Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Four 'blood-red' total lunar eclipses will fall on Passover and Sukkot in 2014 and 2015
Koenig International News ^ | May 13, 2008 | Bill Koenig

Posted on 12/29/2013 5:22:47 PM PST by Star Traveler

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-5051-100101-138 next last
To: editor-surveyor
The error would not have been two days
but instead a lunar month.

51 posted on 12/29/2013 8:11:40 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: editor-surveyor

I read something a couple of days ago linking the Six Day War with Psalm 83. Not sure about it, but it gave me something to think about!


52 posted on 12/29/2013 8:12:19 PM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: Former Fetus

Psalm 83 calls for the total destruction of the Arab states.


53 posted on 12/29/2013 8:18:14 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 52 | View Replies]

To: UriĀ’el-2012

I think the two days was because they have to furnish data to the Daily Diary and Calendar publishers way in advance.


54 posted on 12/29/2013 8:19:44 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: editor-surveyor

Psalm 83 describes the beginning and reasoning for the war (that the name of Israel may be remembered no longer) but it does not really describe the final state of the Arab countries that attack Israel (not all Arab countries do). A possible description can be found in Isa 17, Jer 48 and Eze 25 and 37. Most important, Psalm 83 involves only those Arab countries that immediately surround Israel.


55 posted on 12/29/2013 8:25:43 PM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 53 | View Replies]

To: fso301

I think you’re confusing this as a prophecy in the Bible. Let me put it another way, which may make it clearer - you could say that the Bible never existed and that there are no prophecies at all — and we would STILL be looking at this.

This has nothing to do with the Bible or prophecies - in and of itself. This is seeing a PATTERN (keeping in mind we would be looking at the same pattern, even if the Bible didn’t exist).

Here’s the pattern from the past ...

The Blood Red Moons Of 2014 And 2015: An Omen Of War For Israel?
http://thetruthwins.com/archives/the-blood-red-moons-of-2014-and-2015-an-omen-of-war-for-israel

Four TOTAL lunar eclipses occurred on the Jewish Passover and Feast of Tabernacles in 162 – 163 AD, coinciding with the worst persecution of Jews… and Christians in the history of the Roman Empire. Within 3 years the Antonine Plague killed eight million people, a third of the population.

Four TOTAL lunar eclipses occurred on the Jewish Passover and Yom Kippur Holidays in 795 – 796 AD while King Charlemagne of the Holy Roman Empire established a DMZ buffer zone between France and Spain, ending centuries of Arab invasions into Western Europe.

Four TOTAL lunar eclipses occurred on the Jewish Passover and Yom Kippur Holidays in 842 – 843 AD. Shortly after the eclipses the Vatican church in Rome was attacked and looted by an Islamic invasion from Africa.

Four TOTAL lunar eclipses occurred on the Jewish Passover and Yom Kippur Holidays in 860 – 861 AD. Shortly after the eclipses the Byzantine Empire defeated Arab armies at the Battle of Lalakaon in Turkey and permanently stopped the Islamic invasion of Eastern Europe.

Four TOTAL lunar eclipses occurred on the Jewish Passover and the Feast of Trumpets Holidays in 1493 – 1494. Only months after King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella of Spain ordered all Jewish people to leave the country (after about 200 AD, Spain became and remained a second Jewish homeland for well over a millennia. So deeply woven into the fabric of Spain are the Jews that neither history can be fully studied without considering the influence of the other).

And to these listed above, are two more - the establishing of the State of Israel, and Israel gaining full sovereignty over Jerusalem.


56 posted on 12/29/2013 8:27:05 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies]

To: fso301

Oh ... and one more thing about this you may be missing ... it’s not talking about simply blood moons, but about the TETRADS (loosely meaning four in a row).


57 posted on 12/29/2013 8:29:08 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies]

To: jjotto

Here’s that definition I was referring to earlier ...

Tetrad – four successive total lunar eclipses, with no partial lunar eclipses in between, each of which is separated from the other by six lunar months (six full moons).


58 posted on 12/29/2013 8:41:46 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler

bookmark


59 posted on 12/30/2013 7:21:52 AM PST by Faith65 (Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler

Per this post, you believe in the pretrib rapture. Since you seem to be in league with Mark Blitz, and possibly John Hagee the main promoter of the tetrad blood red moons, does this mean that Mark Blitz is also pretrib? As everyone is aware of, Hagee certainly is.


60 posted on 12/30/2013 7:31:25 AM PST by sasportas
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: editor-surveyor
Seals 1-5 have been underway for centuries.

Which is the standard Historicist take on the seals. Preterists, Historicists, and Futurists such as myself, interpret the Revelation data, and the seals, very differently.

61 posted on 12/30/2013 7:39:04 AM PST by sasportas
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: sasportas

When you say ... “Per this post, you believe in the pretrib rapture” ... the answer is yes, as I put down on my information page here — but that is not “per this post”. In other words, this post has nothing to do with the Pre-tribulational Rapture, that the Bible teaches.

In fact this post doesn’t directly have to do with anything the Bible says.

You may be confusing this as a prophecy in the Bible. Let me put it another way, which may make it clearer - you could say that the Bible never existed and that there are no prophecies at all — and we would STILL be looking at this.

This has nothing to do with the Bible or prophecies - in and of itself. This is seeing a PATTERN (keeping in mind we would be looking at the same pattern, even if the Bible didn’t exist).

Here’s the pattern from the past ...

The Blood Red Moons Of 2014 And 2015: An Omen Of War For Israel?
http://thetruthwins.com/archives/the-blood-red-moons-of-2014-and-2015-an-omen-of-war-for-israel

Four TOTAL lunar eclipses occurred on the Jewish Passover and Feast of Tabernacles in 162 – 163 AD, coinciding with the worst persecution of Jews… and Christians in the history of the Roman Empire. Within 3 years the Antonine Plague killed eight million people, a third of the population.

Four TOTAL lunar eclipses occurred on the Jewish Passover and Yom Kippur Holidays in 795 – 796 AD while King Charlemagne of the Holy Roman Empire established a DMZ buffer zone between France and Spain, ending centuries of Arab invasions into Western Europe.

Four TOTAL lunar eclipses occurred on the Jewish Passover and Yom Kippur Holidays in 842 – 843 AD. Shortly after the eclipses the Vatican church in Rome was attacked and looted by an Islamic invasion from Africa.

Four TOTAL lunar eclipses occurred on the Jewish Passover and Yom Kippur Holidays in 860 – 861 AD. Shortly after the eclipses the Byzantine Empire defeated Arab armies at the Battle of Lalakaon in Turkey and permanently stopped the Islamic invasion of Eastern Europe.

Four TOTAL lunar eclipses occurred on the Jewish Passover and the Feast of Trumpets Holidays in 1493 – 1494. Only months after King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella of Spain ordered all Jewish people to leave the country (after about 200 AD, Spain became and remained a second Jewish homeland for well over a millennia. So deeply woven into the fabric of Spain are the Jews that neither history can be fully studied without considering the influence of the other).

And to these listed above, are two more - the establishing of the State of Israel, and Israel gaining full sovereignty over Jerusalem.

Also, for those who don’t know, a Tetrad is defined as the following ...

Tetrad – four successive total lunar eclipses, with no partial lunar eclipses in between, each of which is separated from the other by six lunar months (six full moons).


62 posted on 12/30/2013 7:44:39 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 60 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler
I don’t believe that those who have been writing about this “tetrad” are saying that it’s related to any events of the second coming of Christ.

It is my understanding that Mark Blitz and John Hagee use the prophecy in Joel and Peter's reiteration of it in Acts 2 in their promoting of the tetrad blood red moons. The sun darkened the moon turned into blood in relation to the day of the Lord. Highly prophetic stuff I would say, yet you say it is not related to the second coming?

63 posted on 12/30/2013 7:46:54 AM PST by sasportas
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler

I was referring to post 23...you didn’t say whether or not Mark Blitz is pretrb like yourself.


64 posted on 12/30/2013 7:51:08 AM PST by sasportas
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 62 | View Replies]

To: sasportas

That would be like saying that all those other tetrads (according to the list I supplied in my last post) are related to the second coming. As you can clearly see (from the past) they are not.

These are astronomical events, of which we’ve picked up a pattern from the past. From the past pattern, we would say that something very significant and historical will happen to the Jews and the homeland of the Jews, Israel.

The second coming is going to consist of a lot of miraculous events, outside of the standard astronomical laws (under which tetrads operate) and thus the second coming needs no astronomical or human intervention to happen.


65 posted on 12/30/2013 7:57:44 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 63 | View Replies]

To: sasportas

I have no idea, as I’ve never been to his church in the Sea-Tac area. I’ve never listened to any sermons, so I couldn’t venture a guess that way either. If you would like to know, I’m sure you could write to him and find out.

His church’s website is ...
El Shaddai Ministries
http://www.elshaddaiministries.us


66 posted on 12/30/2013 8:05:49 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 64 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler

bttt


67 posted on 12/30/2013 8:16:15 AM PST by ConservativeMan55 (In America, we don't do pin pricks. But sometimes we elect them.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 66 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler

I agree that something very significant is shaping up in the middle east, which could very possibly take place in 2014 or 2015, but to tie blood red moons with it, which, per Joel and Acts 2, may not have anything to do with eclipses, I have a problem with that.

I see Joel and Acts 2 referring to the day of the Lord closing out the tribulation while ushering in the millennial, something much more apocalyptic than a mere eclipse, or even four of them in a row.


68 posted on 12/30/2013 8:27:05 AM PST by sasportas
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 65 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler

69 posted on 12/30/2013 8:29:59 AM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: sasportas

Well ... I’m not tying it into that (the second coming). Maybe others are, but I’m not. And, as you can see that I’ve posted elsewhere, I did say that if I were betting on what it might portend, I would say a major war in the Middle East, with Israel involved and one in which the Palestinians will come out on the worst end of the stick, on this one.


70 posted on 12/30/2013 8:33:15 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 68 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler

“Portend” - good descriptor for what we are talking about, no doubt these blood red moons do portend something very significant. But does blood red moons occurring on Jewish feast days portend something good for Israel?

As Israel’s calendar is lunar based, the moon gets charged with an awful lot of meaning. I think you and I would agree on that. If the mood is symbolic of Israel, and it turns redish on these important feasts, it would seem not to portend something good, rather something bad to happen to Israel. Something doesn’t compute in all this blood red moon business. Just musing.


71 posted on 12/30/2013 8:51:57 AM PST by sasportas
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 70 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler
1492 was definitely NOT the final year of the Spanish Inquisition, which lasted until at least 1700. The last Jew tried by the Inquisition was in 1818.

What is important for 1492 is that not only did Columbus sail, but Ferdinand and Isabel expelled all the Jew and Moors OUT of Spain. Those that remained were tried by the Inquisition, which started a couple of decades before.

Oh and one final thing:


72 posted on 12/30/2013 8:58:10 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kalee

Place marker


73 posted on 12/30/2013 10:22:07 AM PST by kalee
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 72 | View Replies]

To: sasportas

I’m not sure of you’re just talking about one so-called Blood Moon, or the “tetrad”. If you’re just talking about one blood moon, then that may be a different matter than the tetrad.


74 posted on 12/30/2013 11:27:05 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 71 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler

I followed your link to Mark Blitz’s website. I could find no statement as to whether he is pretrib or not. Lots of sermons on his site where one might hear him define his belief on it, but it would be too tedious to listen to them.


75 posted on 12/30/2013 1:15:26 PM PST by sasportas
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 66 | View Replies]

To: sasportas

There is nothing in Revelation to interpret.

John was commissioned to write what was, what ‘is’ , and what is to come, and leave nothing out.

The seals are what is in the gap between John and us .

No prophecy can remain forever ‘future.’


76 posted on 12/30/2013 1:33:49 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 61 | View Replies]

To: sasportas

Mark is definitely “post trib.”


77 posted on 12/30/2013 1:35:03 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 75 | View Replies]

To: sasportas; Star Traveler

John Hagee has just published a book using the “blood moons” as a scare tactic to get richer.

Hagee is liable to say almost anything, as he is a total fruitcake.


78 posted on 12/30/2013 1:41:44 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 63 | View Replies]

To: Former Fetus

Which Arab countries don’t border Israel?

Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Saudi, and Egypt do.


79 posted on 12/30/2013 1:45:31 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 55 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler
Here is where I am coming from. Mark Blitz and John Hagee use Joel and Acts 2 to establish their theory.

With such tremendously apocalyptic events described in Revelation as:

astronomic judgments falling upon one third of the earth in trumpets one through four,

great earthquakes the like of which none on earth have ever seen (which would trigger major volcanic activity),

I rather doubt the sun darkened and moon turned to blood in Joel and Acts 2 is referring to mere eclipses.

Viewing the sun and moon on earth at the end of the great tribulation, through great volcanic clouds, the sun and moon would indeed look as so described in Joel and Acts 2.

But if we divorce these tetrad blood moons eclipse events from the Joel and Acts 2 "sun darkened moon turned to blood" day of the Lord prophecy, which is NOT a mere eclipse event, then, yes, I think they could very well be portents of something to happen in the near future.

The problem is, Blitz and Hagee do NOT divorce these passages of scripture, which can hardly be mere eclipses, from their tetrad blood moons theory. See my point? Like I said, something doesn't compute here.

80 posted on 12/30/2013 1:57:00 PM PST by sasportas
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 74 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler; sasportas

>> “this post has nothing to do with the Pre-tribulational Rapture, that the Bible teaches.” <<

.
that’s good, because the Bible firmly dictates a Rapture/Resurrection exactly at the end of Satan’s tribulation, “at the Last Trump,” as Paul declares, or “with a mighty trump” as Yeshua declares it.

The feasts which exactly match the numbers of days stated in Revelation in their spacing also require it.

There is no place in the scriptures that suggests any rapture prior to the Abomination’s appearance at Purim.


81 posted on 12/30/2013 2:00:18 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 62 | View Replies]

To: editor-surveyor
There is nothing in Revelation to interpret.

Not only Historicists such as yourself, but Preterists would say the same thing. As a futurist, I disagree with both preterists and historicists. I see chapters four through the end of the book prophetic of the end time, NOT ongoing history taking place throughout the last two thousand years.

I also disagree with your interpretation of Rev. 1:19. But we would be getting far afield from what this thread is all about for us to get into a big brouhaha over it. Start a separate thread on it, and we'll discuss it.

82 posted on 12/30/2013 2:14:54 PM PST by sasportas
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 76 | View Replies]

To: sasportas

That’s where I’m coming from (as you say you do too) in that I’m not connecting this tetrad (of lunar eclipses) to the second coming.

I haven’t really gotten into what either Blitz or Hagee say ... so I couldn’t really say much about their position. And, to tell you the truth, if I were to guess what their position is — in regards to the second coming — I can’t imagine that they would say that these are directly connected to it and tie in with some prophecies directly. They would actually be quite dumb to say that - and I don’t think they are that dumb.

I’m not sure, but what someone might possibly say, who “sounds” like they are trying to connect up this tetrad with the second coming — is that they are not really doing so, if you read their words precisely. I suspect it’s something more along the lines of ... “more ‘signs’ are appearing that relate to Israel and the end times, and things may be building up to that conclusion, of the second coming.”

In other words, what they are most likely doing is saying that the “stage is being set” for the second coming to happen ... and not that these tetrads are directly tied into the second coming and not that they form the basis for the timing of it.

But, that’s just my guess for their position, in that I don’t think they would be that stupid to say it’s directly tied into the second coming.


83 posted on 12/30/2013 3:15:55 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 80 | View Replies]

To: editor-surveyor; sasportas

I would rather reserve my judgement as to whether Hagee is doing this as a (1) scare tactic and (2) using it for self enrichment, until I read the book and see what he says.

He’s a strong supporter of Israel, and I do believe he’s sincere in this. The organization of “Christians United for Israel” which he heads, forms a potent political block for our government to contend with, if it decides to weaken the support for Israel or to try and abandon it.

As it quotes on their page ...

CUFI is the largest pro-Israel organization in the US, with more than a million members.”
-The Jerusalem Post.

Christians United for Israel
http://www.cufi.org/


84 posted on 12/30/2013 3:25:39 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 78 | View Replies]

To: sasportas

You do not see the book of Revelation that Yeshua commissioned the Apostle John to write.

I’m no historicist; I simply read what is written in God’s word, and believe it.


85 posted on 12/30/2013 3:28:07 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 82 | View Replies]

To: sasportas

Maybe a quick note to his contact address might clear it up. Heck, if I were REALLY INTERESTED in finding out, I would dial up the church number and ask someone directly about it. That’s how I would go about it ... but I’m not that interested ... :-) ...


86 posted on 12/30/2013 3:36:04 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 75 | View Replies]

To: sasportas

I do believe we can classify the different positions in regards to Revelation, and also in regards to the “groundwork position” for the interpretation of prophecy in the Bible.

The fact of the matter is that in ALL POSITIONS, one is going to say that they are taking that position because that’s what the verses of the Bible tell them ... :-) ...

And ... face it ... we’re all looking at the VERY SAME VERSES. It’s only the “framework” for the interpretation of what those verses mean, that changes things. That meaning will differ according to what the framework of interpretation is.

SO ... while one may not like the “classification” (of the interpretation) ... it’s actually there and it’s valid (to “classify”) — even if one doesn’t realize that they are in that classification.

Usually, if someone doesn’t like the “classification” of their position, then that usually means that either they do not have a standard position (and it’s actually a mish-mash of stuff bearing no rationality) - or - they are trying to avoid people really knowing their position until they can be “sucked into it” a little bit further.

And ... believe me ... with about two thousand years of Christian history and writings on it - we do have the standard and identifiable positions,

What I do, right up front, is I don’t mess around and I just state the position in shorthand form, as I have done on my Freeper page.


87 posted on 12/30/2013 3:53:43 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 82 | View Replies]

To: editor-surveyor

I did intend to ping you to Post #87, but I forgot to ...


88 posted on 12/30/2013 3:57:36 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 87 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler

I am a strong supporter of Israel, but even when I bought into the pre-trib nonsense, I didn’t buy a word that Hagee ever said.

He is a self-agrandising opportunist.


89 posted on 12/30/2013 3:59:04 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 84 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler; sasportas

Marl Biltz is a “Messianic,” and it is impossible to recognize the prophecies embedded in the feasts and hold a belief in any resurrection not occurring at the Last Trump of Yom Teruah.

It’s like “white on rice.”


90 posted on 12/30/2013 4:06:10 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 83 | View Replies]

To: editor-surveyor

I have seen Hagee questioned on some doctrinal issues - that some others thought he was teaching. I read some of it, but didn’t get into it thoroughly. I think it had to do with there being two different ways to salvation. He denied he believed that or was teaching it. Sometimes (I think) the position that God has a program for the church and another program for Israel - is seen by some as stepping into there being two ways to salvation. It’s not, but I think that’s how some others may see it.

I signed up for CUFI’s e-mails, so they come in all the time, and aside from the notices about what churches they will be at, at different times and letting people know about their materials to support Israel — a good half of their e-mails are about what is going on in the world in regards to Israel, like Iran for instance, or the Congress, or Kerry or Obama, or what Netanyahu is saying or what someone else is saying in Israel or the US, or what the Islamic Terrorists are doing.

That organization — CUFI — is a great organization for generating strong POLITICAL SUPPORT for Israel, which Israel really needs.


91 posted on 12/30/2013 4:14:23 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 89 | View Replies]

To: editor-surveyor; sasportas

I’m personally not into Messianic congregations, as I’m not a Jew (even though they welcome Gentiles). I think it’s good to have Messianic congregations, which accommodate Jewishness, while accepting Jesus as the Messiah of Israel, and as their personal savior.

I just looked up some information about Messianics and their congregations ... and this was one I saw ...

— Messianics observe traditional Jewish holidays such as Purim, Chanukah, etc. Christians do not.

— Messianics observe the biblical feasts of Vayikra (Leviticus) 23 such as Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement), Rosh HaShanah (Feast of Trumpets), Sukkot (Feast of Booths) and Passover. Christians do not.

— Messianics do not observe Christian holidays that were borrowed from paganism, such as Christmas and Lent or were simply concocted.

Messianics do not use Easter bunnies, Easter eggs, Christmas trees, etc., (which are part of Christian tradition in many parts of the world although they are not part of official Christian theology).

— Messianics worship on the biblical Sabbath, i.e., Friday evening till Saturday evening, not Sunday. HaShem says the Sabbath is an eternal covenant between Him and the descendants of Israel. (Sh’mot/Exodus 31:16).

— Messianics cant the Shema, and traditional Jewish blessings that most Christians have never heard of, e.g., the kiddush and the Aaronic benediction.

— Messianics cant the Torah portion in Hebrew at worship services.

— Messianic preaching is mainly from the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh), although references to the B’rit Chadasha are common.

— Messianic Judaism emphasizes the special relationship between G-d and the Jewish people, whereas Protestantism and Catholicism hardly ever mention it.

— Messianic Judaism emphasizes Jewish traditions that do not conflict with the Bible, whereas Protestantism and Catholicism totally ignore those traditions.

— Messianic Judaism asserts that the Torah (literally, “teaching”) is still in effect (as modified by Yeshua). Christianity claims that once Jesus “fulfilled the Law” it no longer applies.

— Messianic Jews bar-mitzvah their sons and bat-mitzvah their daughters. Christians don’t.

— A Jewish person who converts to Protestantism is referred to as a Hebrew Christian, not a Messianic Jew.

— Messianic Judaism and Protestantism teach the biblical doctrine that salvation is a free gift from G-d, by faith in Yeshua.

Roman Catholicism teaches that Catholics can earn (”merit”) all the grace necessary for salvation, and that Moslems will also be saved, even though Islam denies the deity, death and resurrection of Yeshua.

— Messianics do not need to be proselytized into Christianity. We already know who Messiah is and what he did to provide salvation for his people.

— Messianics use the same scriptures as Protestants, including the common translations, e.g., NIV and New King James Version. Of course, it is much more common to find a Messianic who has studied biblical Hebrew than a Christian.

— Messianics only baptize believers, not babies, and only baptize by immersion, since the practice described in the B’rit Chadasha is actually derived from a mikvah, a Jewish ritual purification bath.

http://www.messianicworship.com/html/differences.html

-— -— -— -— -—

I don’t go along with some of what I see said here, but in general, it shows the differences - and since I’m not Jewish, they don’t fit me. But, it’s quite alright for those who are Jews. They do recognize Jesus as the Messiah of Israel and their personal savior.


92 posted on 12/30/2013 4:56:02 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 90 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler

There is one program for salvation: Belief in Yeshua, through enduring faith, granted us by the grace of Yehova.

One program fits all.


93 posted on 12/30/2013 4:57:35 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 91 | View Replies]

To: editor-surveyor

And I affirm that. The reason why I brought up the issue is that I’ve seen the accusation against Hagee. And besides him denying the accusation, I don’t believe that he teaches that are two ways to salvation.

The Apostle Paul said that we’re saved in the same way that Abraham was.

Romans 4

1 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh?

2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.

3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”

4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,

6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered;

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”

9 Does this blessedness then come upon the circumcised only, or upon the uncircumcised also? For we say that faith was accounted to Abraham for righteousness.

10 How then was it accounted? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised.

11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also,

12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of the faith which our father Abraham had while still uncircumcised.

13 For the promise that he would be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

14 For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise made of no effect,

15 because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.

16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all

17 (as it is written, “I have made you a father of many nations”) in the presence of Him whom he believed—God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did;

18 who, contrary to hope, in hope believed, so that he became the father of many nations, according to what was spoken, “So shall your descendants be.”

19 And not being weak in faith, he did not consider his own body, already dead (since he was about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb.

20 He did not waver at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God,

21 and being fully convinced that what He had promised He was also able to perform.

22 And therefore “it was accounted to him for righteousness.”

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him,

24 but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead,

25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification.


94 posted on 12/30/2013 5:11:33 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 93 | View Replies]

To: editor-surveyor
My fault, I should have said Muslim countries!

Psalm 83 War

Ezekiel 38 War

95 posted on 12/30/2013 5:18:36 PM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 79 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler

Messianic keepers of the law are way off base, the way I see the book of Hebrews... it was written to Hebrew Roots, Messianic types, etc. The basic theme of Hebrews is that the one to whom everything in the law pointed to had come, the new covenant (Christ) had come, rendering the old covenant no longer valid, or “dead,” dead works of the law.

The basic doctrine of Christ, is repentance from dead works, repent of it, abandon the dead works of the law, Heb. 6:1. If they claim to be some sort of Hebrew Messianic, then that’s what they must do. The book of Hebrews was written to them. Second is to have faith towards God. Faith not the works of the law.

They, of course, either don’t care what Hebrews says, or they reinterpret it to fit their desire to Judaize. Most of them claiming we are disobedient sinners because we do not keep the sabbath, observe the feasts, and so on.


96 posted on 12/30/2013 5:58:12 PM PST by sasportas
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 92 | View Replies]

To: Star Traveler

What does a blood moon have to do with Psalms 83?


97 posted on 12/30/2013 6:16:16 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: sasportas

I’ve seen a range of Messianics, and you can have those who seem to revert. Remember, though, that Paul did follow the religious practices of the Jews, even though there were those in his day that accused him of not following them.

That didn’t change the doctrine of Salvation, though. And the ministry to the Gentiles was given different parameters than the Jews had. We see that in Acts, when the Apostle Paul was before the Jerusalem Church

I do note that we will be keeping some of those practices, ourselves, in the 1,000 year reign of Christ, and that there will be a Temple in Jerusalem, like there was before (Ezekiel’s Temple).


98 posted on 12/30/2013 6:16:17 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 96 | View Replies]

To: editor-surveyor

Since you assert 5 seals have been opened, it will be simple to identify them. Since you don’t, it’s obvious it is simply another obfuscation.


99 posted on 12/30/2013 6:19:22 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: Cvengr

The tetrad of Blood Moons doesn’t have anything to do with Psalm 83.

As I was saying, if I were betting on what some significant and big event would be (similar to the previous tetrads) of this particular tetrad, it would be a major war in the Middle East, involving Israel and greatly impacting the Palestinians.

Now ... having said that ... when talking about the Psalm 83 war — totally apart from this tetrad and the previous tetrads in history — that is expected to be a major war with Israel, and that is expected to be the next major war in the Middle East involving Israel.

SO ... if we take the tetrads and Psalm 83 to be two “overlays” on an overhead projector - the tetrads are on one overlay, the Psalm 83 War is on another overlay sheet.

Now, you take these two overlays (which do not connect directly with each other) and place them one on top of the other, on some sort of timeline — you could shift them back and forth on the timeline. They may match up, and then again, they may not. We won’t know until it happens.

Therefore the one is not tied into the other — either from the “Tetrad side” - or - from the “Psalm 83 side” — but, one may find that the two overlays are one on top of the other, in the exact same timeline.


100 posted on 12/30/2013 6:36:35 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 97 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-5051-100101-138 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson