Pay No Attention to That Man Behind the Curtain! Catholic History and the Emerald City Protocol

reformation21 ^ | April 2012 | Carl Trueman

[Elsie]

You see because because God is infinite,

Yup; and any HUMAN (Mary) that can do the same is...

(Drum roll - wait for it...)

GOD

[Elsie]

I know you say over and over the ‘6000 prayer requests per second has overloaded the lines’, but I would just point out the ONE word which is wrong and that is SECONDS.

[Elsie]

Once again; no one ever claimed she wasn’t blessed.

Are you a bait-and-switch guy?

[Elsie]

I don’t want to hurt your feelings, so try not to get all defensive ok?

You funny!

(Ps: did you cut and paste all that?)

[Elsie]

Where’d my reply go?

[Elsie]

What’s ‘wrong’ is that you’ve mixed the limitations of the human - Mary - and tried to say that I’ve applied them to GOD.

[Elsie]

Have I missed Mass on Sundays or Holy Days of obligation?

SHEESH!!!

Romans 14:5
One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.

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But... but... my CHURCH tells me...

[Elsie]

Am I a member of any non-Catholic religious organization, secret society or anti-Catholic group?

HMMMmmm...

So THIS is where the MORMONs get it from: #7

 

Temple Recommend Questions

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1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

5 Do you live the law of chastity?

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do you keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other obligations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?
Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?

Temple Recommend Questions

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1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

5 Do you live the law of chastity?

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do you keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other obligations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?
Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?

[Elsie]

Have I knowingly read any heretical, blasphemous or anti-Catholic literature?

Well; here you are on FR!!

[Elsie]

Have I rashly judged anyone (i.e. believed firmly, without sufficient evidence, that they are guilty of some moral defect or crime)?
Have I injured the good name of another by revealing true but hidden faults (detraction)?
Have I disclosed another´s sins?
Have I been guilty of talebearing, (i.e. reporting something unfavorable said of someone by another so as to create enmity between them)?

Do you REALLY want to go here???

[BlueDragon]

What it infers is that God was the actual author of such as with Scripture

If that be the case, then Gregory the Great who was depicted as taking dictation, should be looked into more deeply than those apologist whom employ ellipses to get around Gregory writing of "the See of Peter being in three places", as is spoken of (when not simply ignored) in modern, Roman Catholic pattern & practice of "apologetic" dodginess, spoken of here, with that title "Universal" though used to some extent by his own predecessor Leo I, was urged upon himself also -- but which Gregory as bishop of Rome, rejected in no uncertain terms, writing in paragraph after paragraph just how wrong the very idea of that sort of one bishop over ALL others was (though various patriarchates in his day, had some history of "development" previous to his own time) as is discussed by Schaff here.

[Elsie]

[LurkingSince'98]

first of all that is real blasphemy - to say that anyone or any thing is God or like God.

Secondly, you are a REAL POOR LEARNER because I have told you on several occasions that if a Catholic were to ever worship Mary they would be automatically excommunicated -0 the Latin term is: Latae sententiae is a Latin phrase, meaning “sentence (already) passed”, used in the canon law of the Catholic Church.

A latae sententiae penalty is one that follows ipso facto or automatically, by force of the law itself, when a law is contravened; a penalty that binds a guilty party only after it has been imposed on the person is known as a ferendae sententiae (meaning “sentence to be passed”) penalty.[1]

also see:

Worship Mary - Get Excommunicated!
http://catholicknight.blogspot.com/2007/09/worship-mary-get-excommunicated.html

THE CATHOLIC KNIGHT: I’ve been telling Evangelical Protestants this for years. Whenever they ask why Catholics worship Mary, I respond that any Catholic who worships Mary would probably be excommunicated. I then go on to explain that the form of veneration Catholics give to Mary is not the same as worship, and Catholics understand this distinction all too well.

Now it would appear that my illustration has become reality. A group of Catholics, who have taken Marian veneration to the point of worship, have just been excommunicated for worshipping Mary...

Little Rock, AR, Sep 27, 2007 / 02:17 pm (CNA).- In its 165 years of existence, the Diocese of Little Rock had never experienced its members being excommunicated, that is, until recently. Six sisters in Hot Springs, Arkansas were automatically excommunicated due to their participation in the Community of the Lady of All Nations, or more commonly called, the Army of Mary.

Now what do you call someone who has been told in very explicit terms that the lies he is spreading is false and he still persists (besides a liar)? Which commandment would that be?

For the Greater Glory of God

[LurkingSince'98]

you know Elise

if you sit around every Lord’s Day and do nothing are you really honoring the Lord???

We obligate ourselves because we believe that we should not just honor God ‘by our mere presence siting at home’ but that we belong in Church with the other faithful.

So you can sit at home on the Holy Days and honor yourself - see how that works our for you in the long run.

and it seems like you get more bitter by the day - wow.

AMDG

[aMorePerfectUnion]

LS98,

I was a Catholic before I entrusted myself to Christ alone for salvation. As a former alter boy, I do know quite a bit firsthand and much more as an adult through studying Church History in seminary.

Catholics cannot think it went off track any more than they can any of the other false teachings. It is all they know and they must agree in this system or leave.

Still, in the end, God commanded believers to confess their sins to one another. To not do so is to ignore His command and miss the blessing of following it.

best

[BlueDragon]

good grief man - you are the one who underlined your.

Think about that - of course it was my wife who the heck would I be talking about.

There was a reason I did so. I don't need be told to "think about it", for I know why I did so.

It is you who seem to not understand me at all -- while not much addressing what it is I have said, other than to come at me from Romish teachings -- which I know well enough already, and need no teacher of per se --or seek either.

But rather --- why include mention of "slights" made against your own wife and daughter, in a prayer -- unless possible you held ought against another, or more simply wanted to remind everyone how put upon you were? Think about that, then you tell me, if you like...

I still don't know who did what you say they did, or where, but I was assuming it occurred in the course of communication on this forum. Perhaps that was an incorrect assumption on my part.

Apparently, citing legalisms of Rome, you said;

However, without the thorough Examination of Conscience and the an Act of Contrition and without that desire to avoid the sin it doesn’t count - it’s a whiff.

then near closing, after indications that forgiveness of sins not rely upon there being no personal transgressions of a 'font of forgiveness' RC priests are by RC theology made out to singularly upon earth be, say;

"...if the sin is not separated from the sinner after forgiveness, as common sense is still confirmed in faith.

there at the end come closer to so-called "Protestant" typical understandings, but with understanding being that the keys, the binding and loosening as seen in Matthew chapter sixteen spoken of be given to Peter, and in chapter 18, being given over to all the Apostles directly Christ also, not restricted to being funneled first through Peter to all the rest --- or said much of anywhere to be restricted to those bowing obeisance to some future bishopric located in Rome, into perpetuity.

[LurkingSince'98]

citing legalisms of Rome

that is not Rome that is what I have heard from Protestants!

and it is common sense -— if you do not care enough to exam properly, if your aren’t sorry, if you plan on not avoiding the occasions of sin DO YOU REALLY THINK GOD FORGIVES YOU???

sometimes to be protestant is to be sooooo far off the reservation you can’t even see the border.

AMDG

[PeterPrinciple]

to all here on this thread,

As I read the Bible, a LOT of protestants and a LOT of Catholics are going to be surprised at heavens door. “Go away, I never knew you” will be the words of the surprise. The test will not be if you are protestant or catholic, Calvinist or Baptist, etc. The test is does he know us, not that we know him (though that will most likely be true also.)

In the mean time “working out our faith with fear and trembling” apply. Not the other persons faith.

We will find out soon enough who is right and who isn’t, so place your bets.

[Karl Spooner]

"Worship Mary - Get Excommunicated!"

That all sounds like a web of lies. Whatever happened to this guy for instance?

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[Karl Spooner]

As I read the Bible, a LOT of protestants and a LOT of Catholics are going to be surprised at heavens door. “Go away, I never knew you” will be the words of the surprise. The test will not be if you are protestant or catholic, Calvinist or Baptist, etc. The test is does he know us, not that we know him (though that will most likely be true also.)

The point is that if one believes in fairy tales, other than the true scriptures that God wrote to us, the odds are very high that they will be believing the false Christ that is sent here first claiming to be Christ.