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Area Same-Sex [Lesbian] Couple Denied Communion [Missouri]
St. Joseph News-Press ^ | 1/31/14 | Erin Wisdom

Posted on 01/31/2014 6:48:32 PM PST by marshmallow

An area woman was denied Communion at her mother’s funeral last month after a priest new to her parish learned she was in a same-sex relationship.

Carol Parker and her partner of nearly 20 years, Josie Martin, live in the small town of Chula, Mo., and had been attending St. Columban Catholic Church in Chillicothe, Mo., for 12 years when Ms. Parker’s mother passed away on Dec. 26. The obituary listed Ms. Parker as a surviving daughter and also mentioned her partner.

Later that week, Ms. Parker received a call from Father Benjamin Kneib, informing her that she and Ms. Martin would not be allowed to receive Communion at the Dec. 30 funeral.

“It was a shock to hear him say that,” Ms. Parker said. “I never expected that, especially at my mother’s funeral.”

She added that at the funeral, most in attendance chose not to take Communion out of respect for her and Ms. Martin. Despite this show of solidarity, the women no longer feel welcome at the church and have begun visiting another an hour from their home.

“That was our faith community. It really took away a lot of things for us,” Ms. Parker said. “He (Father Kneib) would still like to see us there, but I don’t feel like I’m welcome if I can’t take part in the main focus of the Mass.”

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TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Theology
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; lesbonaziagenda
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1 posted on 01/31/2014 6:48:32 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

And? I mean, this IS a Catholic Church and the Roman Catholic Church still considers her bahviour to be a sin. The real issue is the effort to pressure the Catholic Churches in the US to become cheerleaders for Homosexuality.


2 posted on 01/31/2014 6:50:57 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: marshmallow

The priest was right. The homosexuals were wrong and wrong to be offended if they claim to be Christians.


3 posted on 01/31/2014 6:51:28 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: marshmallow

She can’t claim to be surprised at the Church’s position on homosexuality.

She’s probably surprised that someone decided to enforce that.

Good for the priest.


4 posted on 01/31/2014 6:52:06 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: marshmallow

Bye


5 posted on 01/31/2014 6:54:14 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: metmom
Good for the priest.

Bump!
6 posted on 01/31/2014 6:56:02 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: marshmallow

I am not Catholic, but I hope more and more priests take a strong religious stand against the queers.

Bravo Father Kneib!


7 posted on 01/31/2014 6:56:10 PM PST by upchuck (Stop this abuse now! Get behind Convention of States: http://bit.ly/1ak1Iz9)
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To: marshmallow

When the hell is Piglosi going to be DENIED!


8 posted on 01/31/2014 7:00:25 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: marshmallow

How many times do we have to hear some variation of homosexuals being shocked and outraged, when encountering someone not on board with their lifestyle?

And the tone of the news reports are that we should be liberal, and be sympathetic to “homophobic” forces in the world which are not celebrating that lifestyle.


9 posted on 01/31/2014 7:01:26 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: metmom

Yes, good for this man for showing some spine.


11 posted on 01/31/2014 7:05:30 PM PST by thecodont
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To: marshmallow

She needs to go through bible classes again and learn that she is NOT WORTHY. Until she becomes so, she can not take it.


12 posted on 01/31/2014 7:14:00 PM PST by crz
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To: marshmallow

The Priest is doing the lady a favor - to take communion without due consideration to sin and the state of your soul is not smart!

For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.

Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty concerning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself. That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died.

1 Corinthians 11:23–30


13 posted on 01/31/2014 7:14:34 PM PST by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: marshmallow

“So unless you change the rules for *us*, we’ll take our ball and go home.”

Chutzpa doesn’t begin to describe it.


14 posted on 01/31/2014 7:17:16 PM PST by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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To: melsec
That's right. I always point out to my RCIA students that the Holy Eucharist is the only Sacrament which comes to us not only with a blessing but with an explicit curse. Really, you dare not receive in mortal sin unless you want to get another mortal sin, the far worse one of sacrilege against the Blessed Sacrament.

I know I received unworthily in decades past, when I was in my late teens and early 20's. I have repented and may God forgive me. One of these days I've got to make a General (Lifetime) Confession.

15 posted on 01/31/2014 7:20:59 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Sanity is the adequate response of the mind to the real thing: adaequatio mentis ad rem.)
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To: marshmallow

While there are doubtless instances of repentant homosexuals who struggle with weakness and need Jesus to help them out of their weakness, the fact that this woman went on to make a political statement out of the situation is an indication of impenitence. She should not, in such condition, receive the Lord’s body and blood. Note how the priest still wants to talk to her. Jesus never gives up. “How often I would have gathered you . . . but you would not.”


16 posted on 01/31/2014 7:26:24 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: marshmallow

Good for the priest. Same-sex couples should NOT be welcome, they mock God.


17 posted on 01/31/2014 7:28:58 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I am a lapsed Catholic, but I respect the Church’s right to insist that Catholics respect church teaching. Every Christmas, I attend church with my elderly Catholic mother, because it makes her happy for her children to be there. I do not receive communion, but my lapsed Catholic sister (a liberal), and her non-Catholic husband (also a liberal), both receive communion every year. I regard that as liberal entitlement.


18 posted on 01/31/2014 7:35:04 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Your comments are a correct expression of Catholic teaching. I wish more priests had such a clear understanding.


19 posted on 01/31/2014 7:39:03 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: marshmallow

Did anyone notice how they used the pope’s words to justify their position? The pope is trying to be more “tolerant”, but is encouraging the lefties to continue to persecute the church. If they believe the pope can be cornered, he will be cornered. He must make it plain as day that open sin cannot be condoned in the church. Otherwise, sin will overtake Catholics as it has Lutherans, Episcopalians, Anglicans, Methodists, et al.


20 posted on 01/31/2014 7:39:32 PM PST by chuckles
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To: vladimir998

I’m not allowed to take Catholic Communion.

Oooooh....I’m oppressed #whineyvoice


21 posted on 01/31/2014 7:41:31 PM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: marshmallow

I’m just glad that Fr. Kneib’s bishop is not Donna Wuerl.


22 posted on 01/31/2014 7:43:36 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: AppyPappy

As a Protestant, so am I. And I have no complaints about it.

Their church. Their rules.


23 posted on 01/31/2014 7:43:58 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"I know I received unworthily in decades past, when I was in my late teens and early 20's. I have repented and may God forgive me. One of these days I've got to make a General (Lifetime) Confession."

Your comments suggest that you have already repented, and are therefore already forgiven, despite your qualms. For the very scrupulous, confession can almost be a curse, because the scrupulous can always remember something they forgot to confess, or didn't confess in the way they deem necessary. Just have confidence in the mercy of God, who wishes to condemn no one.
24 posted on 01/31/2014 7:45:18 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: marshmallow

the priest is correct.

the phone call could have been a better opportunity to address the woman’s sin and maybe start her thinking about it in a less defensive way. she may be too far gone, but a new guy who doesn’t know her doing this isn’t most likely going to bring about acknowlegment of sin and repentance. a face to face meeting may have been better.

hopefully the new place may be able to address it.


25 posted on 01/31/2014 7:47:50 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: marshmallow
She added that at the funeral, most in attendance chose not to take Communion out of respect for her and Ms. Martin. Despite this show of solidarity,

then they should also be denied communion in the future since they've openly advocated for a sin that is directly against the Church's teachings.

I for one applaud the priest in this case. I really do.

26 posted on 01/31/2014 7:49:46 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: usconservative

People argue that homosexuality is not a sin because it is “inborn.” Well, I have an “inborn,” “natural” tendency to want to screw every good-looking woman I see. Should the church honor THAT “natural” tendency? (I am not arguing with you, but with gay marriage proponents.)


27 posted on 01/31/2014 7:55:05 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: marshmallow

I am sick of homos who expect everyone to bend over backwards and abandon their faith and beliefs to make THEM happy.


28 posted on 01/31/2014 7:58:45 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I always point out to my RCIA students that the Holy Eucharist is the only Sacrament which comes to us not only with a blessing but with an explicit curse.

Good for you... but you are incorrect with the "only." The word sacrament is from the Latin sacramentum which means oath-taking. In any oath there is the understanding of blessing in obedience and curse in disobedience.

How does this apply to the other sacraments? What is sin but a repudiation of our baptism and/or confirmation? What is the result of failing to receive God's Mercy in reconciliation? Can we fail to live up to our holy orders or marriage?

... You get the idea. I'm on an iPhone.

29 posted on 01/31/2014 8:00:25 PM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Steve_Seattle
Mrs. Don-o is correct in that she ought to mention the past unworthy reception(s) in formal confession, as we all would other transgressions that come to mind. It is not necessary to be O-C in one’s appraisal of one’s own confession history, but neither should one deliberately omit sins assuming they have already been forgiven. I was told this by a priest directly. It is quite appropriate to conduct a full lifetime examination of conscience periodically, in case forgotten or repressed sins are uncovered.

None of this asserts that God has not already forgiven the sins, but to miss an opportunity to confess a given sin in the Sacrament of Confession is to forgo the grace associated with forgiving of that sin.

30 posted on 01/31/2014 8:09:50 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: steve86

I do not disagree, but - based on personal experience - scrupulosity is the bane of formal confession.


31 posted on 01/31/2014 8:12:27 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Steve_Seattle

Have they never heard of the doctrine of original sin?

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalms+51%3A5&version=HCSB

“Indeed, I was guilty when I was born;
I was sinful when my mother conceived me.”-Psalms 51:5


32 posted on 01/31/2014 8:13:31 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"I am sick of homos who expect everyone to bend over backwards and abandon their faith and beliefs to make THEM happy."

For homos, bending over backwards is the default position.
33 posted on 01/31/2014 8:14:16 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: marshmallow

How selfish can gays be? Her behavior is a sin to the Catholic Church, and in her eternal arrogance, she expects the church to change for her. She thinks the world revolves around her and her needs.


34 posted on 01/31/2014 8:14:22 PM PST by Essie
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To: ReformationFan

The doctrine of “original sin” is universally mocked by liberals, but it is probably the most inarguable religious doctrine of all. I mean, who can plausibly deny the human attraction to sin?


35 posted on 01/31/2014 8:17:11 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Essie
"Her behavior is a sin to the Catholic Church"

An apt description. Her BEHAVIOR is a sin, not her emotional state, which is probably a "given" to her. But we ALL have sinful emotional tendencies - towards greed, or lust, or anger, or whatever.
36 posted on 01/31/2014 8:25:21 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: marshmallow
She added that at the funeral, most in attendance chose not to take Communion out of respect for her and Ms. Martin.

Thus sparing themselves retribution from the Holy Spirit. Well, for that one non-Communion.

37 posted on 01/31/2014 8:28:36 PM PST by Slyfox (We want our pre-existing HEALTH INSURANCE back!)
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To: marshmallow
“It was a shock to hear him say that,” Ms. Parker said. “I never expected that, especially at my mother’s funeral.”

So you expected him to show respect for your mother by helping you sin at the funeral?

These people make my head hurt.

38 posted on 01/31/2014 8:32:29 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

The best argument for religious conservatives is to state the facts, “We believe that human nature - as exemplified by the design of our bodies - is that true sexuality is defined as male and female. In fact, what other definition of sexuality can there be? There may indeed be male/male and female/female, eroticism, but - by definition - there is no same-sex SEXAULITY.” I may be pipe-dreaming, but I think even millenials can understand that.


39 posted on 01/31/2014 8:45:31 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: marshmallow

Here we ago again. Just like Father Marcel Guarnizo, this young priest’s life is going to be ruined by the hatred of the homosexuals.


40 posted on 01/31/2014 8:47:42 PM PST by ottbmare (the OTTB mare, now a proud Marine Mom)
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To: marshmallow

Testing for a lawsuit? To the left gays trump God.

Taking down religion would suit the communists just fine.


41 posted on 01/31/2014 8:49:25 PM PST by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: marshmallow

Ummm, so? Maybe she should start attending an Unitarian church.


42 posted on 01/31/2014 8:51:37 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

You know, they won’t be happy, ever. They do want to push this and get the government involved, just like they did to those bakers who refused to make a wedding cake for a lesbian wedding. The judge says they HAD to. The New Mexican state supreme court said they HAD to.

At some point some judge will say the priest HAS to.


43 posted on 01/31/2014 8:53:18 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: marshmallow
Too bad. The right thing to do. Christ reconciles man to God—not God to man.
44 posted on 01/31/2014 9:15:13 PM PST by Fungi
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To: melsec

Thank you. This needs go be said day and night. Priest’s who give communion out like this are enabling judgement upon those who receive it.


45 posted on 01/31/2014 9:25:01 PM PST by STJPII
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To: marshmallow

I applaud when rules are enforced. So rare these days. The last priest refusing communion to a lesbian was rebuked by his bishop.


46 posted on 01/31/2014 9:35:39 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: Steve_Seattle
...scrupulosity is the bane of formal confession.

I'm not sure what a formal confession entails but I do believe that people's consciences work differently and many are harder on themselves than others are. For them, even private confession can be distressful, nerve-wracking.

Most Protestant religions don't have confessionals yet I've known many non-Catholics in my life and they are just as good folks as most Catholics, some better. My Dad included.

Just as an aside, how many, unknowingly, have confessed sins to a priest who was later found to have been abusing children? And does the average Catholic commit that despicable sin, or worse? I tend to think not.

47 posted on 01/31/2014 9:54:02 PM PST by IIntense
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To: Alas Babylon!

Yet somehow, I don’t think a Mohammedan imam will ever HAVE to.


48 posted on 01/31/2014 9:56:50 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: Steve_Seattle

Exactly. However, the libs do. Their worldview dictates than man is “born good” but corrupted by society. That’s why they have this drive to tear down the society that exists and rebuilt into “utopia” from the ground up. Of course, that never works despite their numerous failed attempts to do so because of the original sin they deny.


50 posted on 01/31/2014 10:13:05 PM PST by ReformationFan
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