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Rethinking Capital Punishment: Are U.S. standards far below biblical guidelines?
Christianity Today ^ | 03/14/2014 | David Neff

Posted on 03/14/2014 9:18:55 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Nifster
"Yeah, clearly I misunderstood you. Sorry my brain went in an entirely different direction than you intended. You and I agree"

No worries, it happens. Glad we cleared it up.

61 posted on 03/14/2014 11:09:36 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: PapaNew

Blew each.... Flawed logic all around. Don’t bother to respond. You can practice forgiveness all you want


62 posted on 03/14/2014 11:10:00 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: rjsimmon
And the reason the Pentagon cannot be audited, is due to the classification of on-going operations.

In other words, you're saying you didn't read the article I linked to?

Because even the Pentagon does not assert it can't be audited because of classified info.

63 posted on 03/14/2014 11:21:16 AM PDT by gdani
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To: SeekAndFind

Importantly, there needs to be a name change to the death penalty that will destabilize its opponents.

Instead of calling it the “death penalty” or “capital punishment”, say that the state is “euthanizing” these savage killers.

This works in two different ways against liberals.


64 posted on 03/14/2014 11:21:24 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: gdani
Because even the Pentagon does not assert it can't be audited because of classified info

Which they cannot. It is a Catch-22.

65 posted on 03/14/2014 11:23:13 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: rjsimmon
Which they cannot. It is a Catch-22.

If the Pentagon budget is "classified" then what exactly is this referring to?

66 posted on 03/14/2014 11:28:55 AM PDT by gdani
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To: gdani

This topic isn’t about OTHER countries, it’s about what WE perceive as just. Ted Bundy escaped prison and went on to murder or maim four more women. There are too many cases of people convicted of a crime, then set free early, who go on to murder again.


67 posted on 03/14/2014 11:40:20 AM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Or, call it a post-murder abortion.


68 posted on 03/14/2014 11:46:44 AM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Nifster

You make blank assertions which are no argument. This isn’t about forgiveness but justice. If they executed someone in your place it would be unjust double jeopardy for them to execute you for the same crime.


69 posted on 03/14/2014 12:16:25 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew
EXCUSE: Protecting society.
ANSWER: You lock up dangerous criminals to protect society.

Prison: where amateur criminals become hardened and knowledgeable at the knee of depraved criminal lifers. Then the amateurs get out and are free to use their newly-acquired knowledge on society.

70 posted on 03/14/2014 12:20:10 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (The less a man knows, the more certain he is that he knows it all.)
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To: my small voice
I put child killers and molesters in the same category. Child molesters being let off with light sentences is an abomination and only endangers more kids.

Any penetrative sex act on a child should merit a death sentence.

71 posted on 03/14/2014 12:22:32 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (The less a man knows, the more certain he is that he knows it all.)
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To: gdani
If the Pentagon budget is "classified" then what exactly is this referring to?

Looks like the PPE briefing guide or press release.

The "Pentagon" has two meanings.
--1 is the actual building, the care and feeding of the grounds, security, utilities and administration of the facility (not including military personnel, contractors or civilians working for the respective branches).
--2 would be the DoD in general. The document you linked to is the DoD Plans, Programs and Execution portion of the budget. The first line gives you the right clue: "Discretionary" which means each branch in general at the discretion of the SecDef, who receives a budget each year from the respective 4 branches. These budgets are sub-portions of what is called the POM (Program Objectives Memorandum) and details plans for a variety of programs and facilities for a 5-year span, planned 2-4 years prior to POM execution. So you are looking at 7-10 years in the future with every POM evolution. This is in keeping with each branches Commanding General's 20-year vision.

Monies are planned per fiscal year, but programs run much longer than that and become Programs of Record (POR) and can run decades. I managed a multi-year program that was in excess of $25 million estimated lifecycle, which was estimated to be 15 years minimum, making it a defacto ACAT-1b program giving it Congressional oversight. Mine was a small POR.

Were you to add all of the dollar amounts on that paper you linked to, you would find lots of discrepancies due to classified projects that may or may not be part of the discretionary funds. This is intentional as classifed budgets cannot officially exist, but they do. Even the President has a classified budget, which is considered discretionary and I am sure that the current resident of the White House uses it to the fullest extent...

72 posted on 03/14/2014 12:26:36 PM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: varon
Government (next to religion) is the greediest, most corrupt and murderous force on Earth.

You are statistically incorrect on that. Atheist tyrannies such as communism/socialism/fascism are the most murderous force on earth. You are also incorrect to lump all belief systems under one word, "religion." Christianity and Islam are as different as night and day.

73 posted on 03/14/2014 12:27:09 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (The less a man knows, the more certain he is that he knows it all.)
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To: PapaNew
If they executed someone in your place it would be unjust double jeopardy for them to execute you for the same crime.

I honestly believe that you do not know what "double jeapordy" means.

74 posted on 03/14/2014 12:29:50 PM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: varmintman
They expected DNA testing to eliminate the prime suspect in felony cases in something like one or two percent of cases and many people were in states of shock when that number came back more like 33 or 35%. That translates into some fabulous number of people sitting around in prisons for stuff they don't know anything at all about since the prime suspect in a felony case usually goes to prison.

I did not understand what you are trying to say here. Could you rephrase it or explain your point differently?

75 posted on 03/14/2014 12:31:23 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (The less a man knows, the more certain he is that he knows it all.)
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To: Meet the New Boss; gdani
The fact that a “majority of the planet” does or does not do some particular thing is not a sound argument, in my view, for whether that thing in principle is right or wrong.

Mom: "Just because all the other kids are doing something is no reason for you to do it."

The things we learn from our parents...

76 posted on 03/14/2014 12:37:50 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (The less a man knows, the more certain he is that he knows it all.)
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To: rjsimmon

What have I said that makes you think that?


77 posted on 03/14/2014 12:38:52 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Nifster; circlecity
So out of context and not pertinent.

Why is it "out of context" for a conservative American to consult the Bible for guidance on moral issues, such as whether capital punishment is justifiable?

78 posted on 03/14/2014 12:41:43 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (The less a man knows, the more certain he is that he knows it all.)
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To: PapaNew
What have I said that makes you think that?

Double Jeapordy is when one person suffers punishment twice for the same crime. You are speaking of two people suffering punishment for the same crime where one was innocent.

79 posted on 03/14/2014 12:41:52 PM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: dfwgator
build a huge camp in Alaska in the middle of nowhere, where all hardened criminals are sent to live out their days, on rations of bread and water.

It should be on the moon, or at least Antarctica; not Alaska.

80 posted on 03/14/2014 12:43:26 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (The less a man knows, the more certain he is that he knows it all.)
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