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‘Makes Christianity Look Silly’: Creationist Ken Ham Unleashes on Pat Robertson
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| May 15, 2014
| Billy Hallowell
Posted on 05/16/2014 12:34:41 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: LearsFool
I never said that I didn’t acknowledge God, did I? In which thread # did you read that?
To: redhawk.44mag
When you suggest that men wrote the Bible, and that what He says are miracles really aren’t, you’re calling God a liar.
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posted on
05/16/2014 8:39:28 AM PDT
by
LearsFool
("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
To: LearsFool
To: 2ndDivisionVet; Gamecock
On the contrary. If God’s word is untrue regarding the creation, it is untrustworthy on every other point.
Vestments and pew cushions are inventions of men, and have no bearing on the veracity of the Scriptures. Quibbling over them is pointless.
God’s word, on the other hand, is deserving of scrutiny - and will survive it unscathed. Not only that, but the exercise itself increases faith in Him. (Like a witness who endures cross-examination, and his testimony comes through as reliable and trustworthy.)
Consider “doubting” Thomas: He demanded to be able to examine Jesus’ wounds. And when HE was convinced, that gives even greater weight to the eye-witness testimony preserved for us.
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posted on
05/16/2014 8:53:19 AM PDT
by
LearsFool
("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
To: 2nd Amendment
Why is Ken Ham propping up his business partner Bill Nye?
To: okkev68
Nice post, but...
“Only that man has been here partaking in Gods creation for 6000 years.”
I don’t think it says that either.
If this were of importance it would be spelled out quite clearly and unequivocally.
To: 2ndDivisionVet
How long was a day to God in his time frame? Maybe a billion years?
So why can’t Ken Ham believe the earth is 6 billion years old?
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posted on
05/16/2014 9:16:45 AM PDT
by
hattend
(Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
To: LearsFool
1. In theory you get a person to agree on the 6,000 year old earth without getting them to Jesus.
2. Not believing in the literal creation story won't keep a believer out of the Kingdom.
3. A person can be brought to saving faith in Jesus without believing the creation story is 7 literal days. Seen it happen.
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posted on
05/16/2014 10:01:13 AM PDT
by
Gamecock
(#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
To: Gamecock
Is God’s account of creation of no use then?
(I know you believe otherwise. I just want you to consider why God put it in the Scriptures, and why it’s important for us to believe Him.)
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posted on
05/16/2014 10:22:50 AM PDT
by
LearsFool
("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
To: stormhill
I have long thought that God called it done when His Word was upon the earth in Mans mind. A falling tree etc...
But as the Author of Time the flow of it is subject to his Hand. It does what He tells it to do. Our view of it is foreshortened by our perspective.
The time in a digital sound file is a function of the clock used...44.1k, 88k, 1,000,000k...The sound recorded, however, isn’t any longer or shorter.
The only relevance any of this has is Faith.
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posted on
05/16/2014 12:09:59 PM PDT
by
TalBlack
(Evil doesn't have a day job.)
To: exDemMom
Like most creationism evangelists, Ken Ham preys on the gullible for the money. Between his website (and on-line store) and his museum, Im sure that he is living quite comfortably. I have to agree with Pat Robertson here: young earth creationism makes Christians look really bad. God actually did *not* lie to us by filling the physical universe with evidence of great age and planting evidence that life not only evolved in the past but continues to evolve. Since God is not a liar, it is clear: the Bible is a moral code, not a scientific document. Questions a Christian must consider in this issue: 1) Is God capable of creating the earth and all we know in any amount of time He desires? Six nanoseconds, six minutes, six days, etc
2) If God is not capable of doing the events noted in Genesis 1, then He is not capable of doing anything else in the Bible. This would also require the nullification of Cross. 3) The last part is the real goal of people who deny God the ability to create ex nihilo.
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posted on
05/16/2014 1:06:14 PM PDT
by
ealgeone
(obama, borderof)
To: G Larry
Well....except for his belief that he continues to peddle the notion that on the first day etc. actually refers to a single day, when quite clearly the Bible later explains that to God a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day. This is one of the worst distortions of the Bible there is and is a bad case of reading something into the Bible which is not supported by the text.
In Genesis 1 where day is preceded by an ordinal number it means a 24 hour day as we understand it.
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posted on
05/16/2014 1:08:41 PM PDT
by
ealgeone
(obama, borderof)
To: okkev68
That is precisely the point and why I get irritated with the 6K earthers. I am strong believer in Christ and the Bible and still believe the Earth is millions of our years old. Nowhere in the Bible does it say the earth is only 6000 years old. Only that man has been here partaking in Gods creation for 6000 years. At the end of the day it doesnt really matter, though. Are you a new creation in Christ or not? If not, you have bigger problems than how old the Earth is.
If you can't believe Genesis 1 as a literal event or that the earth is a young earth then:
Does it matter how many days involving the crucifixtion? Did Christ really rise on the third day?
Did Jesus really heal the blind man or cure the man with leprosy?
If the genealogies we have in the OT are correct, then the Bible does indicate a young earth.
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posted on
05/16/2014 1:15:30 PM PDT
by
ealgeone
(obama, borderof)
To: LearsFool
On the contrary. If Gods word is untrue regarding the creation, it is untrustworthy on every other point. EXCELLENT POINT!
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posted on
05/16/2014 1:16:52 PM PDT
by
ealgeone
(obama, borderof)
To: redhawk.44mag
What’s a “dragon”?
When were “dinosaurs” first called that?
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posted on
05/16/2014 1:18:36 PM PDT
by
MrB
(The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
To: Gamecock
1. In theory you get a person to agree on the 6,000 year old earth without getting them to Jesus. 2. Not believing in the literal creation story won't keep a believer out of the Kingdom. 3. A person can be brought to saving faith in Jesus without believing the creation story is 7 literal days. Seen it happen. Then how can that person believe in a literal resurrection?
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posted on
05/16/2014 1:18:45 PM PDT
by
ealgeone
(obama, borderof)
To: Zuriel
The atheist creation story:
“In the beginning, there was nothing, and it exploded”
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posted on
05/16/2014 1:19:39 PM PDT
by
MrB
(The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
To: redhawk.44mag
So essentially, there is no proof that anyones sins have been forgiven? Other than the written Word of God??
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posted on
05/16/2014 1:21:29 PM PDT
by
ealgeone
(obama, borderof)
To: DouglasKC
I have to agree with Pat Robertson here: young earth creationism makes Christians look really bad. God actually did *not* lie to us by filling the physical universe with evidence of great age and planting evidence that life not only evolved in the past but continues to evolve. Since God is not a liar, it is clear: the Bible is a moral code, not a scientific document. I agree with Robertson as to the earth being more than 6000 years old...and the bible actually allows for it! Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Gen 1:2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. In verse 2 the words "without form" and void" are a a couple of hebrew words tohu and bohu. The grammar leaves open that it could be translated "The earth became without form and void". In other words, there was a earth that existed prior to this and something caused it become desolate. There's similar wording in Jeremiah: Jer 4:23 I beheld the earth, and indeed it was without form, and void; And the heavens, they had no light.
The same words tohu and bohu are used and this is describing the state of the world in a warning to Israel if they don't repent. Also there are events described in the bible that must take place before man was created....such as the fall of Satan and the other third of the angels. Since Satan was in the garden before Adam and Eve sinned he must have fallen at some point before then. this is the Gap Theory and it is not supported from a Biblical perspective.
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posted on
05/16/2014 1:22:41 PM PDT
by
ealgeone
(obama, borderof)
To: ealgeone
Are you aware of the evidences for a young creation?
Or have you just been exposed to information to the contrary as I was for 30+ years?
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posted on
05/16/2014 1:24:39 PM PDT
by
MrB
(The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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