Posted on 11/17/2013 11:36:26 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Not according to the Pharises:
Mark 2:23 And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn.
24 And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?
25 And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?
26 How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
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Mark 3:1 And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there which had a withered hand.
2 And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him.
3 And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth.
4 And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
5 And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.
6 And the Pharisees went forth, and straightway took counsel with the Herodians against him, how they might destroy him.
First and foremost Jesus is the Christ. Who died for everyone, not just the “jews”
Nope. Born a Jew. Now a Christian.
There’s no argument that Christianity cannot be Judaism.
While it’s true that a Jew who openly embraces another religion does not forfeit his Jewishness (and women still transmit Jewishness to their offspring), it is also true that such a Jew might forfeit some of the privileges of being Jewish (such as being buried in a Jewish cemetery).
A Jew who has converted to another faith need not undergo conversion to Judaism when he decides to return to his Jewish faith.
Then I'm sure you'll want to pay particular attention to this verse in the Torah in Deuteronomy:
Deuteronomy 18:15 "The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken"
I think you have to go back and do some reading. Yeshua came for the Jews first. He was their Messiah first. The Jews rejected him and then He became the Savior of the gentiles. If the Jews hadn’t rejected Him there would be no gentile Christians.
Sorry that Schneerson wasn’t your guy.
Anyone with your kind of arrogant stridency has something to hide, and knows deep down that there is something very wrong in what you believe, but is afraid to admit it for fear of losing temporal gain.
Just let the facts lead you to where you know your heart wants to go.
“If the Jews hadn’t rejected Him there would be no gentile Christians.”
Your theology on this point stinketh...
It was never ordained in eternity past that Yeshua was to the Jew only.
No, I believe you are incorrect. You obviously did not read what I said nor what the Bible says. Do some studying and then come back with a bit more knowledge of the subject.
PS. Read in the NT what Yeshua said to the lady at the table. Look it up for your edification.
Oh, I see you’re back to this open proselytizing on the forum.
***Nothing wrong with proselytizing, and it’s not against the rules on this forum. So what’s your problem with it?
You cannot accept J.C. and be a Jew. The two are incompatible. End of story.
***You mean Paul wasn’t a jew? Jesus wasn’t a jew? Nor the 11 apostles, nor the vast majority of the first christians? You are simply wrong. End of story.
He is forming the Church the Body of Christ, where there is neither Jew nor Gentile, but one new man (Eph. 2:14-22). Being a Jew does not help, being a Gentile does not help. God sees every man as individuals, and desires to be reconciled to each by the finished work of Christ. We are all on equal footing before God. He is not dealing with a kingdom of believers now, but a body of believers. Where there is neither Jew nor Greek, male nor female, bond or free (1 Cor. 12:13).
RE: You Sir are a fool of the first order.
That remains to be seen. It could be that the adjective applies to you... let’s see your reasoning...
RE: The Torah is the rules to live by G-D gave us.
Well, if God gave us rules, it also means He is the author of those rules. If those rules are His and He is sovereign, I don’t see why He cannot change those rules the way He sees fit for the times.
RE: I live inside of Torah by the word of G-D everyday as best I can.
Good for you. I admire you for that. I hope you can do it perfectly because this God we worship demands perfection.
RE: My G-D is not double minded or says one thing one time and another at another time.
Let me ask you a question, do you still sacrifice a pure lamb in order to be right with God? If so, I’d like to know where you do it.
If not, why aren’t you doing it, since He made it a requirement in the Torah.
RE: Yeshua said “Do you think I came to put away the Law?” No he lived inside of Torah everyday of his life. The Feasts are the Feasts of G_D not Jews, just as the Law is the Law of G_D not of the Jews.
Well, since you are arguing the New Testament now and not the Torah, I would assume that you made Yeshua an authority.
If you accept the premise that Yeshua is the Lord of all, then if Yeshua makes something clean, it IS clean.
This is the same Yeshua who chose Peter as His disciple.
In the book of Acts 10 ( starting from verse 9 ), it says thusly:
9 The next day, as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the housetop about the sixth hour to pray. 10 And he became hungry and wanted something to eat, but while they were preparing it, he fell into a trance 11 and saw the heavens opened and something like a great sheet descending, being let down by its four corners upon the earth. 12 In it were all kinds of animals and reptiles and birds of the air. 13 And there came a voice to him: “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.” 14 But Peter said, “By no means, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean.” 15 And the voice came to him again a second time, “What God has made clean, do not call common.” 16 This happened three times, and the thing was taken up at once to heaven.”
17 Now while Peter was inwardly perplexed as to what the vision that he had seen might mean, behold, the men who were sent by Cornelius, having made inquiry for Simon’s house, stood at the gate 18 and called out to ask whether Simon who was called Peter was lodging there. 19 And while Peter was pondering the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Behold, three men are looking for you. 20 Rise and go down and accompany them without hesitation,[c] for I have sent them.” 21 And Peter went down to the men and said, “I am the one you are looking for. What is the reason for your coming?” 22 And they said, “Cornelius, a centurion, an upright and God-fearing man, who is well spoken of by the whole Jewish nation, was directed by a holy angel to send for you to come to his house and to hear what you have to say.” 23 So he invited them in to be his guests.
The next day he rose and went away with them, and some of the brothers from Joppa accompanied him. 24 And on the following day they entered Caesarea. Cornelius was expecting them and had called together his relatives and close friends. 25 When Peter entered, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I too am a man.” 27 And as he talked with him, he went in and found many persons gathered. 28 And he said to them, “You yourselves know how unlawful it is for a Jew to associate with or to visit anyone of another nation, but God has shown me that I should not call any person common or unclean. 29 So when I was sent for, I came without objection. I ask then why you sent for me.”
Do you see what’s happening here?
Yeshua is telling his disciple that WHAT HE HAS MADE CLEAN ( the previously unclean animals), IS CLEAN.
Of course, if you do not accept the premise of Yeshua being the “I AM” who identified Himself to Moses in the burning bush, the entire presentation I just gave to you is moot.
My husband’s family is half Catholic half Jewish. Our joke is: You wouldn’t believe how many kids we have!
You’re welcome. Spending the day with some family and friends of the family. How about you?
I look at it this way: The Jews refused to listen to Jeremiah; they refused to listen to Jesus. The result in both cases, was the destruction of the Temple and the carrying of God’s word to the other nations, the very opposite of what happens at Babel.
You speak without referencences...without references, without merit.
And another pseudo theologian heard from.
PS - and note. No Jews no Yeshua. Think about that.
Matthew 15:21-28
Matthew 28:18-20
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