St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle.
Posted on 09/07/2013 2:27:28 PM PDT by NYer
I understand why he made the statement he did, but I agree there might be a time or two that War was a win for humanity.
He'd better NOT!
No. In fact, I cited the New Testament.
The New Testament does not require soldiers to quit their work, nor does it suggest governments cannot arm men to do violence against bad people. In fact, you cannot have a country without the willingness to defend that country, which in turn requires an acceptance of war.
I’ve been in war, as was my Dad (who was killed in his third), and as were my son, oldest daughter, son-in-law and the husbands of both of my nieces. War is not pretty. But war is vastly better than living under Islam, as expressed by the muslims in Afghanistan, or Egypt, or other hard-core muslim countries. If I ever had any doubt, my tour in Afghanistan would have cured them. Perhaps the Pope would like to go preach in the towns of Afghanistan.
And perhaps the Pope ought to look at the Swiss Guard...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Guard#Pontifical_Swiss_Guard
“The only people that benefit from war is the Military/Industrial Complex war profiteers.”
Nope. I benefit, every day, as do you.
What recent wars do you think we still benefit from?
Every actor who played a main role as a German officer/NCO on that show was Jewish, did you know that? Luftwaffe Colonel Klink, Major (actually Sturmbannführer und Kriminalrat) Hochstetter, Wehrmacht General der Infantrie Burkhalter and Sergeant of the Guard Schultz were all portrayed by Jewish men. Weird, huh?
“Regardless, there is a painfully obvious sense in which war, regardless of its justifiability, always represents a loss for humanity. Does this really require explanation?”
Only in the sense that cutting out a cancer results in a loss to the body.
He will send a signal to distant nations far away
and whistle to those at the ends of the earth.
They will come racing toward Jerusalem.
They will not get tired or stumble.
They will not stop for rest or sleep.
Not a belt will be loose,
not a sandal strap broken.
Their arrows will be sharp
and their bows ready for battle.
Sparks will fly from their horses’ hooves,
and the wheels of their chariots will spin like a whirlwind.
They will roar like lions,
like the strongest of lions.
Growling, they will pounce on their victims and carry them off,
and no one will be there to rescue them.
They will roar over their victims on that day of destruction
like the roaring of the sea.
If someone looks across the land,
only darkness and distress will be seen;
even the light will be darkened by clouds.
LOL!
Robert Clary was also a Holocaust survivor who was liberated from Buchenwald.
Hard to believe that Leon Askin (General Burkhalter) made it to 98.
Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, Korea, WW2. And don’t forget the Cold War, which took a lot of effort and sometimes went hot.
Iraq was hugely worth it. We killed terrorists by the tens of thousands there so we could be safe here - and it worked.
The majority of the 9/11 attackers were Saudis, not Iraqis. They got their funding from Saudi Arabia, not Iraq.
I know. That has nothing to do with the effectiveness of our war in Iraq, where we killed a lot of Saudi extremists. We also had been in a state of unresolved war with Iraq for years. I spent much of the 90s flying over Iraq, and was shot at many times.
Killing extremists in the ME beats waiting for the cops to try to deal with them one by one in the USA.
The jury is still out as to whether or not life for people in Iraq will be any better than before.....I doubt the Christians there are much better off.
I still say Iran was the big winner in the end.
The actors who played the four major German roles—Werner Klemperer (Klink),[16] John Banner (Schultz), Leon Askin (Burkhalter), and Howard Caine (Hochstetter)—were Jewish. Furthermore, Klemperer, Banner, Askin, and Robert Clary (LeBeau) were Jews who had fled the Nazis during World War II. Clary says in the recorded commentary on the DVD version of episode “Art for Hogan’s Sake” that he spent three years in a concentration camp, that his parents and other family members were killed there, and that he has an identity tattoo from the camp on his arm (”A-5714”). Likewise John Banner had been held in a (pre-war) concentration camp and his family was killed during the war. Leon Askin was also in a pre-war French internment camp and his parents were killed at Treblinka. Howard Caine (Hochstetter), who was also Jewish (his birth name was Cohen), was American, and Jewish actors Harold Gould and Harold J. Stone played German generals.
As a teenager, Werner Klemperer (Klink) (son of the conductor Otto Klemperer) fled Hitler’s Germany with his family in 1933. During the show’s production, he insisted that Hogan always win over his Nazi captors or else he would not take the part of Klink. He defended his playing a Luftwaffe Officer by claiming, “I am an actor. If I can play Richard III, I can play a Nazi.” Banner attempted to sum up the paradox of his role by saying, “Who can play Nazis better than us Jews?” Ironically, although Klemperer, Banner, Caine, Gould, and Askin play stereotypical World War II Germans, all had actually served in the U.S. Armed Forces during World War II — Banner[17] and Askin in the U.S. Army Air Corps, Caine in the U.S. Navy, Gould with the U.S. Army, and Klemperer in a U.S. Army Entertainment Unit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogan’s_Heroes
St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle.
I am not questioning self defense. I asked you to show me where our Lord preaches this. Can you cite a tract from Matthew, Mark, Luke or John? In response to the question about the first of the commandments, Jesus says: "The first is, 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one; and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' The second is this, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these." I am no peacenik but I can't find anything in the gospels where our Lord justifies killing others.
But war is vastly better than living under Islam, as expressed by the muslims in Afghanistan, or Egypt, or other hard-core muslim countries.
Christians and Muslims have peacefully co-existed in countries like Lebanon and Egypt, for centuries. The problems are created by outsiders. That seems to be the case since the US intervened to remove benevolent dictators. In so doing, a more rabid element, like the Muslim Brotherhood,, moved in to take power. IMO, Obama is a shill in Syria, performing the same task.
Perhaps the Pope would like to go preach in the towns of Afghanistan.
Last September, Pope Benedict visited Lebanon. Even the Muslims came out to greet him.
winning a war you didn’t start, is.
I did not read the complete article, but any Pope commenting on War always makes me think of
Pope Pius XII, born Eugenio Maria Giuseppe Giovanni Pacelli
who made so little effort to stop the rise of Fascism in Italy and Nazism in Germany. Taking a Neutral position on the war, in effect say both sides were in the wrong.
“I am no peacenik but I can’t find anything in the gospels where our Lord justifies killing others.”
So now you’ve thrown out both the Old Testament, and the non-Gospel New Testament. And I thought Catholics accused Protestants of having too small a Bible!
Governments act to defend their people. That is why we have cops - to defend those citizens who cannot defend themselves. That is why we have the military - to defend us from forces no individual can protect themselves from.
And contrary to what your Pope says, wars often do bring peace. Peace thru strength, backed by the will to use force if need be. Europe has known peace since WW2 as a result of war. South Korea has had peace & freedom because of war. We have greatly minimized terrorist attacks in the US by killing large numbers overseas.
“I asked you to show me where our Lord preaches this.”
And I cited God’s Word. It is a pity you think God’s word is limited to the red print in some New Testaments...and give more weight to Pope Francis than the Apostle Paul.
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