Posted on 05/23/2014 7:05:24 PM PDT by delchiante
Pope Francis privately visited the Basilica of St. Mary Major in Rome this morning to pray and entrust to the Virgin Mary his pilgrimage to the Holy Land. After 15 minutes of meditation and prayer before the image of Mary known as Salus Populi Romani, Pope Francis offered a bouquet of white and yellow roses at the feet of the Virgin. Since the beginning of his papal ministry in March 2013, this is the eighth visit Pope Francis has made to the Virgin Mary, under whose protection he has placed his pontificate. Speaking to Vatican Radio, the archpriest of the basilica, Spanish Cardinal Santos Abril y Castello, explained that Pope Francis sees Mary as a maternal guide and inspiration for his actions.
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Sorry. No hole.
See eastsider’s wonderful treatise.
He augments the point I made earlier with his scholarly treatment of the subject.
It would be good for you to do a word study on “grace” - for two reasons:
So that you can rightly divide the word of truth (2 Tim 2:15) and second, so that you might see what God’s grace does to restore a sinner’s position. You will learn that it is entirely His work. Not ours.
It is by grace that I was saved.
The truth is hard to receive after being deceived for so long.
You can’t peddle your lies on me.
I have no interest in peddling anything with you. I equally have no interest in listening to your heretical beliefs about the Virgin Mary.
So now I am totally confused. Are you agreeing with Catholic theology or not? Kinsman’s responses made me think you do not.
I recently learned that this Greek word is a hapax legomenon, since there are no examples of its use in literature prior to the Annunciation.
Chaire kecharitomene. "Hail, Full of Grace," we translate it. In Latin, following the venerable St. Jerome's translation known as the Vulgate, it is Ave, gratia plena.Anyway, your post got me googling, and I found this in one of John Paul II 's addresses.The word that Luke uses--κεχαριτωμένη, kecharitomene--appears to have been crafted out of thin air, appearing into the Greek vocabulary as unexpectedly as the Angel Gabriel appeared to Mary and as silently as the Word became Flesh. It was the word for the moment.
The word is used nowhere else in the Scriptures or in secular Greek literature. The technical name for such a novel, unique word is hapax legomenon. Hapax legomenon--which comes to us from Greek--means "expressed once."
This sort of word is sometimes also referred to as a nonce word. In this case, it is a one-of-a-kind word for a one-of-a-kind person in a one-of-a-kind situation. No one else in human history is κεχαριτωμένη (kecharitomene).
Though a nonce word, it is not nonsensical. Grammatically, the word kecharitomene is the feminine present perfect passive voice participle of a verb, specifically, the Greek verb χαριτόω (charitóō). In the passive voice, the verb means to have been made graceful, to have been endowed with grace.
The Greek verb charitóō is itself a little scarce in Scripture. Other than its unusual form in Luke 1:28, it is used by St. Paul in his epistle to the Ephesians. Here we read St. Paul use it for the redeemed sinner: "for the praise of the glory of his grace that he granted (ἐχαρίτωσεν, echaristōsen) us in the beloved."
Here, the word charitóō is in what is known as its aorist active indicative form, obviously an entirely different form from Luke 1:28. So though the root verb (charitóō) is the same in Luke 1:28 and Ephesians 1:6, the words are used in entirely different tenses, voices, and senses. The only commonality, it seems, is sanctifying grace.
BLESSED VIRGIN WAS FILLED WITH GOD’S GRACE
Pope John Paul II...The expression "full of grace" is the translation of the Greek word kecharitoméne, which is a passive participle. Therefore to render more exactly the nuance of the Greek word one should not say merely "full of grace", but "made full of grace", or even "filled with grace", which would clearly indicate that this was a gift given by God to the Blessed Virgin. This term, in the form of a perfect participle, enhances the image of a perfect and lasting grace which implies fullness. The same verb, in the sense of "to bestow grace", is used in the Letter to the Ephesians to indicate the abundance of grace granted to us by the Father in his beloved Son (Eph 1:6), and which Mary receives as the first fruits of Redemption (cf. Redemptoris Mater, n. 10).
Excellent post. Thanks!
Your remark re. the Garden and Mary reminds me of the contrasts we
Find in 1 Cor 15:45 ff. and Rom 5:12.
Now, may I ask you to declare: What efficacy is there in intercessory prayer - other that through Jesus Christ?
I hope your computer problems are in the past because I look forward to your reply.
In His grace,
KR
One question, Old Yeller: Do you believe Jesus Christ is God?
The Bible software I use has hundreds of other translations ...
Do I pass your test?
I think that Old Yeller is saying that Jesus is fully God and fully man. As a man, He has a mother, Mary. As God, He is eternal, the alpha and omega, with no beginning and no end. That means that Mary is the mother of Jesus the person, but not the mother of God. Right?
You are correct ... the Acts passage actually explicitly charges that Stephen was full of grace (πλήρης χάριτος - Acts 6:8)
Whereas ... Luke 1:28 the word is κεχαριτωμένη - a perfect passive participle of χαριτόω meaning to bestow favor on, favor highly, or bless. With the force of the imperative used as a greeting ... it simply means "Greetings, favored one ... the Lord is with you"
The Acts passage is the much clearer of the two instances.
So I assume this was what you were going to argue right?
Wrong.
No, you don’t pass.
Same here, born Catholic, baptized in a Southern Baptist Church in my early 30s. I dislike the term Protestant, maybe because growing up there was a girl in my class whose mother was Anglican and the nuns forbade us from even talking to her. I never understood what was wrong with her, other than she was a (whisper) Protestant. But between you and me, she did not have horns, or a tail, or a fork. She was just a very sad little girl. Anyhow, my husband-to-be took me to his church one weekend and I knew I had finally found Jesus!
Can you explain then? Mary was the mother of Jesus, but like Old Yeller was saying, God has existed forever, He is the Creator not the creature.
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It was not made in a derogatory sense. I just know two things.
First, you don’t have the entire Bible if you are using the KJV.
Secondly, because I have never owned or perused a KJV, I have no idea about the footnotes.
Catholic Bibles have approved footnotes that have been there by scripture scholars. Study bibles have even more.
BTW, if you are a baptized Catholic you will ALWAYS be a Catholic. Your baptismal mark does not go away. Were you also confirmed in the Catholic Church?
Apparently modern scholarship doesn't pass your test either ... as the NASB is one of the most accurate translations available today, being based on the oldest manuscripts in existence.
I'll go with the scholarship myself ...
But you're free to read the translation of your choice.
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