Posted on 01/27/2014 1:46:12 PM PST by Gamecock
Which protestant? Luther?
From the Council of Trent:
But no one, how much soever justified, ought to think himself exempt from the observance of the commandments; no one ought to make use of that rash saying, one prohibited by the Fathers under an anathema,-that the observance of the commandments of God is impossible for one that is justified. ...Wherefore, no one ought to flatter himself up with faith alone, fancying that by faith alone he is made an heir, and will obtain the inheritance,
I agree.
Okay then, what about two little sins? Three? Seventy-seven? How many does it take?
....then you were destined to HELL when you became 7!!! OMG...I give up on you people.
When we were 7? Actually, we were sinners and "destined to HELL" from conception, according to King David. Psalm 51:5 tells us:
"Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me."
You can read the parable, it is in red letters.
Luke 16:
22 The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side.[a] The rich man also died and was buried, 23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side. 24 And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.’
The rich man was indeed suffering but Lazarus was not in heaven.
“A BAD THOUGHT is the same as LYNCHING AN INNOCENT PERSON??”
Actually it can be ... according to Jesus.
If you are a Christian you should tell them that all people are sinners - every one - and there is no hope except through Jesus Christ. Cheers.
Yes. It will.
BTW, you have heard of original sin, right?
We are condemned at birth. And that is so Scriptural that the church fathers agreed, even if the modern Roman Catholic Church has turned from that.
Mathew 5:21
Don't feel sorry for us...That means we are in daily contact and conversation with God worshiping and praying to God, getting forgiveness for all of our sins...We don't wait to do it once a month or once a year...
I guess you do not believe in the PRISON SYSYTEM where you go to do your TIME for a WRONG that has been done!!!
Nooooo...We are not under bondage...Jesus already did the time for us (on the Cross)...That's why Jesus died...Because none of us would or could ever get out of prison if left to our own devices...
Of course it's alright if you guys want to be involved in the prison system and laws...Just remember you will be judged by those laws...
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
There are something like 612 laws that this verse is referring to...Since you chose to put yourself under these prison laws, you are obligated to fulfill every single one of them as this verse tells you...You are under a curse...
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
All of them...That's some pretty clear stuff right there...If you put yourself under ANY of the laws, you will have no justification at all...
Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
We have been redeemed from the curse of the law...No speeding tickets...No jail time...
We Christians on the other hand are under grace, not the law...
Of course the choice is yours...I've made my choice...
Gal_5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
This says you guys under the law have no grace or justification in spite of what your religion tells you...
Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
You guys don't seem to understand why it is that Jesus died...
Rom_4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
Who is that man???
I think the ‘poorly catechized committee’ quick reaction force has swept the correspondent away.
I can only conclude that someone has "gotten the vapors".
Convinced her to stop digging, eh???
"he who overcometh"....and who is that man?
Your scripture must not include the first letter of John.
Revised Standard Version (RSV)
16 If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal.
That's one explanation, pretty charitable.
No, because before the crucifixion NO HUMAN BEING was in heaven. When a person died he went to Sheol, the place of the dead and, depending on the person, he would go either to Abraham's bosom (Paradise) or to the flames. Jesus explained that in Luke 16:19-31. When Jesus died, He went to Sheol and took with Him those righteous people straight to heaven, as described in Ephesians 4:8. The unsaved remain in the place of torment, waiting for the White Throne Judgment and the Lake of Fire.
I think most folks are just tired of all the same old, same old. Its all been said, time for the Lord to sort of out.
No argument. Jesus must have went through purgatory on His way. Although the claim has been made that Lazarus of the parable was sinless, according to scripture he couldn’t have been. As a Catholic, one should wonder why he wasn’t in purgatory. Surely the Lord wouldn’t have skipped over something so important.
That man is THIS man...
1Jn_5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
1Jn_5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
1Jn_2:13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.
1Jn_2:14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.
1Jn_4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
"he who overcometh"....and who is that man?
1Jn_5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
THAT man is me, and all other born again Christians to whom Jesus will not impute sin...
Oh, I doubt that, otherwise the Religion Forum wouldn't be so active. When you lose control and your posts look like a set of NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE advisories, it is probably time for a break. But if you issue challenges, stay and resolve them.
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