Why I Am Still an Evangelical Protestant [And Not Roman Catholic]

Chris Castaldo ^ | March 15th, 2013 | Chris Castaldo

[BlueDragon]

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[BlueDragon]

...have you any comment about my ACCURACY?

I'd say you nailed it. puhpuhpuh-pow like a rattle gun on steel plate. The surface stays a bit rusty though. Splashing it with Ospho can help a bit...but the only thing that really works, regardless of how it's accomplished, is to get down to bare shiny metal.

Also, I could not help but notice the vagueness of how you (Elsie) were compared to Obama.

In this instance, can be invoked; Godwin's rule

Holy Grail did you say? Why we've already got one of those

[boatbums]

No, we are not told to do that, but we are plainly shown to do that by Jesus Christ Himself (in His clear example in those texts I provided), who actually, truthfully did that Himself when, (as you said), "God's truth [was] perverted and [Jesus had] an opportunity to correct error" but remained totally silent.

The time that you stated when Jesus remained silent before his accusers was talked about here (if you notice he wasn't ENTIRELY silent):

The chief priests and the whole Sanhedrin were looking for false evidence against Jesus so that they could put him to death. But they did not find any, though many false witnesses came forward. Finally two came forward and declared, “This fellow said, ‘I am able to destroy the temple of God and rebuild it in three days.’” Then the high priest stood up and said to Jesus, “Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?” But Jesus remained silent. The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God.” “You have said so,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.” Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, “He has spoken blasphemy! Why do we need any more witnesses? Look, now you have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?” “He is worthy of death,” they answered. (Matt. 26:59-66)

Was what these people accused him of a lie? No, he said what they said he did. When Jesus remained TOTALLY silent was in the face of the accusations they made against him and which WERE the very things he said. They were NOT lies. Then we proceed to Matthew 27, where Jesus once again stands before accusers AND he answers them:

Meanwhile Jesus stood before the governor, and the governor asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?” “You have said so,” Jesus replied. When he was accused by the chief priests and the elders, he gave no answer. Then Pilate asked him, “Don’t you hear the testimony they are bringing against you?” But Jesus made no reply, not even to a single charge—to the great amazement of the governor. (Matt. 27:11-14)

So, Jesus did not reply because what they accused him of was TRUE. They just refused to believe it. Why, then, would Jesus need to reply any further? Would it have helped him if he said, "Yeah, that's what I said and I stand by my statement."? Kinda doubt it. So, the example Jesus gave by his own words and actions throughout his ministry was what we are all told to do - earnestly contend for the faith. Once you see how that is different than the episode you gave for Jesus being silent, you will begin to understand WHY we also earnestly contend for the faith and why we rebuke error and expound upon what the word of God says over what religions teach.

Your whole post proves my point. Sometimes Jesus chose to answer someone else's erroneous babbling, and sometimes Jesus chose to just ignore and not answer someone else's erroneous babbling, and we should imitate Christ by sometimes answering erroneous babblings, and sometimes not answering erroneous babblings.

That's not even close. Read those passages again, why don't you?

[boatbums]

Can you even IMAGINE the Apostle Peter kissing any pagan writings? I sure can’t.

[BlueDragon]

Hey, 'metmom', did you ever read what Jesus said about people who reject the Truth (especially after hearing it over and over and over again)?

Truth? what truth would that be? we've seen the same claims made a thousand times (without exaggerating concerning number of occasion), yet for most all of those most contentious, have seen those same much disproved (if only to the extent or reach the same such is being sought to apply) hundreds of times if not more, also.

Shall we (a royal we) be dissuaded for reason that this time, it is coming from an instructor (self appointed?) striving to have the last word, using the Word of God against metmom (of all persons!) as some form of bludgeon?

You want truth? The truth can carry some degree of complexity along with it, ha(!) particularly when "man" has hand his hands upon it, twisting and turning it to suite his own agendas.

You've not the personal authority to go about invoking Christ while claiming to yourself hold "truth" with a capital "T".

He -- is not us, and we are not Him, even as He may in fact live within us, and ourselves (also by the greatest of graces) within Him. Seems contradictory, I know. Truth can seem like that, most particularly when His realms are over-lapped into what is more typically our "earthly" own -- which latter realm suffers much competition of yet lower gradients of claims -- including Lucifer's relentlessness towards it.

But don't let that stop you. Shake dust, and keep on trucking. Yet remember, Paul's advice was to the true church (wherever that may be found) not what has "evolved" to be much contaminated, by the hand of the man.

God is Holy, not Holy --- mixed with other "stuff".

The meek, will inherit the earth.

After countless appeals we keep spinning our wheels
On this mountain of new fallen snow
So I let go the catch and we are over the edge
You have left me nowhere to go
I'm riding shotgun down the avalanche (Shawn Colvin w/Alison Krauss) @ lastfm [less ads than youtube, which is a +]

[metmom]

“Luther turned out to be evil. He had a choice. I feel sorrow for those called by his name ...”

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/credo.htm
Top 10 Most Wicked Popes
http://listverse.com/2007/08/17/top-10-most-wicked-popes/
1. Liberius, reigned 352-66 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
2. Honorius I, reigned 625-638 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
3. Stephen VI, reigned 896-89 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
4. John XII, reigned 955-964 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
5. Benedict IX, reigned 1032-1048 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
6. Boniface VIII, reigned 1294-1303 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
7. Urban VI, reigned 1378-1389 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
8. Alexander VI, reigned 1492-1503 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
9. Leo X, reigned 1513-1521 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
10. Clement VII, reigned 1523-1524 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
Top 10 Worst Popes in History
http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-worst-popes-in-history.php
1. Pope Alexander VI (1431 – 1503)
2. Pope John XII (c. 937 – 964)
3. Pope Benedict IX (c. 1012 – 1065/85)
4. Pope Sergius III (? – 911)
5. Pope Stephen VI (? – 897)
6. Pope Julius III (1487 – 1555)
7. Pope Urban II (ca. 1035 – 1099)
8. Pope Clement VI (1291 – 1352)
9. Pope Leo X (1475 – 1521)
10. Pope Boniface VIII (c. 1235 – 1303)

[daniel1212]

about which posts to read, and which to just bypass completely.

Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears. (Acts 7:57)

[af_vet_1981]

No one knows; and if someone claims to know - then I'd say they are lying.

Someone knows, but I'll accept your point that Purgatory may exist since you've confessed that you do not know and we don't want you calling yourself a liar.

[Elsie]

Since you specifically asked me for my comment about your "accuracy", I will tell you that your accuracy is woefully deficient (actually, completely missing) there in your post #323.

There; you've SAID it again.

But Clara wants to know...

You are doing the LURKERS a disservice by not supplying the CORRECT data, that I have, somehow, failed to present.

Can they count on you; or will my data be all they get to see?

[Elsie]

(Not only is my resolution fully operative right now, it is going to be expanded right after this post.)

We'll see...

[Elsie]

Luther turned out to be evil.

Aren't we all?

[Elsie]

Also, I could not help but notice the vagueness of how you (Elsie) were compared to Obama.

You'd think folks with large; uh; chutzpahs, would be a bit more brave in their verbage.

[Elsie]

It mattereth not...

[Elsie]

Someone knows, but I'll accept your point that Purgatory may exist since you've confessed that you do not know and we don't want you calling yourself a liar.

I'll accept that you make a lot of strawmen; but not very tall ones.

[HarleyD]

America, it is said, is suffering from intolerance — it is not. It is suffering from tolerance. Tolerance of right and wrong, truth and error, virtue and evil, Christ and chaos.

What a wonderful quote.

[HarleyD]

Frankly I think not only the referenced comments, but your own comments are disgraceful.

Apparently your and my views of what is disgraceful are completely different. Catholics love to bash Luther with is Jewish views. But the Church not only held the same views but put it in their "infallible" documents. It seems to me that someone simply choose to ignore that issue.

So, if the 4th Lateran Council is correct, then are their written comments about the Jews correct? That is, after all, what infallibility is all about.

And please don't get self-righteous with me. There is very little that is disgraceful as a "Christian" kissing the Koran.

[af_vet_1981]

Aren't we all ?

No, we are not all evil. Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as you have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

[Elsie]

This verse is somehow supposed to nullify the FACT that YOUR heart is desperately wicked?

Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as you have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Even Pol Pot liked kittens!

[af_vet_1981]

A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good. An evil man Out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

[Elsie]

Romans 3:12
They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

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Now what?