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Oops, He Did it Again!
http://blog.steveskojec.com ^ | April 24, 2014 | Steve Skojec

Posted on 04/25/2014 12:40:56 PM PDT by ebb tide

So, the phone call happened.

Pope Francis called an Argentine woman married to a divorced man and reportedly told her that she could receive the sacrament of Communion, according to the woman’s husband, in an apparent contradiction of Catholic law.

Julio Sabetta, from San Lorenzo in the Pope’s home country, said his wife, Jacqueline Sabetta Lisbona, spoke with Francis on Monday.

Jacqueline Sabetta Lisbona wrote to the pontiff in September to ask for clarification on the Communion issue, according to her husband, who said his divorced status had prevented her from receiving the sacrament.

“She spoke with the Pope, and he said she was absolved of all sins and she could go and get the Holy Communion because she was not doing anything wrong,” Sabetta told Channel 3 Rosario, a CNN affiliate.

A Vatican spokesman confirmed the telephone call but would not comment on the conversation’s content.

“It’s between the Pope and the woman,” said the Rev. Thomas Rosica, a consultant for the Vatican press office.

Rosica said that any comments made by the Pope should not be construed as a change in church doctrine. “The magisterium of the church is not defined by personal phone calls.”

Is anyone else getting really, really tired of this game?

Pope Francis consistently says things that cause serious concern among Catholics who know what the Church teaches. No sooner have the words left his mouth (and of course, been reported on far and wide) than the spin machine goes into high gear – powered in large part by Catholic bloggers who make a living promoting the status quo within the Church (no conflict of interest there!) — telling us why we should not worry about the obviously controversial thing because of one of the following reasons:

It’s a translation issue It’s a contextual issue When he said “X” it’s clear that he probably meant “Y” The source is unreliable The information is not first-hand We must look at the issue through the Argentinian cultural lens The media is misrepresenting what he said He contradicted himself in another thing that he said during a homily last week Fr. Lombardi says it ain’t true Take your pick. There are probably others. I imagine the Catholic apologists in the tank for this nonsense have a sort of flow chart they pass around every time they add a new option. “Did the Pope speak in Italian? –> IF YES, it’s not his native language. Lost in Translation. IF NO…”

It’s a spin-the-wheel sort of system. Maybe there’s a papal 8-ball out there (in white, of course) where you shake it up and it gives you a series of half-believable reasons why whatever he said wasn’t really heterodox. Across the spectrum of Catholic publications and social media, it’s become a giant excuse-making enterprise. Almost like the Pope Francis edition of whack-a-mole.

You’ll have to excuse my sarcasm. I’m starting to find this all incredibly offensive, and insulting to the collective intelligence of Catholics who see what is really going on.

The Holy Father is, for all intents and purposes, shooting a rail gun into the heart of the faith. He is undeniably causing mass division and confusion, which are not signs of God’s work, and these things are particularly afflicting the faithful Catholics who are in the tiny minority among the world’s self-professed Catholics.

You can’t simply look at each incident as an isolated issue. You have to look at the problem comprehensively. All this build up about divorce and remarriage and communion. The endless goings on about pastoral concerns trumping rubrics. The condemnations of triumphalism and neo-pelagianism. The public praising of Kasper’s dangerous speech on the topic, and of him as a theologian. The constant shaking up of the way things are done and the obvious disregard for the way things are supposed be. The false humility which masks the absolutely unilateral power with which tradition is dispensed with. The insistence on collegiality and delegating papal authority to local bishops, only for the pope to go directly to people and make these kinds of phone calls.

Disruption. Disruption. Disruption.

You have a PR and management team analyzing the media and communications around this pontificate. I once worked for one of the best PR firms in the country. I know what they do. They see the messages, the news stories, the thematic resonance. Things are weighed and measured. Responses are planned. If these people are not doing this, what are they doing? This is their job.

The pope has been made personally aware of the way people receive his comments (with “big eyes” no less.) He has responded directly (by phone!) to some of his critics, thanking them for their criticism (isn’t he MAGNANIMOUS?!). Still, he has not become sensitive to the fallout or changed his approach. He has not, in a word, become responsible.

So this phone call happens. It is reported that the pope tells this woman something that is clearly in contradiction with Church teaching. The Vatican press office is asked about it — and the story is confirmed — thus making the inner circle aware that people want to know, especially leading up to the synod in October, which will address this issue of communion for the divorced and remarried.

And yet, we receive no clarification. We get vagueries from Fr. Lombardi, which some are choosing to interpret as a polite way of saying that lies are being spread:

Several telephone calls have taken place in the context of Pope Francis’ personal pastoral relationships.

Since they do not in any way form part of the Pope’s public activities, no information or comments are to be expected from the Holy See Press Office.

That which has been communicated in relation to this matter, outside the scope of personal relationships, and the consequent media amplification, cannot be confirmed as reliable, and is a source of misunderstanding and confusion.

Therefore, consequences relating to the teaching of the Church are not to be inferred from these occurrences.

This doesn’t mean anything. It also makes no sense.

Why would this woman lie if she got the answer she wanted? Why make something up?

And if she didn’t get the answer she wanted and did lie about it, only the Pope himself can say, “Yes, I spoke to her, but this is not what was said.” Since he knows this is becoming a big story, it behooves him to do this if he cares about preserving doctrinal clarity and avoiding unnecessarily scandalizing the faithful. If he doesn’t want to speak to it directly, the statement that needs to be made by the press office, with his authorization, is astonishingly simple:

“The Holy Father cannot comment on the contents of a personal phone call, but suffice to say that in his discussion he did, in fact, reaffirm the Church’s longstanding teaching on divorce and remarriage, and the conditions for the reception of communion.”

That kills the noise. Instead, this continues to get bigger and spread and affect people’s perceptions of what is really going on. The pope understands by now how fast the media machine works. He should be pretty used to creating controversy at this point, and a man in his position with his obligation to safeguard the sensus fidei would, one would assume, care a great deal about setting the record straight.

And yet…nothing.

This is EXACTLY what someone trying to change Church teaching through public perception rather than doctrinal alteration would want. If this isn’t planned, it’s the most unbelievably devilish luck.

I am forced to conclude that his silence is a form of consent. Which leads to other conclusions:

It is entirely possible that in order to maintain plausible deniability, he is not telling his own press people anything. After all, he’s the only one who could know the contents of the phone call other than Mrs. Sabetta, who has already told her side of the story. If they can only deny this in vagueries, what can come of it?

On the other hand, if he were to confirm he said this, it would send many faithful Catholics over the edge and into the camp with those of who believe we have a serious pope problem. Quite a risk.

So silence is a win/win for him. By not making it clear that he *didn’t* say this, he is showing that he has no problem with letting everyone *believe* that he did. Because nothing can be proven, many faithful Catholics will, in charity, assume that he would not say such a heretical thing. Those who ring the bell on this stuff [raises hand] will simply become a greater nuisance and further marginalized because they’re “apoplectic bedwetters” (or whatever unique epithet they’ll spin up) despite not knowing anything for certain.

And the inevitable, slow march toward allowing those living objectively in mortal sin to be admitted to communion will continue. No doubt many of them are already celebrating this story and the conclusions they may draw from it.

This follows the de jure vs. de facto hypothesis of fundamental Church transformation: the pope (and his ideological fellows) changes as much as possible through insinuation and indirect action. Everything is plausibly deniable or can be contextually explained away. But everyone hears that there is a new practice. They begin to act in kind. I have little doubt some divorced and remarried Catholics, seeing the handwriting on the wall, have already taken it upon themselves to present themselves for communion, feeling certain in their hearts that the pope himself is okay with this. What starts as an abuse may become an indult or pastoral discretionary provision, and later, just the norm.

Just like communion in the hand.

And like communion in the hand, this will not only cause a great many sacrilegious acts to occur, but it will erode still further the belief in the Real Presence until such superstitious nonsense (as it will no doubt be looked upon) will be nothing but an unhappy memory.

If I’m right about any of this, you have to give him credit. It’s a remarkably effective end run around the requirements of indefectibility. Change praxis sufficiently and doctrine becomes irrelevant.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: adultery; divorcecommunion; francis; phone
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To: ebb tide

What if, what if, what if. I’ve wasted enough time on you. There are none so blind as those who will not see. I know it’s hard for you to admit that you’re wrong. Good night, sweet dreams.


121 posted on 04/26/2014 9:36:55 PM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: murron

Out of the blue, you’ve turned a phone call into the Sacrament of Confession.

Yet, you claim a priest cannot counter the penitent if she’s lying about receiving absolution to continue in adultery.


122 posted on 04/26/2014 9:44:28 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: murron

How often do you call in to confess your sins?


123 posted on 04/26/2014 9:50:54 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

I think you should clarify what reference you are making in this post to anything that I said in my post to you.


124 posted on 04/26/2014 9:54:24 PM PDT by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Beautifully stated response - thanks for the time and effort to get into such detail.


125 posted on 04/27/2014 1:25:21 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: trebb; St_Thomas_Aquinas

Thank you for calling my attention to this post (#30). Yes, it is beautifully stated.

An added note; the Summa of St. Thomas Aquinas is a treasure.


126 posted on 04/27/2014 4:56:32 AM PDT by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
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To: ebb tide

I don’t want to make any presumptions about the meaning of this post.

However, I find some of your posts to be very unfortunate. I feel a great sadness reading about our Pope being “sneaky”, and the many other accusations made against him that I’ve read on this forum...from Catholics, no less.

In a court of civil law, some of the things Pope Francis has been accused of by certain posters on this forum would be considered slander (that which is written for public consumption). The only qualifier here is that the person writing the accusations is doing so under a “screen” name, therefore enjoying the privilege of anonymity. There is one problem, though, with that assumed anonymity; nothing is anonymous to our Heavenly Father, and to his Divine Son who told us that “all that is hidden will be revealed.” God has full knowledge of hearts (both those of the accused and the accuser) and nothing is hidden from Him.

Uncharitable thoughts are apparent to Him-—those uncharitable thoughts that spring from a lack of charity and form the basis for rash judgments and those rash judgments spring from a lack of certain knowledge about the inner movements of the mind and heart of another person.

That is what is called rash judgment and this is what St. Jean Vianney had to say about rash judgment:
“”The reason for so many rash judgments is that they are considered to be of little importance; nevertheless, if it is a question of grave matter, they can lead to the committing of grave sin.”

Then there is this beautiful reminder from one of our wonderful early Church Fathers, St. John Chrystotom: “The disciples bore testimony to the Resurrection not only with their words but also with their virtues.”

How important it is to pray—sincerely and with true charity—for our Pope, believing, as we should, that God is in control of His Church and that the Holy Spirit knows what He is doing.

“The Lord himself will fight for you; you only need to keep still”. Exodus 14:14


127 posted on 04/27/2014 5:41:42 AM PDT by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
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To: Running On Empty

It’s not slander if it’s true. And the Pope remains silent.


128 posted on 04/27/2014 7:01:30 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

IF is a pivotal word.
And silence tells nothing.

I believe that many of the unseemly rash judgments offered about Pope Francis on this forum are slanderous in nature and could bear bad fruit.


129 posted on 04/27/2014 7:58:29 PM PDT by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
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To: Running On Empty
Slander, gossip, calumny -- which one is it?

SLANDER

 

Detraction. Essentially slander is verbal defamation of a person's character, although it may be either spoken or written. It also implies suffering or positive harm done to the victim of slander. In popular language calumny is a form of slander. (Etym. Latin scandalum, stumbling block, offense.)

All items in this dictionary are from Fr. John Hardon's Modern Catholic Dictionary, © Eternal Life. Used with permission.

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CALUMNY

 

Injuring another person's good name by lying. It is doubly sinful, in unjustly depriving another of his good name and in telling an untruth. Since calumny violates justice, it involves the duty of making reparation for the foreseen injury inflicted. Hence the calumniator must try, not only to repair the harm done to another's good name, but also to make up for any foreseen temporal loss that resulted from the calumny, for example, loss of employment or customers. (Etym. Latin calumnia, a false accusation, malicious charge; from calvi, to deceive.)

All items in this dictionary are from Fr. John Hardon's Modern Catholic Dictionary, © Eternal Life. Used with permission.

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GOSSIP

 

Idle talk, especially about others. The morality of gossip is determined by the degree to which time is wasted in useless conversation, by the failure in justice or charity committed against others, and by the damage done to people's reputation by those who gossip.

All items in this dictionary are from Fr. John Hardon's Modern Catholic Dictionary, © Eternal Life. Used with permission.


130 posted on 04/27/2014 8:19:01 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Running On Empty; ebb tide

Lisbona’s claim is in line with public comments Francis himself has made regarding Orthodox theology and Cardinal Kasper’s theology and thus has the ring of truth. It’s hardly “rash judgement” or “slanderous” to react to the Pope’s own remarks. It’s naive to assume he doesn’t mean what he said because we may not like it. Seems slanderous to accuse those who take him at his own word of calumny, slander, and gossip.


VATICAN CITY (CNS) — When Pope Francis spoke to journalists about the need for a stronger Catholic pastoral approach to marriage and to divorced people, he made a parenthetical reference to how the Orthodox churches handle the breakup of marriages differently.

“The Orthodox have a different practice,” he told reporters July 28 during his flight back to Rome from Rio de Janeiro. The Orthodox “follow the theology of ‘oikonomia’ (economy or stewardship), as they call it, and give a second possibility; they permit” a second marriage.

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1303358.htm


POPE FRANCIS
“Yesterday, before falling asleep, though not to fall asleep, I read, or re-read, Cardinal Kasper’s remarks. I would like to thank him, because I found a deep theology, and serene thoughts in theology. It is nice to read serene theology. It did me well and I had an idea, and excuse me if I embarrass Your Eminence, but the idea is: this is called doing theology while kneeling. Thank you. Thank you.”

http://www.romereports.com/pg155863-pope-francis-expresses-support-for-cardinal-kasper-s-serene-theology-on-the-family—en


131 posted on 04/28/2014 6:50:40 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Running On Empty
And silence tells nothing.

No; silence, in this case, speaks volumes.

132 posted on 04/29/2014 7:28:49 PM PDT by ebb tide
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