Skip to comments.Catholic and libertarian? Pope’s top adviser says they’re incompatible
Posted on 06/04/2014 7:58:25 AM PDT by Biggirl
WASHINGTON Taking direct aim at libertarian policies promoted by many American conservatives, the Honduran cardinal who is one of Pope Francis top advisers said Tuesday (June 3) that todays free market system is a new idol that is increasing inequality and excluding the poor.
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Funny no criticism of libertarian social policy. Tells you where their priorities are.
Anyone still think this guy isn’t a communist?
Critical thinking and the Church hierarchy are incompatible.
This is news?
Just a reminder of despite being a Catholic feel lucky this country was colonized at the beginning mainly by Protestants.
Capitalism has uplifted many millions of people from poverty and slavery. What exactly has socialism and statism ever accomplished?
As a Catholic, my blood boils when I hear this type of crap coming from Church leaders.
“todays free market system is a new idol that is increasing inequality and excluding the poor.”
If that is the case then they shouldn’t want any money made through the free market system. Remember that when they ask for money.
I guess he must have confused the free market with our system of crony capitalism.
I don’t understand how Francis being from Argentina it escapes him that statism/facsism whatever you call it caused Argentina to fall from one of the richest countries in the world around 1900 on par with the US and the European economic powerhouses to a economic basket case. Now you have this prelate from Honduras not exactly a hallmark of Angloshpere political-economic institutions
On economic and political matters, the previous couple of popes were weaned on the struggle against communism in Europe. Francis, however, seems to be an Argentine populist. Quite a reversal.
I’ll not be lectured about the morality of my political views by an organization that covered up it’s buggering of little kids for decades.
Luckily, I never aspired to be Pope!
One of the gifts God gave us was free will, and a free market is a manifestation of that. To dismiss that is to say that individuals cannot and should not be trusted to make their own decisions. Collectivism runs contrary to God.
Like most liberals, this guy sounds like he’s shifted his faith from God to government.
Good question. It might be a cultural thing. I’m a Catholic, but I have a good healthy respect for the Protestant work ethic. The Catholic Church is a gigantic bureaucracy with massive power concentrated at the top, just the type of government we conservatives oppose. The Democrat Party is this country also heavily Catholic.
Max Weber wrote a book about that, :)
And the church-blessed feudalism was so much more compassionate to the poor during that 600 year golden age called The Dark Ages.
Protestant developed capitalism has done more to ease poverty in this world than anything popes have done.
And I’m not a Protestant.
And teachers haven’t?
Priests are way down on the list after
So if your child has a family member who teaches mid high or high school subjects, coaches the girl’s ———— team and is the Youth Minister at the non-Catholic Church — watch out.
As I said above...priests are way down at the bottom of that list.
This Pope is a Socialist. It’s sad, but he is very misguided if he thinks he can judge capitalism by Argentinean standards.
I had hope for this pope but he is quite a dope.
Confusing means, with ends.
Robust capitalism, with robust PRIVATE charity, with robust faith, is about as close to utopia as we can hope to get on this sinful earth.
Good... how about letting Christ do it instead of “an organization”?
European was developing capitalism way before the Protestant Reformation. One can cite such developments as double entry bookkeeping, letters of exchange and other forms of credit, modern banking, for example, the Medici and Fuggers. The most capitalistic place in Europe could of be Northern Italy and the remained Catholic post-Reformation.
Argentina might be a warning of what capitalism sans faith will look like.
Capitalism can live arm in arm with faith and private charity. That way we can affirm that the worker is worth his wages, and that we put our hope in the fullness of God, and that we carry out His works of love and mercy. These principles are in tension but not bluntly contradictory. Without an orderly market, how do you hope to have something to help the poor with?
Whether or not they want to admit it, the various segments of the church have proved God’s opportunities for influencing the other segments to the good. Splits grieve God, but they don’t stop His plan. He already planned for this situation.
Like drilling a hole in your life boat because it’s not a space ship.
Quite correct - and those causes are the shackling of the creative potential of the world's people by statism.
This is a fruits vs. roots issue. Carnegie, Vanderbilt, Rockefeller, Ford etc showed what capitalism can do.
I know. When I saw the headline I assumed that was the argument that he was going to make. But if all he talked about was the fiscal angle - he's basically showing that he's a closet commie (or not so closeted), and he believes Big Government should exist to confiscate and redistribute wealth. In other words he wants to turn Big Government into a god.
Forgive my post to you. I must learn to read. You had it right.
I cringed when I heard Jesuit and Argentina. I hoped I was wrong, but history serves.
That’s right...priests are way down on the list so that makes it okay! Oooh, look...something shiny!
Christ wasn’t diddling little boys, so I agree he is better qualified.
As a Catholic, I always feel very lucky that nothing the Pope says in this area can ever be considered infallible, because, IMHO, it’s always very fallible.
Statist-coerced - as opposed to private-charitable - redistribution of wealth is a Catholic ideal?
‘Passing the trash’
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I’m not Catholic and I’m not libertarian. But what the Cardinal is talking about here is neither Catholic NOR libertarian.
He is just parrotting the Pope’s redistrubtion message which - as I say - is not a true Catholic or libertarian agenda.
It Socialism. And the muckety-mucks in Rome had better shut up.
It may be incompatible with libertarians, but obviously not Socialism, other wise why would 52 percent of them vote for Obama?
There are to points that make me beware of libertarians, that is their view that the Government should not interfere with gay marriage and that a woman has the right to do what she wants with her body.
I believe any one should have the right to do what they want with their body but not another body, which is the baby.
I have no problem with the rest of the libertarian view that I am familiar with.
“Libertarian” and “Communist” aren’t the only two choices.
True. There’s socialist, antichrist and a few others.
But again, why do such subjects capture your mind?
I for instance just answered a bunch of questions (Pew research's quiz on political typology) and found out I'm a "Disaffected" --- along with 11% of the general public.
Seriously...? 2 calories spent making a post does not equal “mind capture.” It’s the internet. Posts about cats probably have more sway with me than anything some club has to say about anything.
You doubled down on it.
And you keep coming back for more and accusing me of being fixated.
Liberation theology has permeated the catholic church for some.time.
Remember the catholics.are.some.of the strongest proponents of socialized.medicine.
My guess is that we'd have to answer that question in order to evaluate what he's saying.
Without definitions, we're just expounding vehemently on nothing in particular.
“Without definitions, we’re just expounding vehemently on nothing in particular.”
Very true. So many people think that the mercantilist system we have now, an oligarchy of business and government, is correctly termed “capitalism” or a free market.
Eisenhower was almost right. However, instead of a “military industrial complex” we have a government/commerce complex.
That system can be justly criticized on a number of grounds; however, calling it “capitalism” leaves only one avenue of escape—leftism, and the slavery that inevitably follows.
We should see two avenues of escape, both the false one of socialism and the true one of capitalism and a free market.