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Second Opinion: The Catholic Church still does not get child abuse
The Irish Times ^ | 7/9/2014 | Jacky Jones

Posted on 07/11/2014 8:38:58 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne

The conviction of Rolf Harris is a reminder that child abuse is an abuse of power. The crime persists because perpetrators are not challenged and dealt with speedily by the criminal justice system. Children are still abused in Ireland every day.

(Excerpt) Read more at irishtimes.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: catholic; corruption; sexualabuse
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Money quote:

"The new chief executive officer, Teresa Devlin, hopes “that through the work of the National Board, children will be empowered [and] will influence safe practice”. This aspiration is nonsensical. It implies that children can prevent their own abuse."

This quote betrays the actual view of the Catholic Church: That it is the victims themselves who are to blame. Sort of like the rapist who blames the victim for being too alluring. Sick.

1 posted on 07/11/2014 8:38:58 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne
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To: Dr. Thorne
The bishops have NEVER recognized the homosexual abuse of youg boys for the intrinsic evil that it is. They all saw the issue as a public relations problem to be swept aside and hushed.

As one who is seriously sruggling with remaining Catholic I ask if the so called leaders of this Church don't recognize pure evil when it's staring them in the face...then what good are they? Why do I need them and why should I place myself in communion with them?

2 posted on 07/11/2014 8:44:17 AM PDT by pgkdan (ISLAM IS THE RELIGION OF THE ANTICHRIST!)
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To: pgkdan

Your tagline answers your question.


3 posted on 07/11/2014 8:52:41 AM PDT by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: pbear8

Actually it adds to my struggle. The pope insists on washing muslim feet on Holy Thursday...2 years in a row, he refers to muslims as his ‘brothers and sisters’ and hosts islamic prayers at the Vatican. I believe islam is evil and the product of Satan. the pope seems to think it’s just honky dory.


4 posted on 07/11/2014 8:56:40 AM PDT by pgkdan (ISLAM IS THE RELIGION OF THE ANTICHRIST!)
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To: pgkdan
Islam is evil, no question about that. You are only required to believe what is in the Creed and the de fide statements of the Church, many of the other documents are well worth reading and considering, some of what is said is simply personal opinion.

Always remember that this is the Church and the faith that was left to the Apostles and thence to us. As with any human institution, the humans can be annoying, they can also be saintly. Be the saintly one and you will please God and attract converts. The battle has already been won, we are just here choosing sides.

5 posted on 07/11/2014 9:11:34 AM PDT by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: Dr. Thorne

With this whole new wave of yutes coming in, look for the next wave of accusations in a few years.


6 posted on 07/11/2014 9:54:03 AM PDT by SgtHooper (This is not my tag!)
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To: pgkdan
The bishops have NEVER recognized the homosexual abuse of youg boys for the intrinsic evil that it is. They all saw the issue as a public relations problem to be swept aside and hushed.
As one who is seriously sruggling with remaining Catholic I ask if the so called leaders of this Church don't recognize pure evil when it's staring them in the face...then what good are they? Why do I need them and why should I place myself in communion with them?

We are all sinners. Why would Catholics be better or worse?

The Church fathers know all too well about the evils in front of them, in back of them and all around them. Human nature hasn't changed and never will. They can only deal with individuals.

If it's terrible, damaging news about Catholics of any ilk, or about Evangelicals...we will hear it blasted across the universe.

If it's something good, then we probably won't hear a peep. Our media haven't changed on the way they treat Catholics and Evangelicals.

Also our media, written and electronic lets us know what news they WANT us to know. The mainstream media has always loathed Catholics and Evangelicals. Always.

Honest question: do you really think that changing faiths will suddenly allow you to see a better side of humanity?

7 posted on 07/11/2014 12:17:44 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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Actually it adds to my struggle. The pope insists on washing muslim feet on Holy Thursday...2 years in a row, he refers to muslims as his ‘brothers and sisters’ and hosts islamic prayers at the Vatican. I believe islam is evil and the product of Satan. the pope seems to think it’s just honky dory.

Sounds to me as if you are already out the door of the Church and on your way to the local Protestant church.

Well, as a Protestant you won't have to deal with confession, penance, the Holy Eucharist, obligatory Sunday Mass and once-a-year confession and Holy Eucharist.
You can get divorced and remarried ALL YOU WANT. No more rosaries, First Fridays, Benedictions, Sacraments, nuthin' REQUIRED for being a Protestant.
No more Lent, meatless Fridays during Lent. No more popes, cardinals, bishops, priests, nuns and brothers. No more Vatican setters, papal messages, Showing results for encynicals.

I could go on and on about the obligations of being a Catholic but then you already know about them. But because of some sinful clergy you are out the door and giving up the Faith of your Fathers.

Well, you've got all your excuses reasons for dumping the Catholic Church. You can now go right to the Protestant church and be required to do nothing, ever, for any reason.
And when you commit a sin, no matter HOW egregious, all you gotta do is say: "I'm sorry, Lord." And bim sala bim you know that they are forgiven.

Good luck in your new EASY path to the Lord. I'm sure you will enjoy it, especially telling all your future Protestant fellow worshipers ALL ABOUT the horrors of the 2000 year old Roman Catholic Church.
Christmas will still be Christmas. Easter will always be Easter...and you can enjoy them without any nasty ole Roman Catholic "rules and regulations."

You can even start trashing "papists."

Do you think that any of your new Protestant friends will wonder when THEIR particular branch of Protestantism will start to fall under your disfavor?
Not a problem. There are 30,000 different Protestant denominations for you to try. THAT should take care of you for your remaining life time.

If you think an entire faith, Islam, of hundreds of millions of humans is the devil's work, then I don't doubt that you will find BUNCHES of stuff to dislike about ANY faith, Judaism, Christianity AND Islam.

From Wikipedia: As of 2010, over 1.6 billion or about 23.4% of the world population are Muslims.
Of these, around 62% live in Asia-Pacific, 20% in the Middle East-North Africa, 15% in Sub-Saharan Africa, around 3% in Europe, and 0.3% in the Americas.

So, those 1.6 billion folks are all going to hell???
I'll let GOD judge them. But you go ahead and judge them too. You seem to like that,

HEY! There is always Hinduism. There are some 300 million different "faces" of God. You could spend LOTS of time THERE losing faith in them.

Then, you can sample the eastern faiths, Buddhism, Jainism, Shinto, etc. Wow, what a journey you have in front of you.

Huzzah for you.

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Am I being harsh??

8 posted on 07/11/2014 12:52:08 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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Am I being harsh??

Sweet fancy MOSES!

9 posted on 07/11/2014 1:01:59 PM PDT by Legatus (Either way, we're screwed.)
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Sweet fancy MOSES!

Lol. That's a new one for me.
I LIKE your phraseology!

10 posted on 07/11/2014 1:04:49 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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>>Why do I need them and why should I place myself in communion with them?<<

You don’t and you shouldn't. Salvation is assured through belief in the atoning sacrifice of Christ alone. It is not contingent upon rituals, attendance, or affiliation. Sincerely pray that the Holy Spirit show you all the other errors of the Catholic faith and ask Him to guide you to the truth of a personal relationship with Christ.

11 posted on 07/11/2014 1:16:25 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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>>The pope insists on washing muslim feet on Holy Thursday...2 years in a row, he refers to muslims as his ‘brothers and sisters’ and hosts islamic prayers at the Vatican.<<

Is it any wonder? The Catholic Church says you all serve the same god.

CCC841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day.

Would you say you serve the same god as the Muslims? It looks like that is the official position of the Catholic Church.

12 posted on 07/11/2014 1:20:08 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: cloudmountain

Be as harsh as you like I seek neither, nor care about, your approbation or disaprobation.


13 posted on 07/11/2014 1:43:15 PM PDT by pgkdan (ISLAM IS THE RELIGION OF THE ANTICHRIST!)
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Be as harsh as you like I seek neither, nor care about, your approbation or disaprobation.

I get it. You're scandalized. We've all been scandalized to a certain degree. What's so special about you? What gives you the right to go all Cindy Sheehan about the Faith? Either you believe or you do not.

I've bounced from parish to parish in my diocese. Going so far as to go to Mass in other dioceses trying to escape the abuses of the novus ordo liturgy. Wasn't conducive to my spirituality. But I never once doubted the validity of the Mass or the confection of the Eucharist.

Don't wuss out.

14 posted on 07/11/2014 2:01:56 PM PDT by JPX2011
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To: cloudmountain

Anyone who dies without faith in Christ does not go to Heaven. They go to Hell. No second chances. The Word is clear on this.


15 posted on 07/11/2014 5:49:47 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: cloudmountain
And when you commit a sin, no matter HOW egregious, all you gotta do is say: "I'm sorry, Lord." And bim sala bim you know that they are forgiven.

Well that's what God says...So the choice is believing God or believing your religion...And that's easy for Christians...

1Jn_1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Good luck in your new EASY path to the Lord.

Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Not a problem. There are 30,000 different Protestant denominations for you to try. THAT should take care of you for your remaining life time.

Name them or admit you are not telling the truth...

If you think an entire faith, Islam, of hundreds of millions of humans is the devil's work, then I don't doubt that you will find BUNCHES of stuff to dislike about ANY faith, Judaism, Christianity AND Islam.

Another Catholic defending Izlam...

So, those 1.6 billion folks are all going to hell???

A lot more than that...There'll be plenty of Catholics and Protestants as well...

Mat_7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Or you don't think God is telling the truth there either???

16 posted on 07/11/2014 6:53:36 PM PDT by Iscool
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Name them or admit you are not telling the truth...

======================================== http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations

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The pages are too big and numerous to post. I tried to get them all on but the post was too big. So here is the web site that lists the 30,000 Christian denominations. Protestants say there are 40,000 denominations but I went for the "smaller" number.

17 posted on 07/11/2014 9:30:15 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Iscool

No need for you to be so nasty. You are merely showing off YOUR own brand of morality.


18 posted on 07/11/2014 9:32:05 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: pgkdan

Lol. You do provide a little amusement. Very little.


19 posted on 07/11/2014 9:34:02 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

I read somewhere just yesterday that the number is now over 33,000. But I wouldn’t be surprised at the 40,000.


20 posted on 07/11/2014 9:36:11 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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