Skip to comments.There is something strange going on in the Vatican
Posted on 10/09/2013 8:25:55 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
Prayer and fasting helps one’s soul, and the souls for whom they pray. I haven’t avoided your question.
I don’t see many Catholic here consistently starting posts that hammer Protestants. On the other hand, I often do see it from the FR Protestants of a certain stripe.
For the record, I have never started a thread that represents any branch of Protestantism and what it professes. For the record, It would be impossible for me to track down all the competing doctrines at the “Confessional or Institutional level” from all the competing Protestant groups. I have, at times, not as frequent as I use to, corrected the constant misrepresentation of Catholic Doctrine which is a much different context than what you are hinting at with your post.
I don’t know how far back post histories go but anyone who has ever been in a thread with me, if they are honest, can confirm that I have never started a thread about a certain Protestant groups doctrine. Period.
It's also evangelizing...The bible isn't all a one side lovey dovey book...We have to teach the 'whole' counsel of God, and that includes teaching about hell...
From the Syllabus of Errors, Pope Pius IX, Dec. 8, 1864:
15. Every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true. (Indifferentism and False Tolerance)
It’s not the toes he steps on I worry about; the man seems to be questionable regarding Catholicism IMO.
Interesting. You seem to be sitting in judgment of the RCC's selection of a "pope" and determining that the Bible tells you everything is going to turn out all right, irrespective of what they have done. Such a position would imply that you have a personal interpretation of the Bible which overrides Rome, since Rome claims to control interpretation.
While you are using the same logic most biblicists use to evaluate Rome, you are certainly in conflict with the mother ship. They claim to have control over the interpretation of that Bible and would argue that they could not possibly make a mistake in selection. But, here you are saying the Bible trumps Rome...hmmm. Welcome to reality.
This could be fun.
Boy, let’s welcome you to reality: the Bible is of the Church, the Church not springing from the Bible, difference between Catholics and Protestors
Sounds like a lot of Catholics are getting the heeby jeebys.
Yet, according to you the so-called “Church” of Rome may have made a mistake? And, you find that everything will be okay based upon the Bible...which they claim to control? So, they make a mistake you personally identify, but take comfort in an interpretation they don’t condone? I’m getting the popcorn.
Proselytism: When you try to convert me.
Of course, Catholics engage in neither. Else they all might as well move to trailer parks.
So that's what converted the Roman world, huh? Good to know none of those apostles actually went anywhere and challenged anyone.
Evangelization is seen as revealing Christ by word and deed and let them encounter him thru his Bride the Church
In other words, "evangelization" is allowing people to come to you and ask to join, like a Masonic lodge.
So that's what Paul was doing in Athens.
This form of parsing is Jesuitical.
He is a Jesuit. No? shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
This form of parsing is Jesuitical.
Oh, I get it now. The trouble with Francis is that he's universalist outside chrstianity whereas Catholicism is universalist within chrstianity . . . right?
The Catholic Church has never at any time tried to convert non-Catholic chrstians. All you have to do is be "committed." Catholics don't try to convert Fundamentalist Protestants because the little dears are genetically defective (through no fault of their own; it's not their fault their parents were siblings) and could never comprehend so profound and intellectual religion as Catholicism. So G-d in his graciousness has provided defective, stupid churches for defective, stupid people who can never aspire to "the fullness of truth" because they're too stupid and inbred to believe in evolution and Biblical criticism. Catholics don't bother these unfortunate cretins by trying to convert them, but they will defend their magnificent yet incomprehensible doctrines should the morons, through their ignorance and their mistaken belief in "absolute truth," try to "correct" them.
Catholicism is for Italians, Irish, French, Hispanics, Poles, Hungarians, Nigerians, Vietnamese, and Filipinos. Inbred rednecks need not apply and need not expect any "evangelization," because they're "sincere chrstians," which is all that is required.
Hmm. Seems to me that the Catholic Church didn't always teach this. But then, what do I know? After all, I'm just an inbred moron with no genes from the Special, Chosen Catholic Nations.
Let's see . . . I've seen Catholics refer to "fundies" (including you yourself), "snake-handlers," "Bible-thumpers," "Bible-bangers," "Bible-toters," and "brain dead bibliolators." I have never seen Protestants refer to Catholics as mackerel snappers" or "bead fumblers," though I have seen a few references to "Papists" and "Romanists."
Catholics may not engage in dialogue about doctrines, but they rule when it comes to ethno-cultural slurs.
I don’t think you understood my post. It is from the “Syllabus of ERRORS.” Pope Pius IX is listing all the errors of his time (which have continued up through our own time) and the one I posted was in the section on Indifferentism and False Tolerance. This error is pretty much what Pope Francis said the other day about everyone trying to find the “good.” or whatever. Ergo, the Pope is spouting Heresy.
He speaks as if he has never read one Encyclical in his life. Jesuits are supposed to be educated, but he gives no evidence of having studied any of the writings of previous Popes.
P.S. I had to read your post three times in order to wade through your emotional invective to try to figure out what you were trying to say. I’m still not sure I understood you. Next time, you might want to be less emotional and thus more succinct.
It seems from this post and all the replies that Francis has indeed turned something upside down, much as John XXIII did.
I’m sure his goal is to save souls. He is simply starting from a different point. It seems to me that he truly believes in natural law, and that if you appeal to it in anyone, that person will respond—even if he is an atheist.
If you start arguing, or judging, you are off on the wrong foot.
Basically, he is saying our approach to the nonbeliever should be “Namas te,” “I see the God within you.” If this resonates, the hearer then has two choices: to respond to what he feels or knows is the true God within him, or to use the words as an excuse to do whatever he wants.
Those who make the first choice have been reached in a way that all the arguing in the world cannot accomplish.
We all have God within us. The job is to get through all the weeds and distractions to find it, in ourselves and possibly, with the grace of God, in others.