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Did Paul invent or hijack Christianity?
Madison Ruppert ^ | 06/24/2014

Posted on 06/24/2014 2:13:28 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: verga
For the record my only contention was that Boatbums apparent "one and done" theology was off base.

Since we're talking "on the record", how about you show where I espoused a theology of "one and done" (whatever the heck THAT means)?

1,181 posted on 07/12/2014 3:21:01 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: editor-surveyor
>> “What do you think “my” version of the Gospel is?” << . Wow! That’s easy. Powerful grace that can save one through the non-biblical “sinner’s prayer” without confession, repentance, and obedience to his commandments, and which salvation is irrevocable, in spite of faith that waxes cold when faced with the need for obedience. Kind of a free-lance roll yer own discipleship of great convenience. (since I spent much of my school years in independent study programs, I’ll grade myself, with an A+ with honors notation)

An A+, with honors, yet!? I'll bet you do. However, your grade was for articulating what I SAID was the gospel, not your combative, imaginative interpretation of what I said. There's a BIG difference. I grade you with an F - failure to even read what I have been stating on this thread, along with Scriptures to back me up, and a failure to defend your accursed gospel. There won't be a retest until and unless you open your heart to the truth. However, when you stand before the King of Glory, you can explain to Him why you rejected His grace and did it "your" way.

1,182 posted on 07/12/2014 3:33:57 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: af_vet_1981; Elsie
If they repented and obeyed the LORD, all seven are in heaven. Otherwise they are dead.

CHURCHES aren't in heaven. PEOPLE are.

FWIW, when you post Scripture verses, you really ought to include the references.

There are many of us who know them, but I'd say there are many more who are lurking who don't.

If someone wanted to read those passages in context or more thoroughly on their own, it would be a help to others to post the references so they could look them up.

1,183 posted on 07/12/2014 5:14:36 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: af_vet_1981; daniel1212
Who's mocking the Torah and the Jews?

The OT states that marital relations make men and women unclean.

Leviticus 15:16-18 “If a man has an emission of semen, he shall bathe his whole body in water and be unclean until the evening. And every garment and every skin on which the semen comes shall be washed with water and be unclean until the evening. If a man lies with a woman and has an emission of semen, both of them shall bathe themselves in water and be unclean until the evening.

Observing that the modern day Judaizers don't follow the Law they claim we must is not mocking Jews or the Torah.

1,184 posted on 07/12/2014 5:18:59 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Springfield Reformer

Beautifully done.


1,185 posted on 07/12/2014 5:23:12 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: af_vet_1981; Springfield Reformer; Elsie
SR: Um, as a third party observer who is extensively familiar with the poster known here as Elsie, and having traced back through your thread sequence with him/her as far as it goes, I have to say that there is a) no such statement from him as you have posted above, and b) knowing his/her posting history strongly suggests he/she would never in a million years write what you just said.

av: Oh, are you in favor of the ordination of women also? Which denomination/sect do you represent that supports the ordination of women ?

OK. Help me out here. Just what the heck does that conversation have to do with the ordination of women?

WHY on earth did you drag that into the discussion?

1,186 posted on 07/12/2014 5:28:06 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: boatbums

There is no scripture that backs up anything you have posted.

Your misunderstanding of scripture is the source of the confusion.

1John 2 is the clearly worded demolition of all you have posted.

Paul’s epistle to the Romans, and his epistle to the Hebrews, back John up to the hilt.
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1,187 posted on 07/12/2014 5:33:02 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: boatbums; af_vet_1981; Springfield Reformer

>> “When you contend that no one can have assurance of their eternal salvation until they die...” <<

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Strawman after strawman, when will the fallacy stop?

Assurance comes from enduring in faithful obedience to the end!

Anything less yields the reverse.

“The faith of many shall wax cold...”
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1,188 posted on 07/12/2014 5:39:08 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: af_vet_1981; Elsie; Springfield Reformer; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
Elsie, who is of Wesley, volunteered that unsolicited information and asked that I show any errors in his/her denomination which I proceeded to do.

Elsie, who you keep failing to courtesy ping when talking about him.

Elsie, who is of Jesus Christ.

This one sentence of yours shows so clearly what I keep saying about Catholics.

First off is that they cannot wrap their minds around the fact that we do not follow men, human leaders. And yet Catholics continually claim that we do that very thing. We follow Jesus.

Our identity is not in our denomination or who that denominations is named for, but our identity is in CHRIST, who died for us to save us from our sins. HE is the only one who can do that. No denomination has the power to save.

Which leads to the second point, that is that this is one of the primary reasons people do not share their denominational affiliation. The minute people do, Catholics, who LOVE their labels and will instantly pigeon hole anyone the minute they can, lay the whole weight of a denomination's teaching or practices on the shoulders of the individual and hold them accountable for the whole thing.

Than you for such a beautiful example of why not to share denominational affiliation.

1,189 posted on 07/12/2014 5:39:58 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: BlueDragon; Elsie

Rules for thee, exceptions for me.


1,190 posted on 07/12/2014 5:44:28 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Where would Christianity be without Paul? Seems to me that he was a tool used by the Big Puppeteer to assist taking the Good News to Gentiles...like me.


1,191 posted on 07/12/2014 6:06:58 PM PDT by stevem
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To: roamer_1

So what happens to someone who does not follow the Law as you see it?

Are they saved or not?


1,192 posted on 07/12/2014 6:24:53 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
So what happens to someone who does not follow the Law as you see it? Are they saved or not?

I answered you here.

It is not a matter of salvation. More a matter of obedience and love.

1Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
1Jn 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

1,193 posted on 07/12/2014 6:40:13 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: mitch5501
One could also argue (I'm speaking as a madman)that what Jesus did for us was an insanely desperate last ditch effort at RESCUING us from His perfect justice!

It's not speaking as a madman. It's beautifully put.

1,194 posted on 07/12/2014 6:43:26 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: narses

Do all Catholics agree on every point of Catholic doctrine?

Which is really a rhetorical question because we all know the answer to that.

The very thing that you claim invalidates sola Scriptura, also invalidates *sacred tradition* and your so-called *infallible magisterium*.


1,195 posted on 07/12/2014 6:45:11 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: boatbums

No replies yet?

Let me know if you ever get an answer to your question.

It’s been asked before and has had no takers.


1,196 posted on 07/12/2014 7:00:24 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

1,197 posted on 07/12/2014 7:01:51 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: boatbums

1,198 posted on 07/12/2014 7:02:31 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: Iscool
What if you lose the iphone while on the mountain??? Apparently you lose all contact with whoever it is you are praying to...

Staggering, isn't it?

1,199 posted on 07/12/2014 7:05:17 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: af_vet_1981; boatbums
bb:Why don't you explain what you think "my" version of the gospel is???

af:Pop quiz to help you explain what I think your version of the gospel is:

That is the most irrelevant response I have seen in a long time.

And just how does that litany of questions explain what you think her version of the gospel is?

All it is, is questions directed at her, deflecting the conversation away from what SHE asked.

1,200 posted on 07/12/2014 7:10:00 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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