she's not going to make a good Catholic."
What could I say?...."Touche"
Mega Church or Catholic Church?
I’ll just agree with apostle Paul that, after his departure, savage wolves DID come in and did NOT spare the flock. And since that time they have hounded simple believers with priestcraft and gimmickry and ancient ERROR.
No blood bought child of God has any need for gnostic teachers to “instruct” him in the ways of God. Indeed, he can easily spot the fakes by way of the Holy Spirit and, per the LORD JESUS, one or more other blood-bought children!
“We Catholics worship GOD not the preacher!”
Implying the converse is true of the megachurch attendees?
The only megachurch service I ever attended was essentially a rock concert followed by a motivational speech. I know I can’t judge all megachurches by that one but it definitely turned me off to the whole concept.
They also tolerate a lot of sin and heresy in their ranks. They have to. Their "customer base" demands it, and they have a multi-million dollar budget to make.
In other words we all DESERVE to be judged when we sin.
Exactly. Sounds like a lot of the reasons seemingly smart people voted for Obama. The marketing is just so good. I don’t think Jesus was into marketing. More of a substance kinda guy. But, unfortunately a ton of “catholics” no nothing about their own faith. I mean, if your faith is that important to you, don’t you think you would take it upon yourself to actually learn about it before you take off and leave it. It has been around 2000 years for a reason.
They do reach out to people
So do cults. The Manson Family was very musical, and very "accepting."
“Then his disciples began arguing about which of them was the greatest...”
“MegaChurch or Catholic Church?”
A false proposition up front. As if those are the only choices?
Paper or plastic?
This is why I avoid shopping in San Jose. If my city won’t trust me with a plastic bag, why should I trust it with my tax dollars?
Pretty presumptive statement, IMO.
I don't think the Eucharist is the center of reasoning for Catholics leaving the church.
I think it centers more around what people perceive as the truth
Is Mr. Osteen one of those who say you will get rich if you become Christian?
"I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius,
so no one can say that you were baptized in my name."
- 1 Corinthians 1:14-15
The prosperity gospel? I think he strongly infers it but not so much as Swaggart and other such types. I’m not a follower but he is on TV if you care to listen to him.
Following Christ and trying to live in his image... sounds simple. In reality it is a very hard thing to do. It really is easier just to go to a cool musical production every now and then.
Many people forget the value of Apostolic succession. The catholic church is the church founded by Christ and handed to Peter. Every other christian religion is an offshoot of Catholicism.
Having taught Catechism myself I have been shocked by the watered down curriculums taught in many parishes to children. It is tragic when people are not taught the beauty of catholic tradition. Are some of the words of the new missal challenging sure...but they are beautiful in their meaning. A Tale of Two Cities is harder to read than Harry Potter but which is better literature?
Merely acknowledging the eucharist as the body and blood of Christ is not enough. Spending much time discerning the beauty of this great gift both through study and prayer is required. Only through a humble and prayerful approach can the magnitude of it’s redeeming power even be begun to be understood. The eucharist is not the only sacrament that is not understood. How many catholics understand the value of going to a priest for confession?
Catholicism is hard to put into practice and not for those without courage who only seek feel good platitudes. Reforming catholic catechism starting with parents prior to the baptism of their own children is the only answer.
I didn’t realize Swaggart was that. I never even heard that term until the 2000s.
His father sure did. He is more subtle about it.
He claims to know the Gospel (Salvation by Grace alone, through Faith Alone, in Christ Alone) but I have never heard him preach it.
In my Church they spent weeks preparing for the new language changes and explaining the reasons for them.
If “consubstantial” is that difficult, one could seek out assistance. Or simply based on dead reckoning of its placement in the creed figure out it is a more elegant word for “one in being”.
I have yet to meet a single first generation immigrant from Mexico is Catholic. They are evangelical, Jehovah’s Witness, or unchurched.
Who was his father? I never even knew he had one.
If (certain) religious leaders tell their flock that being Christian will make them rich, what happens if they don’t become rich?
Wow, that’s clever.
Except none of those are preachers and none of what you showed is worship.
Nice try though.
Mr. Osteen. :) cant remember his first name.
He was a second tier huckster in the name it and claim it gang.
Joel Osteen purchases Catholicism in time for Easter
LAKEWOOD, TX - Joel Osteen Ministries announced this week it has finalized its purchase of the entire Catholic religion which includes all assets, facilities, employees, and intellectual property. The purchase was accomplished using revenues received from corporate sponsors, member donations, and Osteen's book sales.
Osteen announced the purchase to his followers at the Lakewood Church during his weekly nationally televised service saying, "Please join me in welcoming our Catholic brothers and sisters with open arms. A purchase of this magnitude takes tremendous resources so I ask you to help us fund this wonderful acquisition by calling the 800 number at the bottom of your screen and making a generous donation."
In a manner similar to other large industry consolidations, Osteen will immediately begin converting Catholicism to the faster growing non-denominational business model. Changes include the elimination of less profitable Catholic traditions such as communion, confession, the sacraments of marriage, confirmation, and the last rites. Classic holidays with large revenue potential such as Christmas and Easter will be re-branded but not substantially revised until a complete profitability analysis can be performed.
Executives of Osteen Ministries say the Bible will be gradually replaced with Osteen's best-selling book, Your Best Life Now, which is available online and at thousands of retail book outlets worldwide.
Until further evaluation an Osteen Ministries spokesperson said all Catholic employees including Bishops, Cardinals, Priests, and Nuns will gladly be retained by Osteen Ministries and trained for jobs at Osteen's expansive donation call center in Lakewood, Texas.
Most of the Catholic churches will continue to serve as donation collection points but will be equipped with cable broadcast equipment to help increase Osteen's market share of religious television viewers.
Osteen is also reviewing options for key assets like the Vatican which may be converted to a faith-based nostalgic amusement park called CatholicLand.
Talk about nice try. Have you read/recited any of the popular Marian prayers recently? Absolutely abominable idolatry.
They are told they do not have enough faith or they are not giving enough to the huckster.
You think the Bible is idolatry?
I think Osteen is planning on keeping Catholic traditions of Bingo, Wedding annulment payments and financial indulgences.
I’ve done these threads before, I think I will pass on this one.
I can see how someone who only has prayer can think prayer is synonymous with worship.
Read the Mass someday. It is true worship. The offering of the One Perfect Sacrifice to the Father.
Dulia is not latria.
If holding a parade for someone is worship then we all worshipped our soldiers after WWII.
LOL!!! I must have missed this verse, then:
O most blessed and sweet Virgin Mary,
Mother of God, filled with all tenderness, Daughter of the most high King,
Lady of the Angels,
Mother of all the faithful,
On this day and all the days of my life,
I entrust to your merciful heart my body and my soul,
all my acts, thoughts, choices,
desires, words, deeds,
my entire life and death,
so, Catholics believe that if i pray to vishnu I’m not worshiping a false god?
I know we blame the Church and sometimes rightly so but part of it is that they are not listening.
I know a couple, life-long Catholics who got taken in by a very charismatic, fly by night church and then they tried to tell us how the Catholic Church isn’t Bible based and they never heard scripture at Mass!!!!!!!!!
Where were they? I know they were there cuz I saw them! How could they not hear? How could they not see? But they didn’t. “There are none so blind....”
I am active in my church, I do a little of everything but I think the most important thing I do is pray. We need God to work in their lives, to open their hearts and their minds to His Word.
Too many people want religious entertainment. They want the easy path. They want to be told that their choices are the most important, that once saved, they are saved forever. They don’t want to do the hard work of actually following Jesus, they just want to believe and let it go at that.
Yes, that is exactly what we believe. That’s why i so clearly stated so in an earlier post.
Ok, now that that is done, if you have any questions grounded in reality come on back.