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To: vladimir998

“I bet you’re going to continue to embarrass yourself.”

No — I’m leaving that honor to you alone. You have owned the field on that one.

So it’s your official position that one cannot lose one’s salvation, and that one can KNOW for certain that one is saved and it is not incumbent upon one to help save oneself through “sacraments”? If that’s truly your position, you’re the first Catholic I’ve come across who believes that salvation is secure and based on grace and faith alone.


56 posted on 02/16/2014 12:56:55 PM PST by JLLH
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To: JLLH

“So it’s your official position that one cannot lose one’s salvation,”

No, “once saved always saved” is not an orthodox Christian belief. That is a heretical belief which only Protestants hold.

“and that one can KNOW for certain that one is saved”

No, “absolute assurance” is not an orthodox Christian belief. That is a heretical belief which only some Protestants hold - not all.

“and it is not incumbent upon one to help save oneself through “sacraments”?”

Only God helps us through the sacraments. They are HIS works not ours.

“If that’s truly your position, you’re the first Catholic I’ve come across who believes that salvation is secure and based on grace and faith alone.”

Salvation by grace alone does not imply - even remotely - the heretical Protestant doctrines of absolute assurance, or once-saved-always-saved.


57 posted on 02/16/2014 1:15:23 PM PST by vladimir998
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