Posted on 05/31/2014 12:06:01 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
You only assume my lack of internalizing because I don't agree with you. :o) How presumptuous of you.
If there were THAT many pastors protesting it would make the news. I watch the news a lot and there hasn't been a WHISPER of it. And our media DO love to trash religion, in any way, shape or form.
I find that so odd, that he, a Protestant reformer, should have stayed so connected to the Roman Catholic Church. God does work in mysterious ways, doesn't He?
Would that be true even if those pathetic sinners THOUGHT they were doing right? Or is the truism "the road to hell paved with good intentions" appropriate here?
What about "love the sinner" and "hate the sin"??
You're suggesting we should love Satan? I'm having a hard time figuring out what you are trying to say here. Are you accusing most Christians of "hating the sinner" and being hypocritical because, while every born again Christian must recognize that we all sin, they do not want to reward unrepentant gays and lesbians with the idea that the behavior is not a sin?
RE: Italics.
Got the html codes and BB codes mixed up....was bouncing back and forth on two different forums/platforms last night.
Fr. Wesley was first and foremost a Priest of the Church of England, and remained one until his last breath...son of a Priest, also.
The Wesleys were always Anglican clergymen. It was their followers that formed Methodism and broke it away from the church of England
THANK you for the information.
Thank you.
BOUNCE AWAY, o lightman!
Almost but not completely correct. The Wesleyan "societies" were envisioned to operate in coordination with the services of the Church of England (C of E), never in competition. In fact, in England the Methodist societies and class meetings were deliberately schedule so as not to conflict with the liturgies of the C of E.
The problem was that the societies in the American colonies needed oversight, and the C of E refused to Ordain presbyters to provide that leadership. So in 1784 John Wesley took it upon himself as a Priest--not a Bishop--to Ordain missionary presbyters Thomas Coke and Francis Asbury to oversee the societies in America.
It probably had more to do with post-Revolution politics than with ecclesiology; but the the result was poor ecclesiology and a further weakening of the apostolic ministry.
Anglican orders were already deficient and the irregular ordiantions augmented the deficiency among "the people called 'Methodist'".
lightman:
Ok, thanks for the clarification. I new the Methodist movement came out of the church of England [Anglican] but was not sure quite how the split occurred or what caused it.
Prove it (you can't).
St. Peter was NOT a Protestant, neither was St. Paul.
Neither were they Romanists.
In fact, St. Peter was the first VICAR of Christ, appointed by Jesus to "go teach all nations."
Prove it (you can't).
Peter did go to Rome, at Paul's request, and there Peter died, martyred, crucified UPSIDE down, as he did not feel that he "deserved" to die at his Savior did.
Prove it (you can't).
You KNOW, of course, where he was crucified, on VATICAN HILL, an already existing hill in Rome. Inside the Vatican Church, behind the very front-most altar (There are MANY!), in their museum is a smallish box, obviously hermetically sealed now, labeled: HERE LIES PETER. I don't expect that too much is left of the FIRST VICAR of Christ, but his remains are there where he died.
Prove it (you can't).
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