Skip to comments.Catholic and libertarian? Pope’s top adviser says they’re incompatible
Posted on 06/04/2014 7:58:25 AM PDT by Biggirl
WASHINGTON Taking direct aim at libertarian policies promoted by many American conservatives, the Honduran cardinal who is one of Pope Francis top advisers said Tuesday (June 3) that todays free market system is a new idol that is increasing inequality and excluding the poor.
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“Libertarian” and “Communist” aren’t the only two choices.
True. There’s socialist, antichrist and a few others.
But again, why do such subjects capture your mind?
I for instance just answered a bunch of questions (Pew research's quiz on political typology) and found out I'm a "Disaffected" --- along with 11% of the general public.
Seriously...? 2 calories spent making a post does not equal “mind capture.” It’s the internet. Posts about cats probably have more sway with me than anything some club has to say about anything.
You doubled down on it.
And you keep coming back for more and accusing me of being fixated.
Liberation theology has permeated the catholic church for some.time.
Remember the catholics.are.some.of the strongest proponents of socialized.medicine.
My guess is that we'd have to answer that question in order to evaluate what he's saying.
Without definitions, we're just expounding vehemently on nothing in particular.
“Without definitions, we’re just expounding vehemently on nothing in particular.”
Very true. So many people think that the mercantilist system we have now, an oligarchy of business and government, is correctly termed “capitalism” or a free market.
Eisenhower was almost right. However, instead of a “military industrial complex” we have a government/commerce complex.
That system can be justly criticized on a number of grounds; however, calling it “capitalism” leaves only one avenue of escape—leftism, and the slavery that inevitably follows.
We should see two avenues of escape, both the false one of socialism and the true one of capitalism and a free market.
“Remember the catholics.are.some.of the strongest proponents of socialized.medicine.”
And, equally true, all Protestants are snake handlers, without exception.
I'm also talking about U.S. Chamber of Commerce types who are relentlessly bringing in more and more waves of foreign labor. It's not only landscapers, packinghouse workers, construction workers and farm labor, "Grapes of Wrath" style, but skilled labor that will work for half the American worker's wages at the same job.
This is capitalism, if you will -- minimizing costs, maximizing profits --- but it isn't what I would call honest free enterprise, and it's not good for the American community.
There's a great deal of crap that goes on under the name of "capitalism." If I oppose it, that doesn't make me a "socialist."
“I’m also talking about U.S. Chamber of Commerce types who are relentlessly bringing in more and more waves of foreign labor.”
But that’s not capitalism. That is collusion between commerce and government, as a result of which government is not enforcing our immigration laws. Both sides belong in jail.
“skilled labor that will work for half the American worker’s wages at the same job.”
True, but not a feature of capitalism. Even a libertarian like Mises said that government had a role to play in keeping the playing field level, but here they’re doing just the opposite.
“This is capitalism”
But it isn’t. It is mercantilism, the collaboration of commerce and government. Eisenhower warned of the military industrial complex, but his fears were too limited in scope. What we have is worse. The entire government is corrupt, and it looks like the entirety of corporate America as well.
“but it isn’t what I would call honest free enterprise, and it’s not good for the American community.”
You could not be more right. Capitalism, on the other hand, with reasonable government serving to prevent abuses, would be honest and good for America (within limits).
“There’s a great deal of crap that goes on under the name of “capitalism.”
Yes, under the name of capitalism. However, there’s a lot of confusion about what capitalism truly is.
The first thing to remember is that the word is a pejorative invented by the left to discredit and scorn the way people tend to do things when left to their own devices.
The role of government in capitalism is limited to the prevention of abuses, such as the use of illegal aliens for low-cost labor.
“If I oppose it, that doesn’t make me a “socialist.”
I didn’t mean to imply any such thing. I was trying to argue that the left, by conflating everything that is not socialism under the label of “capitalism,” seeks to convince low-information citizens (and aliens) that socialism is the only alternative to this horrible “capitalism” under which we toil.
Actually, capitalism and a free market would be a great alternative to what we have now. I’m confident you will agree, because I know you are not a leftist.
That was well-said, dsc. BTW, I was not accusing you for these misapaprehensions, nor did I take it that you were accusing me. I think we’re singing from the same page in the hymn book!
If even a drunk (hypothetically, no admission implied here) told you that you had too much alcohol, wouldn’t you be wise to consider it?
Now we just need some way to get the attention of those singing from the anti-hymn book.
Indeed. We might’ve been more like South America otherwise.
that it was ‘way down the list’ as you claimed. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen elsewhere but the Catholic church has very dirty hands in this.
But then we have the old adage of the pot calling the kettle black.
Take care of yourself or you’re the same.