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To: LurkingSince'98; CynicalBear; metmom; Gamecock; daniel1212; Greetings_Puny_Humans; boatbums; ...
Next if you read the Apostolic Church Father, those early Church leaders and writers, who studied at the feet of the apostles. In general they include: Clement of Rome, Ignatius of Antioch, Polycarp of Smyrna, the author of the Didache, and the author of the Shepherd of Hermas. These earlier church fathers were associated with apostles: Clement with Peter (associated closely with Rome) and with Paul (as the Clement Paul wrote about in Philippians 4:3), Papias and Polycarp with John (associated with Asia Minor).

Quite risky of you to include the Shepard of Hermes. That book seems to support adoptionism, which is contrary to the Trinity. Cultists use it quite frequently hoping to connect anti-Trinitarian heresy with the early church. I will also add that the early church did not recognize the writings of any Bishop or "holy person" as having the same or even similar strength to the scriptures, contrary to your claims. For example:

Cyril of Jerusalem on Sola Scriptura:

Not even his own teachings, he teaches, if it cannot be shown out of the holy scriptures, should be accepted:

“Have thou ever in your mind this seal, which for the present has been lightly touched in my discourse, by way of summary, but shall be stated, should the Lord permit, to the best of my power with the proof from the Scriptures. For concerning the divine and holy mysteries of the Faith, not even a casual statement must be delivered without the Holy Scriptures; nor must we be drawn aside by mere plausibility and artifices of speech. Even to me, who tell you these things, give not absolute credence, unless thou receive the proof of the things which I announce from the Divine Scriptures. For this salvation which we believe depends not on ingenious reasoning , but on demonstration of the Holy Scriptures.” (Cyril of Jerusalem, Cat. Lecture 4, Ch. 17)

Tradition is the whole knowledge of godliness contained both in the Old and New Testament (a summary of it, or its teachings), not that which is invented by man, transmitted by word of mouth to the illiterate:

“But in learning the Faith and in professing it, acquire and keep that only, which is now delivered to you by the Church, and which has been built up strongly out of all the Scriptures. For since all cannot read the Scriptures, some being hindered as to the knowledge of them by want of learning, and others by a want of leisure, in order that the soul may not perish from ignorance, we comprise the whole doctrine of the Faith in a few lines. This summary I wish you both to commit to memory when I recite it, and to rehearse it with all diligence among yourselves, not writing it out on paper, but engraving it by the memory upon your heart , taking care while you rehearse it that no Catechumen chance to overhear the things which have been delivered to you. I wish you also to keep this as a provision through the whole course of your life, and beside this to receive no other, neither if we ourselves should change and contradict our present teaching, nor if an adverse angel, transformed into an angel of light 2 Corinthians 11:14 should wish to lead you astray. For though we or an angel from heaven preach to you any other gospel than that you have received, let him be to you anathema. Galatians 1:8-9 So for the present listen while I simply say the Creed, and commit it to memory; but at the proper season expect the confirmation out of Holy Scripture of each part of the contents. For the articles of the Faith were not composed as seemed good to men; but the most important points collected out of all the Scripture make up one complete teaching of the Faith. And just as the mustard seed in one small grain contains many branches, so also this Faith has embraced in few words all the knowledge of godliness in the Old and New Testaments. Take heed then, brethren, and hold fast the traditions which you now receive, and write them on the table of your heart.” (Ibid, Lecture 5, Ch. 12)

433 posted on 03/22/2014 3:50:17 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: LurkingSince'98; CynicalBear; metmom; Gamecock; daniel1212; Greetings_Puny_Humans; boatbums; ...
Now that would be the exact waste of my Catholic time that I was speaking of.

I've been kibitzing on this thread for a while, now, and can't help but laugh at the twists and lack of Scripture coming from Roman Catholics. The Catholics would rather posit that tradition and Rome are the arbiters of the truth and that Scripture is only relevant with a defining word from their interpretation.

When confronted with the clear and precise Scriptural refutation of their point(s), they will begin to accuse of anti-this or that or simply say they won't waste their precious Roman Catholic time. It seems that Satan has a stronghold and God is allowing it to stand (as previously demonstrated in the many responses to another red herring).

Tradition is the whole knowledge of godliness contained both in the Old and New Testament (a summary of it, or its teachings), not that which is invented by man, transmitted by word of mouth to the illiterate: -GPH

Mark 7: 8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.” 9 And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observec your own traditions! 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ 11 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is Corban (that is, devoted to God)— 12 then you no longer let them do anything for their father or mother. 13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”


435 posted on 03/22/2014 4:16:38 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("Help spread the good news; we can send helpmates to the good guys in D.C." -Sarah Palin, March 13)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Thanks.


440 posted on 03/22/2014 5:12:15 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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