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Joel Osteen and Pope Francis
patheos.com ^ | August 27, 2013 | Fr. Dwight Longenecker

Posted on 08/28/2013 11:39:15 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM

Joel Osteen and Pope Francis

August 27, 2013 By 7 Comments

Joel Osteen the prosperity preacher from Houston has just moved up from his $2m mansion to a $10m mansion. Here’s the news.

This is one of the things that tickle me about American Protestantism. These are the folks who have traditionally beat the Catholics with a big stick about the Pope living in a palace surrounded by rich art works.

The other thing is the way Protestants will beat up on Catholics for having a highly exalted infallible leader who is treated like a celebrity. Duh. The problem with them is not that they don’t have a Pope, but that they have 30,000 popes. Every pastor a pope, and Pope Osteen is just one among many.

So Pope Francis lives in a modest suite in a functional hostel while Pope Joel lives in a palace in Houston. Even when the popes lived in the apostolic palace they only lived in a comparatively modest apartment in the palace, and all that art? It’s history and heritage. He doesn’t own it. It belongs to the world–witness the crowds who come and go talking of Michelangelo.

But who am I to judge? They say Joel Osteen makes all his loot from sale of his books and calendars and self help T-shirts. He’s welcome to it I guess, and who knows, he might live like a prince of the Church on a fraction of his takings. He might give 90% of his wealth to the poor. So live and let live and let God be the judge.

But when it comes to appearances, when it comes to the one who seems to live the life of apostolic simplicity– Pope Francis wins.

For that matter, he wins with the gospel he’s preaching too. The American prosperity gospel is a false gospel. It’s no surprise that Osteen’s church doesn’t have a cross in it. Neither does the gospel he’s preaching.

Just thought…are there any photoshoppers out there who can send me a pic of Osteen being carried around in the sedia gestatoria?


TOPICS: Catholic; Ecumenism; Evangelical Christian; Humor
KEYWORDS: megachurch; osteen; popefrancis; ybpdln
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

A lot of money to be made in Amway. That’s all this grinning buck tooth creep is. A fast-talking, grinning hyena, trying to swindle money off gullible old people.


51 posted on 08/28/2013 3:04:32 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Facts are funny sometimes, aren’t they?


52 posted on 08/28/2013 3:31:34 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Then again, I think the same thing about “Papa” Francis.

You're in for a big surprise.

53 posted on 08/28/2013 3:35:51 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

“You’re in for a big surprise.”


That salvation isn’t really through grace without the working of the law, but that I really needed to live in slavish fear to the Roman Catholic Church?

Somehow I doubt this will ever happen.


54 posted on 08/28/2013 3:38:18 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Not really fair to lump all protestants in with Blinky Osteen. His is only one if many different protestant viewpoints.


55 posted on 08/28/2013 3:52:35 PM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: Kartographer

Please do not think that I thought that you were... my post was against osteen and not you. My apologies my friend.

LLS


56 posted on 08/28/2013 3:58:05 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
So, since the Vatican Joel Osteen is "rich," it he should sell all its churches, schools, hospitals, orphanages, Vatican City Lakewood Church, his old mansion, his new mansion, etc., and give that money to the poor, right? And what exactly would that achieve, besides assuring subsequent generations never receive any of the help and benefits from those same churches, schools, hospitals, orphanages, etc.?

Did I get that right? After all, isn't that the underlying point of Longnecker's article? That Joel Osteen is part of the eeeeevillllll 1%, and the [current] Pope is really one of the 99%?

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57 posted on 08/28/2013 3:58:22 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: Kartographer
Nice site and from the looks of it, it seems he is one of the good guys battling satan!
58 posted on 08/28/2013 4:00:27 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Gumdrop

What a show of grace.

The vatican and the churches, two different things. Perhaps you are to focused on throwing insults to think before you make an ass of yourself.


59 posted on 08/28/2013 4:01:40 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Did I say anything about selling? Nope, bzzzzt try again.

I was replying to someone who said the value in monetary terms of the vatican was $1B. Now that you have the context you didn’t bother to read before you can apply your vast learning and take another shot.


60 posted on 08/28/2013 4:03:21 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Alex Murphy
After all, isn't that the underlying point of Longnecker's article?

On the contrary, I think it was just to point out the hypocrisy/stupidity of all the anti-Catholic "the Vatican is too rich" bigots. At least that's how I read it :0)

61 posted on 08/28/2013 4:22:09 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Sirius Lee
Reported. Say goodbye to that comment. You want I save a copy for you?

That said, I have no real problem with the new and present "pope". But to me, in one sense, he's just another guy.

62 posted on 08/28/2013 4:26:20 PM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: Sirius Lee
Yours just happens to smell a lot more..

We recommend you remove your nose, then.

63 posted on 08/28/2013 4:29:42 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

I don’t fault any Christian for living in nice surroundings. However, poor doctrine and teaching is another matter. Both Osteen and the Pope are simply false teachers of scripture. I suppose in that sense that makes them equals.


64 posted on 08/28/2013 4:51:09 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: driftdiver

“Very few protestant leaders live in 10m mansions.”

How many protestant leaders are there? And how do you know which ones are correct in their preaching?


65 posted on 08/28/2013 4:55:15 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: HarleyD
Both Osteen and the Pope are simply false teachers of scripture.

LOL! So saith a follower of false teachers of scriptures...

66 posted on 08/28/2013 5:06:15 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: ebb tide

“How many protestant leaders are there? And how do you know which ones are correct in their preaching?”

There are many but not enough.

How to tell? Well usually I use the Bible as a guidepost. How do you tell?


67 posted on 08/28/2013 5:25:37 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

“Well usually I use the Bible as a guidepost.”

Puts you back at square one.

How do you know which denomination or Protestant leader, among thousands, has the correct interpretation of Scripture?


68 posted on 08/28/2013 5:41:41 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (We have No Opposition to Obam a's Socialist Agenda:)
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To: rbmillerjr
among thousands

35,000 a recent study showed. 35,000 little napoleons, or should I say martin luthers?

69 posted on 08/28/2013 5:45:35 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: rbmillerjr

No actually it doesn’t put me at square one. It puts me in sync with God.

How do you know your priest has the right interpretation of the man made catholic doctrine?


70 posted on 08/28/2013 6:05:47 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

“No actually it doesn’t put me at square one. It puts me in sync with God.”

In sync as much as the other 1,000s of denominations and leaders, with their different interpretations.

Unless you have a uniquely revealed ability to interpret Scripture better than those mentioned above.


71 posted on 08/28/2013 6:26:57 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (We have No Opposition to Obam a's Socialist Agenda:)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Watch:

http://www.legacychurchnm.com/index.cfm/pageid/2532/index.html#la=loaded&h=860&w=1040


72 posted on 08/28/2013 6:28:35 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: rbmillerjr

huh

keep trying, its really not that hard


73 posted on 08/28/2013 6:51:32 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kartographer

Thanks. I will have to watch it from work tomorrow as this dsl line is creeping tonight. Gamers probably sucking up bandwidth.


74 posted on 08/28/2013 6:57:28 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: driftdiver

“Well usually I use the Bible as a guidepost.”

Only “usually”? What are some of your exceptions?


75 posted on 08/28/2013 7:06:01 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

“Only “usually”? What are some of your exceptions?”

Thats between God and I. I guess you’re the second perfect person to be born on the earth.


76 posted on 08/28/2013 7:17:01 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
The monetary value of the Vatican and Catholic Churches around the world

Actually, the Catholic Churches in the United States are not owned by the Vatican.

77 posted on 08/28/2013 7:57:49 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Don't blame me for McCain.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Has a court decided if the Catholic church owns it’s churches, or does someone else.


78 posted on 08/28/2013 8:18:35 PM PDT by ansel12 (Obama-[obamacare] "used to be a Republican idea. There's a governor of Massachusetts who set it up.")
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To: ansel12

It’s the way they are set up legally. Each diocese is an independent unit and the parish properties are owned by the diocese, specifically the bishop.

I believe that in some dioceses, the ownership of the individual parishes have recently gone to the parishes.


79 posted on 08/28/2013 8:25:19 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Don't blame me for McCain.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

I have no use for any televangelists.

Osteen, Hinn, whoever.

Charlatans, all.

Billy Graham is the only one who has any credibility.


80 posted on 08/28/2013 8:28:27 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: driftdiver
How long has the Pope lived in the Vatican?

longer than the President has lived in the White House, Queen Elizabeth in Buckingham Palace, your Governor in his state mansion.....but none of these people OWN the property....they just live there while they hold office....big difference

81 posted on 08/28/2013 9:31:55 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: Kartographer
Neither the Pope with his acceptance of Gays, nor Osteen with his love of mammon are part of any church I would belong to.

you must be a very lonely person....how sad....no sinners near you!!!

82 posted on 08/28/2013 9:37:57 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: SECURE AMERICA
All I will say is this. If you do not think that within the Vatican there are treasures worth HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of Millions of dollars you need to buy a clue...............

if you were the caretaker at the Smithsonian and they gave you an apartment there to live in.....would all that stuff be yours????

the Pope owns virtually NOTHING

83 posted on 08/28/2013 9:46:26 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: Revolting cat!; Gamecock
35,000 a recent study showed. 35,000 little napoleons, or should I say martin luthers?

Oh my - a 5,000 increase since the thread was posted this morning!

84 posted on 08/28/2013 10:59:18 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: terycarl

Just as Protestant leaders don’t own their churches. Perhaps your issue is with personal wealth then?


85 posted on 08/29/2013 2:56:33 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Did I saw they were?


86 posted on 08/29/2013 2:57:20 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: terycarl

I prefer my spiritual leaders to be against sin instead of condoning it.


87 posted on 08/29/2013 5:53:04 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: driftdiver

I thought that’s what you meant. My apologies.


88 posted on 08/29/2013 8:48:06 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Don't blame me for McCain.)
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To: driftdiver
Just as Protestant leaders don’t own their churches. Perhaps your issue is with personal wealth then?

I have no isues with anything...true, the minister does not USUALLY own the church (sometimes does)....but he does own his ten million dollar mansion, and his plane, and his yacht, and his whatever.....the Pope owns virtually NOTHING.

89 posted on 08/29/2013 4:02:52 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: terycarl

Yeah ok, every single minister has a 10 million dollar mansion, a plane, a yacht. yep every single one

or you’re a liar.

hmmmm


90 posted on 08/29/2013 4:24:07 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
Yeah ok, every single minister has a 10 million dollar mansion, a plane, a yacht. yep every single one

not every one of course....what an asinine thing to say.....but far more ministers own ten million dollar mansions, of five million dollar mansions, or $250,000 houses, or $10,000 houses, than Popes own anything of consequence. and that's what the discussion was about....the opulance of the Pope.....sad

91 posted on 08/29/2013 5:35:42 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Look out, another ‘devotional’ Joel Osteen thread has just been posted. Remember - no discussion of any kind is allowed. You gotta be ‘devoted’ to Joel!


92 posted on 08/29/2013 5:37:37 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: terycarl

Which one has a toilet with a gold flusher?

oh yeah the pope


93 posted on 08/29/2013 5:44:13 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

“I guess you’re the second perfect person to be born on the earth.”

Nope; the best I could be is third. There’s already been two: Jesus Christ and His Mother.


94 posted on 08/29/2013 7:27:38 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: driftdiver
Which one has a toilet with a gold flusher? oh yeah the pope

who is the more opulent....a person who OWNS a stainless steel toilet flusher or a person who merely uses someone elses gold toilet flusher???????

95 posted on 08/29/2013 9:17:19 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: ebb tide

Jesus mother was not sinless and neither are you or I.


96 posted on 08/30/2013 3:00:16 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: terycarl

So you have more respect for people who takes money from the poor to buy a gold toilet then someone who purchased a regular old crapper with their own money?


97 posted on 08/30/2013 3:02:16 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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