Posted on 08/31/2013 3:38:44 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
Full interview (roughly one hour) with former Roman Catholic priests Richard Bennett (website: http://www.BEREANBEACON.ORG) & Bartholomew Brewer, Ph.D, author of "Pilgrimage from Rome - A Testimony" (website: http://www.MTC.COM) and former nun Rocio Zwirner give glory to God for their exodus from the Roman Catholic Church & into the glorious grace of the saving Gospel of Jesus Christ. (Description from youtube)
Bart Brewer. Now there was a piece work. He was a terrible liar. One of the most embarrassing things he ever did was debate Karl Keating and he couldn’t resist making a complete horse’s rump out of himself. He violated the stated and duly agreed to rules of the debate and generally came across as a jerk. Many of his fellow Protestants were terribly embarrassed by his behavior.
It’s a shame he decided to take an interest in Filipino high school girls:
I enjoyed watching the girls giggle as they flirted with teasing boys. After a while, though, my attention was drawn to one of the more diligent students, who thoroughly captivated my interest . . . She was lovely and shyly responded as we stole moments talking alone after class. This was a new adventure, and I soon interpreted our newly discovered affection as love.
(Far From Rome, Near to God, compiled by Richard Bennett and Martin Buckingham, Lafayette, Indiana: Associated Publishers & Authors, Inc., 1994, 31-32)
What’s the legal consent age in the Philippines? I wonder if he was a statutory rapist?
Here’s the Keating vs Brewer debate audio: http://www.philvaz.com/KeatingBrewerDebate.mp3
Oh boy, here we go
Bookmark for later reading. Because this cannot be true...
Really? I’ll send you a private email with a link to a website we are not allowed to use here at FR. It is a thoroughly anti-Catholic website and has the relevant text which I posted about (although I cut and pasted it from yet another website).
It’s certainly interesting to compare the quality of the men who leave Rome, and those who come home ;-)
Yeah, it is. Many of them leave because they can’t keep their pants on. Then when they leave they discover all they really knew was how to run a church so they become Protestant preachers and even sometimes become stridently anti-Catholic to become well known and make money.
Charles Chinquay was the perfect example, but there are plenty of others out there. It’s interesting to me how former Protestant ministers usually have nothing bad to say about their former sects. They became Catholic because the Catholic faith is true. Protestant anti-Catholicism is filled with liars and frauds. It’s just like John Henry Newman said: Protestants have to lie.
“What’s the legal consent age in the Philippines? I wonder if he was a statutory rapist?”
A pretty pathetic attempt at branding an opponent to your religion as a pedophile.
Here’s the context from the book:
“It was no wonder that as I approached high school age, I felt called to prepare for the Roman Catholic priesthood. Rather than the secular priesthood, which serves parishes, I chose to apply to the Discalced Carmelites, one of the more strict and ancient monastic orders.
From the first day at Holy Hill, Wisconsin, I loved the religious life, and this love was the motivation I needed to get through all the Latin and other studies, which I found very difficult. The dedication and self-sacrifice of the priests who taught our classes was a continual reminder of the value of making any sacrifice to reach the goal of ordination.The training I received in four years of the high school seminary, two years in the novitiate, three years of philosophy, and four years of theology (the last after ordination) was thorough. I was sincere in praciticing the various mortifications and other disciplines and never once doubted my calling nor anything I was taught. Taking the vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience represented my lifetime commitment to God. For me the voice of the church was the voice of God.
My ordination to the Roman Catholic priesthood was at the Shrine of the Immaculate Conception of Mary in Washington, DC, the seventh largest church in the world today. When “His Excellency, the Most Reverend Bishop” John M. McNamara imposed his hands on my head and repeated the words from Psalm 110:4 ..... “Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek:”, I was overwhelmed with the belief that I was now a mediator between God and the people.
The anointing and binding of my hands with special cloths signified that they were now consecrated to changing bread and wine into the real (literal) flesh and blood of Jesus Christ, to perpetuate the sacrifice of Calvary through the Mass, and to dispense saving grace through the other Roman Catholic sacraments of baptism, confession, confirmation, marriage, and the last rites. At ordination a Roman Catholic priest is said to receive an “indelible” mark: to experience an unending interchange of his personality with that of Christ, that he may perform his priestly duties as another Christ” (alter Christus) or in the place of Christ. People actually knelt and kissed our newly consecrated hands, so sincere was this belief. After completing the last year of theology, which was principally a final preparation for preaching and hearing confession (which involved giving absolution or forgiveness of sin), I was granted my long expressed desire to be a missionary priest in the Philippines.
The change from a regimented, monastic life to the simplicity and freedom of the missionary life proved a challenge for which I had not been prepared. I loved traveling to some of the eighty or more primitive barrios assigned to our parish. I also cherished teaching my religion class at the Carmelite high school in our small town. Until then my life had been almost exclusively among men. I enjoyed watching the girls giggle as they flirted with teasing boys After a while though, my attention was drawn to one of the more diligent students who thoroughly captivated my interest. This young lady was mature beyond her years because of the responsibilities that had fallen to her after her mother had died. She was lovely and shyly responded as we stole moments talking alone after class. This was a new adventure, and I soon interpreted our newly discovered affection as love.
It is not surprising that soon the bishop learned of this, though he was many miles away, and he quickly returned me to the States before any serious relationship could develop. The embarrassment of this discipline was difficult for both of us, but life always moves on. After the adventure and freedom in the Philippines, I had no motivation to return to monastic living, so the Father Provincial granted permission for me to work at a Discalced Carmelite parish in Arizona.”
no, not really. I do not want to misrepresent my beliefs, so I must let you know that I was not serious. If you still want to send me a link, I would be glad to get it. But just as long as you know where I stand.
FReegards,
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It does make me feel better. I never thought John Paul II was the greatest pope in the first place. But at least he was an honest man even if honestly wrong. He didn’t lie like so many Protestant anti-Catholics do.
And, by the way, you’re not telling me anything I didn’t already know for many years and freely acknowledge to Protestant and Catholic alike: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3060403/posts?page=36#36
“A pretty pathetic attempt at branding an opponent to your religion as a pedophile.”
Your post is a pretty pathetic attempt at branding my post as an attempt to brand him as a pedophile. I never said he was a pedophile. I said I wondered what the consent age was and if he was a statutory rapist. Both questions are legitimate under the circumstances.
I have no idea where you stand. I just know that Brewer admitted a romantic attachment to a teenage girl. He admitted it. That’s the truth.
Keating vs Dave Hunt ... Roman Catholicism
“Your post is a pretty pathetic attempt at branding my post as an attempt to brand him as a pedophile.”
Your reply is a pretty pathetic attempt to have it both ways. To accuse someone of being a statutory rapist of an underage girl with no evidence, and wresting this from a partial quote from his book when he was still a young priest, is rather disgusting and underhanded.
You should stick with dealing with all the Catholic Priests the RCC shuffles around wh oare actually pedophiles.
Also you should do something about the molestation of Korans by elderly Popes.
By the way, I don’t think you’re being completely honest. I think you simply cut and pasted from a website that can’t be cited here at FR. Notice how you did not cite the specific page numbers?
Like I said, Protestant anti-Catholics lie.
“It does make me feel better.”
It makes you feel better that the ‘Successor of Peter’ brought public scandal on the church by bowing to and kissing a Koran?
Just goes to show that Catholics are willing to forgive anything when it comes to their own.
WEll, I apologize, then. I thought everyone around here knew EXACTLY where I stand. I should have included the /s on my post. Please accept my apology.
“By the way, I don’t think you’re being completely honest. I think you simply cut and pasted from a website that can’t be cited here at FR. Notice how you did not cite the specific page numbers?”
Guilty people always go on the offensive when they feel their false statements being busted. I didn’t need to cite page numbers. You did so when you quoted the same passage, but you removed a sentence and robbed it of its context.
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