Posted on 02/15/2014 8:05:22 AM PST by OneVike
It has been the aim of the Democrat party since they lost the Presidential election in 2004 to subvert the Christian doctrine with the claim that Jesus was a Socialist. Their goal is to convince Christians that their Social agenda is morally equivalent with the teachings and life of Jesus Christ. They even went so far as to create handbooks to be distributing to pastors of churches that will show them how to use various Bible verses to promote what they call "Christian Socialism." Taking this into consideration, it shouldn't surprise anyone that many Christians across America were fooled into voting for Obama in 2008.
Add that to the vast amount of Americans who have a limited knowledge of history and hardly no Biblical knowledge, it is not surprising that many have fallen for the misinformation on what Jesus taught (and for whom the teachings were given). These Biblical revisionists have become especially adept at cherry picking Scripture to suit their agenda. Hence, many have come to misunderstand the gospel of Christ by equating it with modern day Socialism.
My first point of contention with the idea that Christ was a socialist, is His teachings and the example of His life. Throughout the time that Christ lived with His disciples, He never worked. Instead he was dependent upon the charity and good hearts of those who surrounded Him. Now that is not to say Jesus was lazy or a bum either. Jesus was always about His Fathers business, and that business was the salvation of mankind.You will find nowhere in the Scriptures, Jesus telling His followers to rely upon those who are not willing to hear the gospel or share what they have. If the people refused to hear
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OK but wasn’t Jesus’s sacrifice imposed on him by God. If Jesus had decided not to go through with it wouldn’t he have died and gone to hell?
I see that you are cold go and run for congress so I can make other people buy you a coat. That is not what Jesus wants me to do.
You really don't see the difference?
To say that Jesus was imposed on by God is like saying I am imposing on myself to type. I choose to type.
All Socialism is that way, and that is why Jesus was not a Socialist. Socialism is a political system based upon the Government forcing its will upon the citizens
Jesus never forced anyone to follow Him, or to do as he said. It is all voluntary. Read the article and you will understand.
Was Jesus not under coercion? If he had chosen not to sacrifice himself wouldn’t he have been punished by not ascending back to heaven and dying as a man in sin?
What you need to do is read His book. He explains it all.
Would you comment on a book written by anyone when you have no clue as to what he wrote?
Why would you do so without reading the book Jesus wrote?
It is after all, His story, from Genesis to Revelations.
Trust me, it is a very good read, and it will answer all your questions.
Jesus Christ’s love of God the Father and love for humankind caused Him to sacrifice Himself for us. This was an act of pure love, not coercion.
If he tells everyone that they will surely die if they choose not to follow him isn’t that sort of coercing them. Under Socialism people have a choice right? They can choose to follow the rules or die, right?
The economic system that is compatible with God-given human nature, God-given natural rights, and the Biblical concept of justice, is free enterprise, market economy, and capitalism.
This economic system grants individuals freedom in their choices regarding consumption and production. Freedom protects the individual from coercion by the state, which is a necessary fact of socialism. Justice requires that man be free from state coercion in order to use his talents to God's glory, and with integrity to work and reap rewards. Further capitalism is based on private property, the legitimacy of which is affirmed in the Bible, and on encouragement of responsibility and just reward for work. Only a free economic system can provide this type of justice and protect men from coercion by other men.
No, we were are all already going to die and go to hell.
God sent His son to die so we can now have a way to keep from going to Hell.
It is your choice, after all, if you do not want to live by His rules here, why would you want to live by His rules in heaven?
Sounds like your decision, not His.
I’m not commenting. I’m asking questions. I want to understand. I have read the book. I don’t see any difference between the threat of punishment for not complying with the government and the threat of punishment for not complying with God’s will. Aren’t they the same?
So fine. Let’s keep Jesus out of the debate. Men of his time had no idea of modern government, certainly not of socialism. No saying he was a man (that is the son of God and all knowing) but you can’t project from his teaching what he thought of various government types save “render unto Caesar, the things that are Caesar’s “.
Too many Christian churchs that are slipping to the dark side, gay marriage, socialism, amnesty.
But under Socialism, doesn’t the government offer people a way out of punishment that they are already going to suffer if they don’t comply by simply choosing to comply. I still don’t see the difference. What am I missing?
But God is the one imposing the rules. He is like the commissars. We were only going to die because of his rules.
If Jesus believes in self sacrifice for the good of others, how could he oppose Socialism when those are the principles that justify socialism?
If I take from you under the treat of imprisonment and/or death and give what you produce to someone chooses not to work, or keep it amongst my fellow overfed party leaders...
...IS THAT CHARITY?
You seem to worship the state. You’re in for a Hell of an eternity!
The difference is God is a perfect being, and anyone who falls short of perfection cannot be in His presence. To get in His presence, God sent His Only Son to die and wipe away your sin. So His righteousness becomes yours and thus you can be in His presence when you leave this world. Without Christ as your propitiation you will not gain access.
Remember, God promises you life eternal, not life with no problems before you die. His promise will give you the ability to emotionally and mentally handle the anguish you experience on earth, but His best promise kicks in after you kick the bucket in this old decaying cruel world.
The freedom from poverty the government offers is more poverty, and more anguish, even if you take the gift the socialist government offers. Then when you die, the government is gone just like you. The Socialist government promises cradle to grave care.
What happens after death?
The government does not promise help for those who die, in fact the government will eventually take your life if you are a drain on it’s ability ton help the healthy who need no help. Plus, after you die, the Socialist government will make your descendants pay for all that compassion they gave you while you were alive. So you are dead, where is your benevolent Socialistic government now?
God, through His Son Christ, offers you an eternal existence in His presence if you accept his son. Plus, after you die, He will not extract any payment from your children for the promise He offers if you accept. The governments promise ends when your life ends. Not much of a deal is it.
BIG DIFFERENCE.
In the Bible, I think it is accurate to say, the only time God intervenes in man’s political affairs is to give us governments to PUNISH us for our faithlessness.
So would Jesus give us a Socialist government? Depends on how mad He is with us.
If he wanted to do it was it a sacrifice? Or was it in his own self interest? Isn’t a sacrifice giving up something really important to you for something less important? If I go and give over $1000 for a TV because I want the TV more than I want the money, is that a sacrifice?
Who would make an informed, sober, choice of eternal agony over eternal bliss?
Can’t keep Him out of the debate, because the left is trying to fool Christians who only pay attention to politics in an election year. So we need to counter their lies before the election even heat up.
If we do not fight them with the tools at our disposal, then come 2016, millions of Christians will again be fooled into thinking Jesus is OK with Socialism when he is not!
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