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The Tragic Truth About Tattoos
Hub ^ | October 31,2013 | Pratonix

Posted on 11/01/2013 8:21:51 AM PDT by DouglasKC

The Truth about Tattoos

I had written a hub earlier on 'The Dangers of Tattoos' - which was from purely a medical point of view. The present article is more comprehensive, and should enlighten the open-minded reader about the 'dark truths' behind tattoos.

Historical Aspect

History shows that tattoos have always been associated with paganism, shamanism, heathen (Baal worship), occult mysticism and demonism. The tattoo has never been associated with Christians, until the present decadent religious times. Wherever the Christian faith made its entrance, the tattoo made its exit.

Tattoos where associated with shamans or magic-men (witch-doctors). A shaman is an intermediary between the natural and the supernatural worlds, who is in direct contact with spirits who are invariably evil. Tattooing was often a magical rite, linked to scarification and blood-letting, and the tattooing process involved complex rituals and taboos, known only to the shaman and his tribe. In tattooing the skin is punctured and the blood is drawn. Licking the blood during tattoo operations is not unknown. The puncturing was considered the ‘opening of inlets for evil to enter’. Tattoos were therefore channels for demonic possession. Even today, certain tattoo artists burn incense and light candles during tattoo operations, while others allow ‘demons to guide the tattoo needle over the client’s body’.

Tattoos have always reflected a note of unabashed rebellion and marked deviancy. Hence tattoos were used to mark criminals, adulterers, traitors, deserters, the deviant and the outcast. Even the ancient Greeks and Romans did not tattoo themselves, but they branded slaves and criminals with tattoos. The Latin word for ‘tattoo’ is ‘stigma’ – which is a distinguishing mark cut into the flesh of a slave or a criminal, and was considered a mark of disgrace or reproach. By the early 1900s public opinion against tattoos was so strong that tattooed persons were considered freaks and found mostly in sideshows and circuses.

The Psychological Aspect

It has been observed that criminals, drug addicts, sex perverts and social outlaws are the overwhelming majority of the tattooed. Hard rock bands sport sick and lewd tattoos. Gangs encourage tattoos to instill a sense of ‘belonging’. Tattoos carry a streak of aggression and anti-establishmentarianism and are subversive of morality. Death (inclusive of skulls, snakes, demons, flames) and pornography (lewd pictures, nude figures) are popular themes of tattoos. Psychologists have considered tattoos to be marks of personality disorder which is manifested later in criminal behavior. Low self-esteem, lack of self-control, sadomasochism, bondage, fetishism, bisexuality, antisocial personality, mania and bipolar disorder, and schizophrenia – are reflected in self-inflicted multiple tattoos. Studies have linked tattoos to homosexuality, lesbianism and gross sexual perversion.

Tattooed youth are more likely to engage in sexual intercourse, take to alcohol and drugs, and exhibit violent behavior, and drop out of high school – by as much as 4 times compared to non-tattooed youth.

The Christian Aspect

Carnal Christians side-step the injuction in Leviticus 19;28 by arguing that the commandment is for Old Testament Israel and not for New Testament Christians. Does that mean that bestiality and child sacrifice which are forbidden in Leviticus are for Old Testament Israel and not for New Testament Christians? The New Testament does not have to spell out all sins. Smoking, for instance, is not mentioned in the Bible anywhere; but does it mean that smoking is not a vice or sin?

Reputed Bible scholars and commentators have made in clear that the moral commandments in Leviticus are for all time and not just for Israel in the Old Testament age. Leviticus 19:28 says, ‘You shall not make any cutting in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you. I am the LORD.’ On this Matthew Henry, Merrill Unger and Jamieson, Fausset and Brown have made it amply clear that tattoos are forbidden by God. It is to be noted that while ‘cuttings’ are qualified by the phrase ‘for the dead’, ‘marks’ (or tattoos) have no such qualification. Which means that all tattoos (Christian and otherwise) are evil in God’s eyes.

One of the arguments made by carnal Christians is that Lev 19.27 forbids haircuts. What Leviticus 19.27 is talking about is ‘rounding the corners of your head’ and ‘marring the corners of your beard’. These were heathen practices. One such practice was to cut the hair so that the head resembled a celestial globe. It is called a ‘tonsure’, a practice of heathens to honor their gods. The cutting of the flesh was demonstrated by the prophets of Baal on Mount Carmel. It is not to be forgotten that the demon-possessed man in Mark 5 was in the habit of cutting himself with stones. Cutting and masochistic self-flagellation is also practiced by Muslims during their festival of Muharram. In short, the injunctions in Lev 19:26-28 are a strong condemnation of heathen practices – witchcraft, astrology, cutting, tattooing, tonsures, etc.

In 1 Samuel 15:23 we are told that ‘rebellion is like the sin of witchcraft’. Tattoos sported by today’s youth have been the mark of rebellion and hatred of authority (besides, rejection of all moral values). In God’s eyes, the sin of tattooing is like witch-craft. We have already seen the origins of tattoos in witch-craft and shamanism. It remains to be researched whether this ‘witch-craft’ has also led to widespread demon-possession. No, tattoos are not ‘body decoration’; they have nothing to do with fashion and beauty; but rather they are sinister signs of moral decay and infiltration by evil spirits into modern society.


TOPICS: General Discusssion; History
KEYWORDS: bible; christians; god; jesus; pagans; tattoo
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I was interested in the cultural and historical meaning and reasons for tattoos which is pretty much accurate here.
1 posted on 11/01/2013 8:21:51 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

Could your tattoo give you cancer? Scientists fear toxins from ink could enter blood and accumulate in your major organs

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2428867/Could-tattoo-cancer-Scientists-fear-toxins-ink-enter-blood-accumulate-major-organs.html


2 posted on 11/01/2013 8:25:46 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: DouglasKC

I always thought using your body as a sticky note was silly and disrespectful of your God given body, perhaps even a sin for that disrespect.


3 posted on 11/01/2013 8:28:46 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: DouglasKC

Before the tattoo is on the body it’s in the mind. Tattoos are mere physical manifestations of what’s in the head....


4 posted on 11/01/2013 8:29:06 AM PDT by freebilly (Creepy and the Ass Crackers....)
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To: DouglasKC

5 posted on 11/01/2013 8:29:50 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("The heart of the matter is God's love. It always has been. It always will be."~Abp. Chaput)
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To: Irenic
Not only that, but women who have “tramp stamps” and later may need an epidural for childbirth are in danger because there is a risk of injecting a needle into the spine through the tattoo.

Honestly, I cannot understand how Christ followers can tattoo themselves. Yes, I understand those who receive Christ post tattoo, but getting a tattoo after receiving Christ always perplexed and bothered me.

6 posted on 11/01/2013 8:31:42 AM PDT by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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To: DouglasKC

Thank you for this. Tattooes are simply insane. As mentioned above they are prohibited in the Bible. It is nothing more than defacing a human body with permanent graffiti. No. I don’t favor outlawing them. But I do remember back in the day, you only saw them on truckers and sailors. Now-—so many women have them. I really don’t get it. I don’t understand why people are going out of their way to make themselves look so unattractive. I don’t know how people expect to find decent jobs covered from head to toe with tattooes and body piercings. I see people in the supermarket paying with Food Stamps. They found the money to pay for their tattooes but they cannot find the money to pay for their food. A few months ago we went to water park. It seemed as though nearly 70 to 80% of the people there had tattooes. Getting a tattoo is not like getting a bad haircut. You are STUCK with it and removing them is no easy procedure. This is insane. I saw a report the other day that 90 million working age Americans are not currently employed. We are truly descending into hell.


7 posted on 11/01/2013 8:32:04 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: DouglasKC

I’ve always been amazed by peopole who can’t get enough ink injected under their skin, yet cringe at the thought of drinking tap water.


8 posted on 11/01/2013 8:32:58 AM PDT by NRA1995 (I'd rather be a living "gun culture" member than a dead anti-gun candy-ass.)
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To: DouglasKC

The essay makes some good points in general, but the “The Psychological Aspect” section is just waaaaaaaaaaay over the top.


9 posted on 11/01/2013 8:35:18 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: DouglasKC
Next time you see a Marine sporting the eagle, globe and anchor tattoo; do not preach to him or call him a heathen.

Just shake his hand and say 'God Bless'.

10 posted on 11/01/2013 8:35:33 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: DouglasKC

Meh…I could take them or leave them, but I know many young women who will be desperately seeking to scrub them off by age fifty. Tats don’t age well. For a glimpse of the future, they should have taken a look at some of my older friends tats. These guys were old school, W.W. II and Korea combat vets sporting traditional blue ink “flash” tats of swallows, Marine globe and anchor, hearts, etc. All now just a smeared skin stains.


11 posted on 11/01/2013 8:37:53 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: DouglasKC

Religion and medical issues aside, they depict low class.


12 posted on 11/01/2013 8:39:23 AM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: Obadiah
Don't forget about those incredible tattoo fails.
http://media.heavy.com/media/2013/02/juge.jpg http://www.randomfail.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/fast-food-tattoo-fail.jpg http://pic.epicfail.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/tattoo-fail-baby-hold-finger.jpg http://www.dudelol.com/img/tattoo-fail.jpg
13 posted on 11/01/2013 8:39:34 AM PDT by thetallguy24
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To: GeronL; onyx; ToastedHead
Another thread about bodies.

Let's see if Geron can out do his pic fest yesterday......

Fat Tat butts?

14 posted on 11/01/2013 8:39:50 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Mr Reid, tear down this law!)
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To: DouglasKC

When I put pictures on my wall, I don’t coat the back of them with epoxy and drive screws through the frame of the picture directly into the studs.

If permanent pictures on the walls of your home aren’t a good idea, then what about permanent pictures on your body?


15 posted on 11/01/2013 8:40:26 AM PDT by FLAMING DEATH (I'm not racist - I hate Biden too!)
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To: DouglasKC

I’ve tried to find his previous article, “The Dangers of Tattoos” but was unable to do so. Anyone know where it is?


16 posted on 11/01/2013 8:41:56 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: DouglasKC

I thought the article was mostly BS. All that crap about shamans and the devil. Mostly horse dung to me.

Tattoos are just plain ugly and will get uglier as the colors leave. Why anyone would want to go into old age with a blue colored arm is crazy to me.

Certainly they are probably a sign of anti-establishmentarianism and also a sign to parents that this child needs work. They need something, and it isn’t more tattoos.
The old adage was if your friend jumped off a cliff would you do it too, works here , only they do jump off that cliff. Kids today pay way too much attention to their peers and don’t think for themselves.I guess they learn that in school to.


17 posted on 11/01/2013 8:42:42 AM PDT by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: DouglasKC

I’ve had a small tattoo of a spider on my left forearm since 1971 (I was 19) and yet somehow I’m not a criminal or drug addict. In fact, I retired at age 53 with over a million in retirement funds - my homes, cars and boats are paid for by the sweat of my brow and nobody else. Don’t paint with such a broad brush - or needle.


18 posted on 11/01/2013 8:44:02 AM PDT by dainbramaged (Joe McCarthy was right.)
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To: Lakeshark

It’s way too early for me.

I think we’ve had face tat threads before though.


19 posted on 11/01/2013 8:44:13 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Obadiah

Into the spine? are you kidding the needle barley breaks three layers of epidermis.


20 posted on 11/01/2013 8:46:19 AM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains' obama's Americaas ord)
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To: DouglasKC

When a writer says “never” and I know otherwise, it falls apart.

Copts in Egypt have a small tattoo of a cross on their hand.


21 posted on 11/01/2013 8:46:40 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Irenic
I'm gonna give smoking a pass, here. I don't indulge myself, except for a very rare celebratory cigar, but I cannot see that it has moral significance.

Abuse of smoking might be a sin because the body is God's temple (1 Corinthians 6:19), so a pack a day-er might be indulging in sin. However, smoking does not affect your mental make-up like alcohol, and drugs, and even alcohol, taken in moderation is not harmful to the body. So, I'm giving it a pass, too.

Now I might be wrong, but frankly, I've got much more serious sins to account for. Thankfully, they are under the blood. But I can't worry about those two.

22 posted on 11/01/2013 8:46:40 AM PDT by chesley
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To: DouglasKC
I had to look up what I thought a tonsure could possibly look like. Sure enough it is.



Remind you of someone?
23 posted on 11/01/2013 8:47:37 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: DouglasKC
Carnal Christians side-step the injuction in Leviticus 19;28 by arguing that the commandment is for Old Testament Israel and not for New Testament Christians. Does that mean that bestiality and child sacrifice which are forbidden in Leviticus are for Old Testament Israel and not for New Testament Christians? The New Testament does not have to spell out all sins. Smoking, for instance, is not mentioned in the Bible anywhere; but does it mean that smoking is not a vice or sin?

I can't imagine a more stupid argument than the above. First, the author hasn't a clue, apparently, about the New Testament preserving sexual morality instructions. Next, he tries to equate getting a tattoo with bestiality.

Getting a tattoo is no different than eating shrimp.

The dangers of tattoos are medical and cosmetic. They have absolutely nothing to do with sin.

I have heard that pagans and occult practitioners meet in buildings and drive cars.

24 posted on 11/01/2013 8:47:54 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: DouglasKC

Plain and simple, I believe that deciding to get a tatoo just shows that you are assigning importance to the wrong things in life.


25 posted on 11/01/2013 8:49:27 AM PDT by RatRipper (The political left are utterly evil and corrupt)
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To: DouglasKC

Old Testament is the Law, New Testament is Grace
A friend of mine is in prison ministry, he is prohibited from bringing a Bible, he can comment on his tattoos if asked.
His tattoos share his walk with Christ and the plan of Salvation.
I know several surfers who have tattoos who use them for witnessing, the tattoos can visually show the plan of Salvation.
I know many people who use their tattoos for witnessing.
None of those are paganism.
Some people are tattoophobic.


26 posted on 11/01/2013 8:50:12 AM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains' obama's Americaas ord)
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To: svcw

I just think tattoos are ugly and stupid and yes, sinful

no phobia in that


27 posted on 11/01/2013 8:51:08 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: DouglasKC
Carnal Christians side-step the injuction in Leviticus 19;28 by arguing that the commandment is for Old Testament Israel and not for New Testament Christians. Does that mean that bestiality and child sacrifice which are forbidden in Leviticus are for Old Testament Israel and not for New Testament Christians?

People who use this verse to justify their opposition to tattoos always seem to ignore the preceding verse:

"27 “‘Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard."

Picking and choosing rules from the Old Testament like food at a buffet line is the sign of someone who does not understand Galatians 5:1

So Christ has truly set us free. Now make sure that you stay free, and don't get tied up again in slavery to the law.

28 posted on 11/01/2013 8:51:29 AM PDT by EricT. (Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Big brother is watching you.)
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To: Tax-chick

“but does it mean that smoking is not a vice or sin?”

Ugh.


29 posted on 11/01/2013 8:51:51 AM PDT by Anoreth (It is not moth eaten. It is superb.)
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To: Obadiah

...but don’t all person wanting to be youth pastors have to sport tats so the youth can think they are hip.


30 posted on 11/01/2013 8:53:07 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: CodeToad
I always thought using your body as a sticky note was silly and disrespectful of your God given body, perhaps even a sin for that disrespect.

More than that, it is a self-idolizing call for attention. I've noticed that the people with the most conspicuous tattoos are chronically of this mindset.

31 posted on 11/01/2013 8:53:52 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Irenic

I like the Daily Mail myself but someone once pointed out this list “The Daily Mail’s list of things that give you cancer”.

http://cancerbattlefield.com/the-daily-mail-list-of-things-that-give-you-cancer//

Websearch “daily mail things that can give you cancer” and find the list in full.


32 posted on 11/01/2013 8:54:35 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: laotzu

Thank you laotzu. Semper Fi!


33 posted on 11/01/2013 8:55:17 AM PDT by gunner03
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To: chesley

I imagine most any indulgence carried to extreme would be a sin. I won’t be throwing stones anytime soon.


34 posted on 11/01/2013 8:56:04 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: DouglasKC

Welcome to my life, tattoo
I’m a man now, thanks to you
I expect I’ll regret you
But the skin graft man won’t get you
You’ll be there when I die
Tattoo


35 posted on 11/01/2013 8:56:17 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: DouglasKC

Tattoos and piercings are self-mutilation, nothing more. Ask yourself if a mentally healthy person would mutilate him/herself.


36 posted on 11/01/2013 8:57:43 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: truth_seeker

Ethiopian Christians often have religious tattoos, as well. There are several families in my parish.


37 posted on 11/01/2013 8:58:11 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("The heart of the matter is God's love. It always has been. It always will be."~Abp. Chaput)
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To: xzins
I have heard that pagans and occult practitioners meet in buildings and drive cars.

And some have even posted on Free Republic.

38 posted on 11/01/2013 8:58:19 AM PDT by MeganC (Support Matt Bevin to oust Mitch McConnell! https://mattbevin.com/)
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To: GeronL

Then don’t get one.
They are used for all sorts of reasons and no they are not sinful.


39 posted on 11/01/2013 8:58:55 AM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains' obama's Americaas ord)
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To: DouglasKC

Sailor Tattoos are legion especially World War II and some time after, anchors and other things have been very popular. That is the one thing the article does not mention.


40 posted on 11/01/2013 8:59:09 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: DouglasKC

Derbyshire wrote about this too, and sees the proliferation of tatoos as a symptom of deep society illness. I agree.


41 posted on 11/01/2013 8:59:49 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: DouglasKC

Jesus has His name written on His thigh.


42 posted on 11/01/2013 9:00:06 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: Tax-chick

Yeah cool, but my reasons for being anti-tatted are simple. They don’t improve with age. Tastes change. They reduce earning potential over a lifetime. They reduce the pool of available mates. People change. They are addictive. And, of course, they scream out~ Look at me! Isn’t it strange to think that a person looks at a part of their body, and the notion comes over them... Wow, look at that arm! That thing needs some dressing up!


43 posted on 11/01/2013 9:01:42 AM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell)
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To: laotzu

Many are memorials. Women dye their hair every six weeks. Any tattoo owners over 70?


44 posted on 11/01/2013 9:01:48 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: DouglasKC

Nothing transforms a pretty girl into an ugly one faster than a tattoo and a foul mouth. They seem to often pair up.


45 posted on 11/01/2013 9:02:20 AM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: MeganC

And vote

Pagans have been known to vote


46 posted on 11/01/2013 9:02:33 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: thetallguy24

47 posted on 11/01/2013 9:02:51 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (The 0baMao Experiment: Abject Failure)
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To: Anoreth

*shrug*

Just don’t drink too much dihydrogen monoxide.


48 posted on 11/01/2013 9:03:25 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("The heart of the matter is God's love. It always has been. It always will be."~Abp. Chaput)
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To: DouglasKC
Sons of Anarchy Ink most of them wash off.
49 posted on 11/01/2013 9:03:26 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: DouglasKC

I have a relative who is covered with them. She also has autoimmune problems. Of course she thinks one has nothing to do with the other.


50 posted on 11/01/2013 9:03:33 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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