Posted on 04/18/2014 10:26:17 PM PDT by GonzoII
as Jesus said, “enter by the narrow gate”.
In a word, no.
Find a righteous man, a righteous priest, and a righteous pope. Which one shall you find first?
The argument would be much better if it didn’t try to span Old and New Covenants and use examples from when folks had to provide sacrifices that Jesus took care of in the New Covenant. Just sayin’; there is a fundamental difference between the Old and the New and it would be nice for it to not be marginalized for the sake of argument.
Just look who’s washing feet and whos feet she washed
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Pelosi-assists-in-Holy-Week-foot-washing-ritual-5411553.php
Plosi is supposedly Catholic, but she is a an Episcopal
Church.
And adults washing the feet f children? In
Sodom Francisco?
That just creeps me out.
And why is she smiling? The washing of feet is supposed to be an act of humility,, not a photo op?
2 answers of No
joining post#3
“The words bind and loose mean: whomever you exclude from your communion, will be excluded from communion with God; whomever you receive anew into your communion, God will welcome back into his. Reconciliation with the Church is inseparable from reconciliation with God.”
Now that’s a very imaginative interpretation of scripture!
Here’s a third no.
Any religion that says they have the right to change or supercede scripture, even the words of Christ Jesus, is not of Him.
Make that third resounding NO. As usual, Rome has abused the Bible and lied on God. There is a limitless sea of mercy and forgiveness available directly from God through Christ. NO PRIEST NEEDED. I would be scared to confess anything to a wicked unsaved priest, let alone rely on one to pronounce me forgiven.
Ezr.10:11 says, “Now therefore make confession unto the LORD God....” And again in Mark 2:7
“...who can forgive sins but God only?” 1Jo.1:9 reads: “If we confess our sins, [To God, not a priest] He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”
I John 2:1: “And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous....”
Psalms 32:5 says: “I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah.”
The Lord himself says: “And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.” ( Heb.10:17) In Matthew 18:15-18, the standard is set for dealing with sin in the church. If a brother sins against you, you were to go to that brother and: “...tell him his fault between thee and him ALONE: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more...if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church. And if he shall neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as a heathen man and a publican”
http://www.cuttingedge.org/articles/RC123
Auricular Confession: A Late Invention
Question: Since it was Jesus who established the sacrament of Penance, why is it that Protestants do not confess their sins to a priest?
Answer: Confession to a priest is not a biblical practice; it is not even a custom of the early church.
Our Lord taught us to confess our sins directly to God the Father. He told us to pray, “Our Father in heaven...forgive us our sins as we forgive those who trespass against us.” Reading the New Testament we do not find a single instance of the apostles hearing private confession; nor do we find the disciples confessing to a priest.
There was no auricular confession to a priest in the early church either. Augustine gives us a snapshot of the church in the 4th and 5th century. In his Sermon to Catechumens on the Creed, Augustine writes:
“When ye have been baptized, hold fast a good life in the commandments of God, that ye may guard your Baptism even unto the end. I do not tell you that ye will live here without sin; but they are venial, without which this life is not. For the sake of all sins was Baptism provided; for the sake of light sins, without which we cannot be, was prayer provided. What hath the Prayer? “Forgive us our debts, as we also forgive our debtors.” Once for all we have washing in Baptism, every day we have washing in prayer. Only, do not commit those things for which ye must needs be separated from Christ’s body: which be far from you! For those whom ye have seen doing penance, have committed heinous things, either adulteries or some enormous crimes: for these they do penance. Because if theirs had been light sins, to blot out these daily prayer would suffice.”
How did Christians deal with sin at that time? They dealt severely with those who committed grievous sins, casting them out of the church. A period of “penance” was required before the repentant sinner was re-admitted. But what about the daily sins that all Christians commit? Did they confess them to a priest? No, they confessed directly to God in prayer, asking the Father for forgiveness. Prayer was considered sufficient for daily cleaning.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church admits that private confession first came on the scene in the seventh century:
“Over the centuries the concrete form in which the Church has exercised this power received from the Lord has varied considerably. During the first centuries the reconciliation of Christians who had committed particularly grave sins after their Baptism (for example, idolatry, murder, or adultery) was tied to a very rigorous discipline, according to which penitents had to do public penance for their sins, often for years, before receiving reconciliation. To this ‘order of penitents’ (which concerned only certain grave sins), one was only rarely admitted and in certain regions only once in a lifetime. During the seventh century Irish missionaries, inspired by the Eastern monastic tradition, took to continental Europe the ‘private’ practice of penance, which does not require public and prolonged completion of penitential works before reconciliation with the Church. From that time on, the sacrament has been performed in secret between penitent and priest. This new practice envisioned the possibility of repetition and so opened the way to a regular frequenting of this sacrament. It allowed the forgiveness of grave sins and venial sins to be integrated into one sacramental celebration. In its main lines this is the form of penance that the Church has practiced down to our day” (Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraph 1447).
So, private confession was introduced a full seven centuries after Christ and His apostles. Ironically the Roman Church curses us if we dare assert the plain historical fact that secret confession to a priest was not observed from the beginning:
“If anyone denies that the sacramental confession was instituted, and is necessary for salvation, by divine Law; or says that the manner of confessing secretly to a priest alone, which the Catholic Church has always observed from the beginning and still observes, is at variance with the institution and command of Christ and is a human invention, anathema sit” (Council of Trent, Session 14, Canon 6).
Friend, I urge you to disregard Rome’s vain threats; you cannot deny the truth. If you want to follow the teaching of the Bible, and the practice of the early church, stop once and for all going to private confession to a priest. Pray to God. He knows your heart and He hears your prayers. He will certainly forgive you if you repent and believe in His Son, Jesus Christ.
http://www.justforcatholics.org/a23.htm
http://www.sohmer.net/GoR/08-confession.php
I’m happy to get absolution every two to four weeks but the examination of conscious is a wonderful exercise. I am also a proud 8 year member of Al-anon. Step 4, made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves. Step 5 - Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs. So I guess to me that is a lot like confession. If a Protestant is going through steps 4 and 5 on a regular basis then that’s great. I’m reasonably sure that it will bring absolution from sin. Otherwise, don’t lecture me about how going to confession is not Biblical. Same thing with yada yada grumpiness about my rosary and other prayers. If a Protestant sits down every day and prays for thirty minutes to an hour, then he or she may have something to teach me about how I pray. Otherwise, not interested even in reading their posts.
No.
"Receive the Holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained." --JesusIt's impossible to imagine Jesus giving the Apostles the power to forgive and retain sins, unless the penitent's sins were somehow communicated to the Apostles.
How would the penitent communicate his sins to them? By writing, or verbally? The former seems imprudent (and impractical in those days since most people were illiterate), at best.
That leaves telepathic communication, or infused knowledge from God. There is no evidence for the latter.
I believe it was a good thread, but once again it does not seem to be about anything other than the authority of the catholic Church.
I can not deny that it makes some sense but Jesus said a lot of other things that this Church completely ignores.
Matthew 23:
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Deuteronomy 5
12
Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
13
Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
14
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work,
Just a couple of scriptures but they are plain and to the point, while the Priest hearing confession is not really that clear.
I agree, there are too many things which over ride the idea of confessing to a priest.
Also the Church members were to confess their faults to one another but where does that leave the people who are not members of a Church?
Hebrews 8
10
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11
And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12
For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
http://carm.org/John2023-priests-forgive-sins
Believe as you will. I don’t expect to convince you, so I won’t try. I will, however, ask what happened to all the sinners who didn’t have the benefit of confession for hundreds and hundreds of years? Why is there NO confessional in the New Testament? No Catholic has ever confessed every single sin. It’s impossible to even recognize all of our sins of commission, let alone omission, so what of all those unconfessed sins?
Don’t bother answering, those are rhetorical questions.
To everyone else I will point out that the confessional box has created an opening for unspeakable sin throughout the centuries. How many molested boys initially fell under the sway of pervert priests in the confessional box? Roman Catholic confession is an invention of those who want to lord over men. It’s an unbiblical burden on the souls of lost men who desperately need forgiveness. It’s a wicked invention!
Confession to a Priest?
http://youtu.be/CHAnpkD3Vp4
Do Catholic Priests Have Special Powers?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDy62L27gCM
An Irishman Cuts Out the Middle Man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgK0VESR4YA&feature=youtu.be
Wow, I’m surprised it took 14 posts before someone raised the whole priest as pedophile issue. Good thing no protestant ministers have ever crossed that line.
**Is Confession Biblical? **
Yes, but most non-Catholics will not believe the Bible’s words on this matter.
**Confession to a priest is not a biblical practice**
Yes, it is. Why don’t you believe your Bible?
Catechism of the Catholic Church
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1449 The formula of absolution used in the Latin Church expresses the essential elements of this sacrament: the Father of mercies is the source of all forgiveness. He effects the reconciliation of sinners through the Passover of his Son and the gift of his Spirit, through the prayer and ministry of the Church:
God, the Father of mercies, |
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