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Pope: OK to fight with God, hold him to his promise, remember his love
Catholic News Service ^ | 4/03/2014 | Carol Glatz

Posted on 04/04/2014 1:58:22 PM PDT by ebb tide

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To: Bigg Red

Thank you. May he bless you too and I hope you’re having a blessed Lent.


61 posted on 04/04/2014 6:00:31 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: ebb tide

Did not one of His last words, “My God, My God, why have you abandoned me? “ is as close as it gets to being “angry” with God right then and there as I see it.


62 posted on 04/04/2014 6:03:07 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: ebb tide

Both.


63 posted on 04/04/2014 6:04:36 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: ebb tide

God is challenged every time you cry out for help, He wants that.


64 posted on 04/04/2014 6:06:51 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: ebb tide

I hope you weren’t addressing that to me, as my post was about serving, not fighting for your own way.


65 posted on 04/04/2014 6:15:35 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: Biggirl

Apparently, you see a lot things differently than me if you think that was “anger”.

When you look at your crucifix, if you own one, do you see “anger”?


66 posted on 04/04/2014 6:20:15 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

I see nothing but LOVE from Christ on the Cross.


67 posted on 04/04/2014 6:21:56 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: ebb tide

The words from Psalm 22 is the only time that Jesus spoke with emotion pretty close to anger for a very brief moment.


68 posted on 04/04/2014 6:23:57 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: ebb tide

Please don’t misunderstand. Two clarifications: 1. I’m not saying that we won’t get disciplined as children when we express our anger - but I believe God in his wisdom guides us and answers us to learn, to become more Christ-like. 2. When I say ‘challenge’ it’s more like when God says in the Old Testament to ‘Prove me(some translations ‘Test me’ - not as in tempt God but in challange me to show you that I AM THAT I AM and mean what I say - My promises are Yeah and Amen! That is what I believe Moses and Abraham did. God loves a humble heart - but he also loves when we come to him in sincerity of feelings and thoughts - and he WILL correct us as the perfect loving Father.


69 posted on 04/04/2014 6:24:19 PM PDT by time4good
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To: Biggirl

God is challenged every time we sin. There’s no reason to challenge Him even more.

Once again, look at Lucifer’s challenge and where it got him.


70 posted on 04/04/2014 6:24:30 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Biggirl

But you just said Christ said His last words, on the Cross, in anger. Which is it?


71 posted on 04/04/2014 6:26:47 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

You see things different from how I see it. There is nothing wrong with challenging God in a good sense, meaning when you need His help.


72 posted on 04/04/2014 6:28:14 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: ebb tide

The way it sounded, during His suffering on the Cross.


73 posted on 04/04/2014 6:29:17 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

I admire this pope enormously and I think I see what he is trying to do. He is a true shepherd and is trying every which way to get the sinners, the doubters, the unbelievers, the disappointed back into the fold where we all belong.

He sacrifices the whole truth sometimes for pastoral concerns.

I don’t really think it is okay to fight with the Lord, however. Everything we are told by the Almighty is for our own good. Even when our prayers are not answered it is still for our own good, hard as that may be to believe sometimes.

Psalms 106: And he gave them their request, but sent leanness into their soul.

This is about sinners (so if the shoe fits, slip it right on), but I think contains a deeper truth for all of us. When we realize everything he wants us to do or not do is for us, not him, it brings a special kind of peace. His orders are the exact opposite of most earthly orders, and that I think is the reason for much unbelief. We don’t want anyone bossing us around the way earthly bosses do.

It’s better to fight with Him than to ignore Him completely and turn to other things, but you are still on the staircase, not really where he wants you to be for your sake.


74 posted on 04/04/2014 6:37:55 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: Biggirl

What Bible are you pulling your Psalm 22 from?

Psalm 22:

[1] A psalm for David. The Lord ruleth me: and I shall want nothing. [2] He hath set me in a place of pasture. He hath brought me up, on the water of refreshment: [3] He hath converted my soul. He hath led me on the paths of justice, for his own name’ s sake. [4] For though I should walk in the midst of the shadow of death, I will fear no evils, for thou art with me. Thy rod and thy staff, they have comforted me. [5] Thou hast prepared a table before me against them that afflict me. Thou hast anointed my head with oil; and my chalice which inebriateth me, how goodly is it!


75 posted on 04/04/2014 7:18:46 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: firebrand; Biggirl

>>He sacrifices the whole truth sometimes for pastoral concerns.<<

Classic oxymoron. If Christ sacrificed the Truth, we’d all be damned.


76 posted on 04/04/2014 7:21:26 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Biggirl

Will you challenge God, in a good sense, at your final judgement?


77 posted on 04/04/2014 7:38:51 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Biggirl

>>No it is not a sin to be angry wiht God. It is an emotion neither good nor bad.<<

Did you know that anger is one of the seven deadly sins? And what can be worse than being angry with God?


78 posted on 04/04/2014 8:10:23 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

I believe you quoted Psalm 23.


79 posted on 04/04/2014 8:17:05 PM PDT by Scarlet7
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To: Scarlet7

I quoted Psalm 22 from the Catholic Douay-Rheims Bible. I have no idea what bible you and biggirl are sourcing.

http://www.drbo.org/chapter/21022.htm


80 posted on 04/04/2014 8:36:34 PM PDT by ebb tide
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