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Catholic and libertarian? Pope’s top adviser says they’re incompatible
The Washington Post ^ | June 4, 2014 | David Gibson

Posted on 06/04/2014 7:58:25 AM PDT by Biggirl

WASHINGTON — Taking direct aim at libertarian policies promoted by many American conservatives, the Honduran cardinal who is one of Pope Francis’ top advisers said Tuesday (June 3) that today’s free market system is “a new idol” that is increasing inequality and excluding the poor.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: economy; libertarian; pope
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To: what's up

“Remember the catholics.are.some.of the strongest proponents of socialized.medicine.”

And, equally true, all Protestants are snake handlers, without exception.


51 posted on 06/04/2014 1:12:34 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Cato in PA; Biggirl; dsc
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I'm also talking about U.S. Chamber of Commerce types who are relentlessly bringing in more and more waves of foreign labor. It's not only landscapers, packinghouse workers, construction workers and farm labor, "Grapes of Wrath" style, but skilled labor that will work for half the American worker's wages at the same job.

This is capitalism, if you will -- minimizing costs, maximizing profits --- but it isn't what I would call honest free enterprise, and it's not good for the American community.

There's a great deal of crap that goes on under the name of "capitalism." If I oppose it, that doesn't make me a "socialist."

52 posted on 06/04/2014 1:56:51 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Department of Redundancy Department.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“I’m also talking about U.S. Chamber of Commerce types who are relentlessly bringing in more and more waves of foreign labor.”

But that’s not capitalism. That is collusion between commerce and government, as a result of which government is not enforcing our immigration laws. Both sides belong in jail.

“skilled labor that will work for half the American worker’s wages at the same job.”

True, but not a feature of capitalism. Even a libertarian like Mises said that government had a role to play in keeping the playing field level, but here they’re doing just the opposite.

“This is capitalism”

But it isn’t. It is mercantilism, the collaboration of commerce and government. Eisenhower warned of the military industrial complex, but his fears were too limited in scope. What we have is worse. The entire government is corrupt, and it looks like the entirety of corporate America as well.

“but it isn’t what I would call honest free enterprise, and it’s not good for the American community.”

You could not be more right. Capitalism, on the other hand, with reasonable government serving to prevent abuses, would be honest and good for America (within limits).

“There’s a great deal of crap that goes on under the name of “capitalism.”

Yes, under the name of capitalism. However, there’s a lot of confusion about what capitalism truly is.

The first thing to remember is that the word is a pejorative invented by the left to discredit and scorn the way people tend to do things when left to their own devices.

The role of government in capitalism is limited to the prevention of abuses, such as the use of illegal aliens for low-cost labor.

“If I oppose it, that doesn’t make me a “socialist.”

I didn’t mean to imply any such thing. I was trying to argue that the left, by conflating everything that is not socialism under the label of “capitalism,” seeks to convince low-information citizens (and aliens) that socialism is the only alternative to this horrible “capitalism” under which we toil.

Actually, capitalism and a free market would be a great alternative to what we have now. I’m confident you will agree, because I know you are not a leftist.


53 posted on 06/04/2014 2:50:28 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc

That was well-said, dsc. BTW, I was not accusing you for these misapaprehensions, nor did I take it that you were accusing me. I think we’re singing from the same page in the hymn book!


54 posted on 06/04/2014 3:43:42 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Without justice, what is the state but a great band of robbers?" - St. Augustine)
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To: Orangedog

If even a drunk (hypothetically, no admission implied here) told you that you had too much alcohol, wouldn’t you be wise to consider it?


55 posted on 06/04/2014 4:14:48 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Now we just need some way to get the attention of those singing from the anti-hymn book.


56 posted on 06/04/2014 5:15:27 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: C19fan

Indeed. We might’ve been more like South America otherwise.


57 posted on 06/04/2014 5:15:44 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: Salvation

that it was ‘way down the list’ as you claimed. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen elsewhere but the Catholic church has very dirty hands in this.


58 posted on 06/04/2014 5:53:37 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

But then we have the old adage of the pot calling the kettle black.


59 posted on 06/04/2014 6:49:59 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Orangedog

Take care of yourself or you’re the same.


60 posted on 06/05/2014 10:52:07 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: dsc
I didn't say all catholics pushed socialism.

I said they were some of the strongest proponents of socialized medicine. The US Bishops pushed it for years until the abortion mandate was included.

In comparison there are a few snake handlers around.

Your comparison is faulty.

61 posted on 06/05/2014 1:35:15 PM PDT by what's up (sun)
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To: Orangedog

Too bad your libertarianism has already gotten you zotted on another thread.


62 posted on 06/05/2014 2:14:18 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: what's up

“Your comparison is faulty.”

My statement is as true as yours.

There are fewer bishops than there are snake handlers.


63 posted on 06/05/2014 5:46:10 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Orangedog

“That’s right...priests are way down on the list so that makes it okay”

No, it doesn’t make it okay. Neither, however, is it right to use that stick to beat Catholics while giving everyone else a pass.


64 posted on 06/05/2014 5:49:29 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc
The bishops are far more influential than the snake handlers, politically and otherwise.

Untold numbers follow their lead. Not so with the snakers.

65 posted on 06/05/2014 9:25:58 PM PDT by what's up (sun)
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To: what's up

“The bishops are far more influential than the snake handlers, politically and otherwise.”

Hey, you said “the Catholics” support socialized medicine. I said all protestants are snake handlers. One statement is as true as the other, regardless of your perception of the influence of Catholic bishops.

“Untold numbers follow their lead.”

Really? Untold numbers? Hyperbole is not your friend here. My experience is that there are many more Catholics who oppose the rogue bishops on socialized medicine than who support them.


66 posted on 06/06/2014 12:23:51 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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