Posted on 06/02/2014 3:21:30 PM PDT by NYer
Is there a difference? The snake guys think they have Biblical references too.
Perhaps the question you should be asking is why your faith in Christ is not superstitious? If one's going to be an atheist about the Faith, might as well go all the way.
So, what are you getting at? When someone writes that Scripture is not the only source of “Divine Revelation”, what is it that this is intended to tell us about transubstantiation? You have found it supported elsewhere? You have found it supported in the Bible, but you don’t think the Bible is Scripture? You found it supported in a Catholic theologian’s book and that is as good as Scripture? Help us out here.
What I'm getting it is I reject the entire notion that the nature of the discussion is Catholic Doctrine vs. Scripture. That's the false dichotomy of the protesant movement. Protestants amputate half of the Deposit of the Faith when they use sola scriptura as the sole rule of faith and reject the oral tradition of the Apostles. Which they have no scriptural warrant to do, by the way.
So if you want support for Transubstantian from Sacred Scripture then you accede to Sacred Tradition.
I have a better idea...just give up the Roman dream. You guys have the kookiest organization around. First, they claim that the support for their organization is based on Scripture, then backpedal and say, "Well, the Scripture has given us carte blanche authority to make up stuff we want to believe...irrespective of Scripture. How do we know this? Scripture!!! And, now we believe our Tradition eclipses the Scripture." Huh? There's a self-justifying pile of warm material if one has eyes to see.
Leave the dream world of Rome and come back to the Book. It does not support half of the junk Rome sells. Go read the text...your claims ain't there.
“If Scripture says the Church is the pillar and foundation of Truth, why do you look for Truth outside of the church?”
The church is a pillar, meant to hold up the truth. It is a foundation to support the truth. The truth is God’s Word. The church isn’t the truth.
Why would I? I have Christ, the Apostles, the Scriptures, Tradition, Sacraments and 2,000 years of Church teaching and preaching on my side.
Why would I give that up for the wilderness of mirrors that is protestant fundamentalism? There is no harmony. There is no peace to be found in sola scriptura. The only thing there is the self-delusion that I have been inspired by the Holy Sprit to know the Truths of the Faith and in thinking so calling the Holy Spirit a schitzophrenic. No Thanks, I know what happens when people blaspheme the Holy Spirit.
You want to do yourself some good? Then put your faith in Christ and not in yourself.
Yeah, except that is not what Scripture says. This is my body really doesn't mean this is my body. You know better than Scripture.
Your man-made beliefs trump the clear words of Scripture. But Scripture is infalliable. Except when it doesn't mean what you want it to mean.
Scripture says the Church is THE pillar. You say this means the church is A pillar.
What gives you the right to change the clear words of Scripture to support your man-made beliefs?
Seriously, try reading the actual words of Scripture, not through the lens of your made up beliefs.
She was human, was she not? Ergo, she was as sinner, like ALL humans since Adam. Was she still chosen by God for His Purpose? Yes, she was. She obviously was devout, but as human, a sinner.
So, a sinner saved by Grace.
I wish you would do as you say.
This is my body. This is my son. The Church is the pillar and foundation of truth.
All clear words of 'the book' that you deny.
You are delusional. Your man-made beliefs trump Scripture
“Scripture says the Church is THE pillar. You say this means the church is A pillar. “
Please excuse my lack of clarity.
My whole point is that Scripture does not say the church itself is the truth. It is the pillar and foundation of that truth, when it does its job.
No the exception is whether your church is 'THE Church', as you declare, without any proof whatsoever. If it is not 'THE Church', then all else you declare along with it must surely crumble into dust.
"You are delusional."
If God permits the scales to fall, let us know.
We shall see when this is all over who recognized the Scriptural teachings of Christ and who was bound with the monstrosity of Rome.
Yes.
Ergo, she was as sinner, like ALL humans since Adam.
No. Our Blessed Mother was full of sanctifying grace from the moment of her conception until her Assumption into heaven. She was protected by God from the stain of Original Sin as a special grace of Christ.
Christ observes the 4th commandment to honor His mother. He does this perfectly as Jesus was perfect. Which is why Mary was full of grace.
Yes we will. And I'm afraid what we will hear is, "[Insert Name Here], [Insert Name here], why do you persecute Me?
The Catholic Church is Christ.
“No. Our Blessed Mother was full of sanctifying grace from the moment of her conception until her Assumption into heaven. She was protected by God from the stain of Original Sin as a special grace of Christ. “
Opinion.
You made 4 claims, none revealed in God’s inspired Word.
“The Catholic Church is Christ. “
Idolatry. Perversion of the image of God.
I'm not responsible for your bastardized understanding of scripture. Take it up with the "Reformers"
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