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Colofornian | Dec. 23, 2013 | Colofornian

[Colofornian]

I can't picture Jesus ever posting on Free Republic. It's not in His nature.

Then tell us why would even bring up your lame "What Would Jesus Do" comment? "Seriously, can you picture Jesus initiating thread after thread after thread bashing the Samaritans?" analogy in post #24.

So you first use something as an analogy, and then it finally dawns on you to be such an extreme off-the-mark illustration that you back off of it?

No. I can't picture him initiating thread after thread either... initiate an anti-Colofornian thread.

You're truly funny. Often, the ONLY difference between posting a thread and posting a comment on a given thread is that you as the thread-poster get to make the first comment(s) and many of the responses are directed back to you.

Otherwise, it's all just simple posting -- whether you started the thread or not. And ALL posters -- including the one who selected the thread -- can direct the conversation any way they want...that's not the prerogative of the thread poster alone.

So...your Samaritan example applies to first posters of a thread, but not to ensuing posters of a thread? Now who's threading some legalistic distinctions in order to avoid applying his own standards to himself?

You must be a gymnast; I see cartwheels all aflutter in your last response.

So answer the question I posed to you in my last post, only I'll now reword it since you begged off your lame Jesus posting on FR illustration:

Can you picture Jesus writing greeting card after greeting card bashing me as described in my last post...with His "Amening" and "dittoing" the references I listed in my last post?

Does Jesus go around making generic accusations of people being "hateful," "judgmental," "slanderous", "legalistic", ""bigoted," "constant spew of bile," and "bashing" as you have accused me today?

[Gamecock]

**Keep in mind, you’re not going to find anyone who actually approves of your religion who is a Christian.**

Well, informed Christians anyway. Osteen seems confused by it all.

[Lazamataz]

It’s a negative obsession towards Mormonism. It’s not a positive thing. I know and respect people who promote Christianity and do so with much more positive effect than the Bash Mormonism Crowd.

You want to make like being ‘a passionate defender of the Gospel’ is a always good thing. Passion about the Gospel can be a good thing. Then there are actions in which it is not. The Inquisitors of Spain would argue that they, too, ‘passionately defended the Gospel’. They would ALSO be wrong.

Obsession is a character defect. Ask God to remove your character defects, so that you can be of greater service to Him.

[Colofornian]

Obsession is a character defect.

What you label "obsession" -- I call zeal.

Therefore, assessing zeal depends upon the purpose, and not simply trying to practice psychological evaluations upon complete strangers -- something that isn't very ethical for you or anybody to engage in.

The apostle Paul said: "It is fine to be zealous, provided the purpose is good..." (Galatians 4:18)

In fact, in the development of Hebrew words in the Old Testament, zealous and jealous are related. You or somebody else might pre-judge "zealousness/jealousness" as a negative character trait...but you'd be wrong:

"14 Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God"< (Exodus 34:14)

And God's jealousy isn't tainted like man's; He has a right to creative ownership of us. ********

So...if you're going to start pre-judging (pre-judging is where we get the word "prejudice" from) complete strangers, why haven't we heard you judge the obsessions of temple Mormons?

Lds spend MILLIONS of man-hours researching the dead & $millions in doing that -- and baptizing the dead...and you call this little "back room" operation of a few bucks "obsessive?" (You're hilarious on that count)

Additionally, Mormon missionaries spend up to 70 hrs. per week for two years...not allowed home for the holidays...and part of that they continually bash worldwide Christianity as "apostate"...Is that sanctioned by posters like you...because apparently many don't raise a peep to the Mormon Church about that. (Why not?)

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Finally, for the Son of God to take on baby form and dirty his diapers...all so that we would be saved by this Immanuel...and that He still is both God and man even now in eternity...now that's the kind of obsession we can all in this world appreciate: A God who actually is so jealous of us -- in the best sense of the word -- that He would send His Son to become man and die for us on the cross.

(I would hope you wouldn't call Jesus' zeal as a "character defect")

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

“It’s a negative obsession towards Mormonism. It’s not a positive thing. I know and respect people who promote Christianity and do so with much more positive effect than the Bash Mormonism Crowd.”

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Really? Actually, there ARE Mormons who have been known to repent because of the work of Colofornian and the other Inmans. Can you name one Mormon who ever converted because you shied away from exposing the corruptions of their religion?

That said, men do not convert anyone. It is the Holy Spirit which converts, with us merely being the tools who gave out the outward call.

[Lazamataz]

Crazy as hell. Both of you. Hope you eventually get some relief from what drives the insanity. Probably won’t happen until you humbly ask God. Good night.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

“Probably won’t happen until you humbly ask God. Good night.”

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If only you’d humbly ask God instead of starting off with the lib tactics!

[Colofornian]

You said you have a "ministry". A "ministry" of what I might ask

There's a 5-volume work from the Lds 10th "prophet," Joseph Fielding Smith...called Answers to Gospel Questions ...published by the Lds-church owned Deseret Book Company. I own this series -- and have read all 5 small books. (I'm sure most Mormons haven't read them)

In that series work, JF Smith twice outlined the key mandates of an Lds missionary. In both volumes 1 and 4, Joseph Fielding Smith cited the same Doctrines & Covenants passage: 88:81-82...this is regarded as "Mormon 'scripture'":
"Behold, I sent you out to testify and
WARN the people, and it becometh every man who hath been
WARNED to WARN his neighbor.
Therefore, they are left without excuse, and their sins are upon their own heads.

Joseph Fielding Smith then, after citing these verses in volumes 1 and 4, mentioned the following:

"This commission to go forth which was given in the beginning is still in force and BINDING on every missionary who goes forth today to declare the gospel of salvation in the world." (Answers to Gospel Questions, vol. I, p. 134, 1957/1979)

And:

"...there are certain commandments missionaries should remember...they are sent not only to preach and bear testimony and bring people to repentance...but to WARN ALL men..." (Vol. 4, p. 55 1963/1979)

Do you know what I took away from reading Joseph Fielding Smith here? What I took away is that I am glad we live in a country where Lds missionaries are free to warn others as they see fit.

Yet...I wonder...
...has it dawned on Mormons yet, that there was a second sentence to this comment that mutually applies?

Would Mormons actually agree that D&C 88:81-82 + Joseph Fielding Smith's application...
...that the responsibility goes beyond testifying???

Would Mormons "amen" me if I said I'm glad to be a member of my church and worship as I see fit (one of Mormonism's articles of faith)...
...and that this also includes the freedom to engage in an exchange of mutual warning with my neighbors, the Mormons???

Mormons wouldn't begrudge me the same freedom they expect to have their Lds missionaries receive, would they?

Joseph Fielding Smith said the very essence -- the commission and commandments -- of an Lds missionary is to warn all men. Right?

So I ask you Stormprepper -- and other Mormons -- point blank:
Why is it when Lds missionaries "warn" Christians, that gets an "amen!" by Mormons...But when the reverse occurs, Mormons are quick to the draw to pull out their victim card and screetch, "Anti-Mormon! Anti-Mormon!"

What? Proselytizing/warning for thee, but no witnessing/warning for me?

When Lds missionaries warn us as Christians, is the usual Christian response to those specific comments, "Oh, you're anti-Christian, eh?"

Therefore I detect a LOT of religious hypocritical inconsistency here. You want all the Christian homes that might host a Mormon missionary for a visit to welcome their proselyting efforts and their warnings...but the moment the table is turned re: witnessing/warnings...Mormons tend to engage in what GPH noted I post #39: "They rely solely on emotion and political correctness." (And part of the PCness is to try to shoot the messenger -- and thereby not have to deal with the message itself)

[Lazamataz]

I’m already working on me. You oughta give it a try someday.

Dismissed.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

“I’m already working on me. You oughta give it a try someday.”

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I’ll disappoint all Pharisees everywhere by declaring: I have! Every day of my life! Though I can’t say I do it very well.

[Colofornian]

Crazy as hell. Both of you. Hope you eventually get some relief from what drives the insanity. Probably won’t happen until you humbly ask God. Good night.

Yeah, I already knew I was in good company with Greetings_Puny_Humans...now with this latest "diagnosing complete strangers over the internet" comments of yours...it actually broadens that good company! Laz, for your "lesson of the day" tomorrow, you can turn to Acts 26:24 re: Festus' conversation with the Apostle Paul, who wrote most of the New Testament:
24 At this point Festus interrupted Paul’s defense. “You are out of your mind, Paul!” he shouted. “Your great learning is driving you insane.” 25 “I am not insane, most excellent Festus,” Paul replied. “What I am saying is true and reasonable."

Yup. What Greetings_puny_humans and I have been saying is "true and reasonable."

As GPH has already noted, what we tend to hear from Mormons & their non-Mormon cohorts are...
..generic personal accusations...
...Psychological evaluations of complete strangers over the Internet by people not even qualified to pinpoint their dog's state of mind...
...and emotional drama based upon "feelings-based" testimonies.

[StormPrepper]

"Hoodat, at best, thinks we ought to be nice,"

Your brand of "christianity" brought us the Inquisition.
My spouse is a direct descendant of David Evans, who was gunned down in his field by a group of "christians" which included three protestant ministers at the Haun's Mill Massacre.

Several years ago there was a Focus On The Family employee that used to picket in front of my Church building every Sunday. He would carry signs that read "The Mormon Jesus is Murderer". He would continuously yell obscenities at the families as they would walk into the building, including my family.

I could talk about how I was treated by the baptist churches in my home town after I joined the LDS Church. How a deacon from my old baptist church looked me straight in the eye and through gritted teeth and said "I'll kill you you F* Mormon!"

I have seen your loving version of "christianity" up close.

Hoodat thinks you ought "at least" be nice...well...so do I.

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Maybe some day you can set Jesus straight on what being a "christian" means. Because he clearly isn't on board. Being nice pffft!

7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

Peter clearly meant that acting kindly and brotherly kindness and charity was only meant for Bible b'lieven "christians", right? You can treat everyone else like crap because they're going to hell anyways...right?

Colossians 3:12
12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

Except when were dealing with those frigg'n Mormons right? You don't have be nice to them, you've damned them to hell haven't you? Shoot is was legal to kill Mormons in Missouri till 1976.

Titus 3:
2 To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.

Well, unless his name is Joseph Smith. Or pretty much any Mormon we can name or identify. Clearly Paul meant gentle when dealing with old women(non-Mormon ones), babies, and puppies.(Maybe kittens)

Matthew 7:2
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Unless of course you have your handy dandy "christian" get out of judgement free card. Then you to can damn Mormons to hell like everyone else does!

I'd prefer you stopped acting like a "christian" and start acting like Jesus.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

“”Hoodat thinks you ought “at least” be nice...well...so do I. “

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Depends on what you mean by “nice.” If by nice, you mean ‘Don’t judge the Mormon religion,” then that would be stupid of me to agree to. If it means, “You can criticize my religion, but just don’t refer to my Prophet as a pedophile and a bigamist,” I certainly won’t agree to it either. The truth is, he is both of those things. And, the truth is, the scripture declares that any who hold to heretical teachings will NOT enter the Kingdom of heaven.

If you think that’s not “nice,” you’re just going to have to deal with it. No point in talking about how mean we all are constantly. It just comes off as whining.

“Your brand of “christianity” brought us the Inquisition.”

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I’m not Catholic, though I am Spanish. I do support putting people out of the church who are heretics though, per biblical standards.

“My spouse is a direct descendant of David Evans, who was gunned down in his field by a group of “christians” which included three protestant ministers at the Haun’s Mill Massacre.”

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I’m not sure I believe you. I think I will need some documentation of this first. Either way, I can one up you:

“Beneath the sands of the once-beautiful land lie the bones of more than 120 men, women and children slain at Mountain Meadows in 1857, their mortal remains left to the caprices of nature and their killers protected by Utahs peculiar theocracy. Only one participant was ever punished for the butchery, although more than 50 men took part.”

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/mass/mtn_meadows/index.html

Now Blood Atonement:

“Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon religion and its first prophet, taught that certain sins were so so serious as to put the sinner “beyond the reach of the atoning blood of Christ.” For these fallen sinners, their “only hope” lay in having “their own blood shed to atone.” Smith made clear that the shedding of “innocent blood” (including killing anyone less than eight years old, the age of accountability in Mormon teaching) was an unpardonable sin which, along with failing to keep their covenants or betraying their testimonies, could lead to eternal damnation. In Smith’s theology, the doctrine applied only to Mormons, but it was widely viewed as providing justification for shedding the blood of apostates.

Brigham Young took the doctrine of blood atonement further than Smith. According to historian Juanita Brooks, “Young advocated and preached it without compromise.” Young, in an 1857 fire-and-brimstone sermon, demanded to know whether his his flock would have the courage to do what was necessary should a fellow Mormon commit an unforgiveable sin: “Will you love that man or woman well enough to shed his blood?” Some sinners, Young preached, who are “now angels to the devil” could have been saved if only some among their Mormon brethren would have “spilled their blood on the ground as a smoking incense to the almighty.”

While Church leaders might have emphasized the practice of blood atonement against fallen Mormons, it contributed to the culture of extreme violence that marred the history of early Utah. The sermons of Brigham Young undoubtedly inspired his followers to commit murder, however unfair might have been the popular press’s willingness to blame every violent act in the territory to blood atonement.”

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/mountainmeadows/atonement.html

Can you please find anywhere in the confessions of the Southern Baptists, RCC, Presbyterians, any doctrine similar to Blood Atonement, or any command to murder enemies of the church?

[Colofornian]

[To Greetings_puny_humans]: Your brand of "christianity" brought us the Inquisition.

(The last time a Mormon FREEPER tried linking Christians on this thread to the violence of a Mormon bishop being murdered in Visalia wound up getting him rightly zotted from FR...more ultra-dramatic innuendos without even any veneer of avoiding a personal attack)

Tell us StormPrepper exactly how many Mormons have died at Protestants' hands...and then we'll tell you how many more have died at Mormons' hands (Mountain Meadows Massacre alone outnumbered the entire # of deaths in Missouri by FAR!)

My spouse is a direct descendant of David Evans, who was gunned down in his field by a group of "christians" which included three protestant ministers at the Haun's Mill Massacre.

What happened 6 days before Hawn's Mill?
Answer: On October 25, 1838, the Battle of Crooked River: Mormon forces attacked (unknowingly?) the Missouri state militia under the command of Samuel Bogart. This incident became one of the principal points of conflicts in 1838 Missouri. The battle resulted in the death of three militia and the LDS leader, David Patten. One of the militia was taken prisoner by the Mormons.
Source: http://www.carm.org/religious-movements/mormonism/are-christians-persecuting-mormons

Could it be StormPrepper, that you are you so blinded by "faith-promoting" historical versions that you think the State of Missouri militia was just going to crumble because your beloved "Zion" was violently attacking state authorities?

Several years ago there was a Focus On The Family employee that used to picket in front of my Church building every Sunday. He would carry signs that read "The Mormon Jesus is Murderer". He would continuously yell obscenities at the families as they would walk into the building, including my family.

Yeah, I've heard other Mormons who were supposedly there tell me things about him. The picketing, apparently "yup." The sign, "The Mormon Jesus is Murderer"? (apparently "yup, too." Yelling? (apparently "yup"). Obscenities? (Haven't heard that one before, but who knows?)...

And, as for the "The Mormon Jesus is Murderer" sign...

Well...just compare the Biblical Jesus to the Book of Mormon one:

The Biblical Jesus came to see that they would have life (John 10:10); the Book of Mormon jesus came to bring down destruction (3 Nephi 9:12) and ensure that people would "howl" in that destruction (3 Nephi 8:23);
The Biblical Jesus came to ensure people would have abundant life (John 10:10); the Book of Mormon jesus came to ensure people would be in "continual...mourning" (3 Nephi 8:23);
The Biblical Jesus came to be the Light of the world (John 1:9; 8:12; 9:5); the Book of Mormon jesus came to yield complete darkness for three days (3 Nephi 8:23) NOTE: Please read 3 Nephi 8:8-->3 Nephi 9:12 for entire picture of overwhelming destruction caused by the Mormon 'Jesus': Cities were supposedly all either sunk by the Mormon jesus, or horrifically burned to death, plus for added emphasis, ”many great destructions have I caused to come upon this land...” (3 Nephi 9:12)...All told, upon the Mormon jesus' death, he supposedly unleashes punishment. He levels 16 cities, killing 70,000-->90,000 people!

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

” Please read 3 Nephi 8:8—>3 Nephi 9:12 for entire picture of overwhelming destruction caused by the Mormon ‘Jesus’: Cities were supposedly all either sunk by the Mormon jesus, or horrifically burned to death, plus for added emphasis, ”many great destructions have I caused to come upon this land...” (3 Nephi 9:12)...All told, upon the Mormon jesus’ death, he supposedly unleashes punishment. He levels 16 cities, killing 70,000—>90,000 people!”

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I bet that was when the Mormon Jesus decided to destroy all archaeological evidence and change the geography of the Americas so that it would be impossible to confirm the Mormon religion with any verifiable facts!

It ALL makes sense now!

[Colofornian]

I bet that was when the Mormon Jesus decided to destroy all archaeological evidence and change the geography of the Americas so that it would be impossible to confirm the Mormon religion with any verifiable facts! It ALL makes sense now!

LOL

[Tulane]

You don’t get it. This website is about conservatism not religion. Until a group starts running around calling for government intervention to mandate citizens agree with something (gay marriage) I as a TRUE conservative couldn’t care less about what they believe about Jesus. As a Christian, their beliefs do not affect mine.

Are you sure you are a conservative? I have my doubts.

[Hoodat]

Your life will be fuller if you ask God to remove your character defects. He has worked to remove some of mine!

If we humbly ask Him. We are definitely on the same page here, my brother. There but for the grace of God go I.

[Hoodat]

Now you’ve done it. You actually brought scripture into this thread. Oh my word. Do you think Jesus will be upset that you quoted Him?

[Hoodat]

Depends on what you mean by “nice.” If by nice, you mean ‘Don’t judge the Mormon religion,” then that would be stupid of me to agree to.

Luke 6:37-38

“Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. . . unless the target of your judgment happens to be Samaritans. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. Give, and it will be given to you: good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be put into your bosom. For with the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you.”