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Protestants Hold Anti-Catholic Rally Ahead of Pope Visit
WSJ ^ | 8/13/2014 | JEYUP S. KWAAK

Posted on 08/13/2014 5:22:31 PM PDT by markomalley

Not everyone will welcome the Pope to South Korea.

A group of Protestants held a demonstration on Tuesday, slamming the Roman Catholic Church as heretical.

Organizers say about 10,000 people attended the event at a convention center west of Seoul, where a number of Protestant pastors stressed the difference between the Roman Catholic Church and Protestant churches, according to local Protestant media.

Rev. Song Chun-gil, the secretary general of the group, called Catholicism a perversion of faith, according to the reports. He has opposed recent moves among mainstream Protestant church leaders to form a relationship with the Roman Catholics, according to local media. (The Christian Daily has photos from the event.)

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To: boatbums
"What you call "stink bombs" are very rarely of the caliber posted about Protestants and the supposed superiority of Roman Catholicism by RCs."

Your opinion.

"I think your scoldings would be better served being sent to those in "your" camp who treat Free Republic as their very own propaganda arm and LOOK for chances to provoke arguments."

On the contrary, some Protestants seem offended that Catholics are even permitted to post articles, "propaganda" as you pleased to put it, on FR. And Catholics are not the only ones who like to argue.

41 posted on 08/14/2014 5:57:44 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
"It's what the founding fathers spoke of, when they spoke of the papists, and the papist's opposition to liberty."

Including the several Founding Fathers who were, you know, Catholic? And George Washington, the very cream of the crop of the Fathers, who decried the burning of effigies of the pope, who penned this letter to the Catholics of America? Obviously, the colonies were infected with rank, foul anti-Catholicism, and many of the colonists, some Fathers included, wanted to keep it that way. Thankfully Catholics achieved the liberty of worship they earned and merited (particularly through service in the Continental Navy), despite the bigotry of some segments of the population. And I do hope you appreciate the irony of citing certain founders in declaring Catholics enemies of liberty, when many of these self-same men wanted to curtail the liberty of Catholics, in the name of...What, liberty?

42 posted on 08/14/2014 6:28:45 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Agreed.


43 posted on 08/14/2014 6:34:49 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: NKP_Vet

To be honest, I’m not 100% sure what Protestant means. I’m 100% born again Christian. I believe the word of God.


44 posted on 08/14/2014 6:50:13 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf

Islam came as a protest against the Catholic Church and its doctrine, since in Muhammad’s time, all Christians were Catholics. The Protestant Reformation came about for the reasons.


45 posted on 08/14/2014 9:42:31 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

Oh,not sure where you get your information, but it’s not very factual.

I’d explain, but I don’t think Catholics care or will change any minds based on anything I say. So I’m just letting you know I don’t agree.


46 posted on 08/15/2014 3:32:12 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: NKP_Vet
Yes and no. Actually, the Arabs of Mohammed's time were mostly paganists who worshiped the moon god and practiced human sacrifice as a localized death cult. He brought them from the BC 7th century to the AD 7th century and took the death cult show on the road.
47 posted on 08/15/2014 7:00:24 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: NKP_Vet

that’s obnoxiously wrong.


48 posted on 08/15/2014 7:03:09 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
Peter did indeed go to Rome.

No where in the bible is Peter ever said to be in Rome. Paul lists who all he was in contact with in Rome, you think he would have mentioned Peter! Explain to me how Milik could have been mistaken about Peter's ossuary being in Jerusalem.

Where, out of curiosity, did you read this narrative of Simon Magus impersonating Peter?

Do a search on Justin Martyr.

49 posted on 08/15/2014 5:11:34 PM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
Including the several Founding Fathers who were, you know, Catholic? And George Washington, the very cream of the crop of the Fathers, who decried the burning of effigies of the pope, who penned this letter to the Catholics of America?

Lay Catholics are among God's people, and God says "Come out of her" to his people.

Obviously, the colonies were infected with rank, foul anti-Catholicism, and many of the colonists, some Fathers included, wanted to keep it that way. Thankfully Catholics achieved the liberty of worship they earned and merited (particularly through service in the Continental Navy), despite the bigotry of some segments of the population. And I do hope you appreciate the irony of citing certain founders in declaring Catholics enemies of liberty, when many of these self-same men wanted to curtail the liberty of Catholics, in the name of...What, liberty?

To be a Catholic you must put your trust in a man other than Jesus to represent God. That is the same thing liberals do, they put their trust in governments, celebrities, etc, to be as God rather than God Himself. Also to be a Catholic, you must be against individualism. Catholics reject the protestant belief of each individual having a relationship to God. Catholics say each person needs to be subject to the Catholic Church or to the pope or to Mary to let those entities be the mediator to God. Catholics reject individual opinion. I know as a protestant that there is no one on earth that believes the same as I on every subject of Christianity. There are some Christians that I share beliefs with that I will agree with 99% of the time. Imagine if that same were true of politics, that everyone must be in full agreement all the time or there will be punishment. That's why some of us see Catholicism as opposed to liberty, we should have the liberty to disagree, whether it be the nature of Christianity, or the nature of politics. There will be enough of us to agree on enough aspects of government and Christianity to have good government and a good relationship with God to be blessed, respectively. But apply the ways of Catholicism to our government and freedom is lost.

50 posted on 08/15/2014 5:30:18 PM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
Sounds like you don't really understand the Church, but have bought into lies some people like to spread about the Church.

"To be a Catholic you must put your trust in a man other than Jesus to represent God. That is the same thing liberals do, they put their trust in governments, celebrities, etc, to be as God rather than God Himself."

By no means. Assuming that you refer to the Catholic priest acting In Persona Christi as commanded by God in 2 Corinthians, its a rather insane jump to go from their to saying that Catholics are equivalent to big-gov liberals.

"Also to be a Catholic, you must be against individualism. Catholics reject the protestant belief of each individual having a relationship to God."

Absolutely false. The Catholic Church does not reject each person having a relationship with God, which is NOT a Protestant belief anyway. Individualism, in a general sense, is the opposite of socialism, and the Church considers socialism is a heresy. It was definitively established by Pope Leo XIII in Rerum Novarum that the right to private property must be inviolable. The Catholic Church opposes moral individualism, in which every person is free to make up their own truth.

"Catholics say each person needs to be subject to the Catholic Church or to the pope or to Mary to let those entities be the mediator to God."

Christ established the Catholic Church, the rock He built on Peter. So yes, you do need to be subject to it. I am extremely grateful to be subject to Christ who, per Catholic dogma, the sole mediator between God and man.

"Catholics reject individual opinion. I know as a protestant that there is no one on earth that believes the same as I on every subject of Christianity. There are some Christians that I share beliefs with that I will agree with 99% of the time."

So, you're a relativist? Again, there cannot be two truths. There is only one absolute, objective truth -- and while it may be temporarily comforting to have a buffet of supposed"truths" to choose from, that one objective truth does not change.

"Imagine if that same were true of politics, that everyone must be in full agreement all the time or there will be punishment."

Religion is not politics. There are many issues, such as capital punishment, form of government, etc, that Catholics can in good conscience hold different opinions on.

"That's why some of us see Catholicism as opposed to liberty, we should have the liberty to disagree, whether it be the nature of Christianity, or the nature of politics."

I see Protestants as opposed to liberty then -- we should have the liberty to disagree on whether saints can intercede with Christ on our behalf, for example. But Protestants just won't play ball.

"But apply the ways of Catholicism to our government and freedom is lost."

No offense meant, but this sentence clearly reveals your ignorance of Church teachings. Look up subsidiarity.

51 posted on 08/16/2014 7:01:56 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
Christ established the Catholic Church, the rock He built on Peter.

Christ's rock was the church and the church was sent out through the 12 apostles, not just Peter. And Peter never went to Rome. Christ said the gates of hell shall not prevail over His church. It's pretty clear that the forces of evil got the best of the church of Rome, with all it's heresies, it's gall of bitterness, it's bond of iniquity. It's a church of pedophilia, the evil acts of the Jesuits, the alliance with freemasonry since Vatican 2, it's embrace of socialism since Pope Pius 12, the abduction, gang rape, and murder in the Vatican itself of the teenage girl Emanuela, we could go on and on.

So yes, you do need to be subject to it. I am extremely grateful to be subject to Christ who, per Catholic dogma, the sole mediator between God and man.

Then why call the pope "Father", which is forbidden in the bible? Why call him the vicar of Christ?

So, you're a relativist? Again, there cannot be two truths.

There is only one truth, and Christ was the only man who held to that truth. The rest of us are not perfect in wisdom as Christ was. It is the goal of the rest of us to get as close to that truth as we can, and then we will be judged on our attempts to do just that. All it takes is effort, God judges on effort, since none of us will achieve perfect truth and wisdom in the flesh. When you allow the Catholic Church to decide what truth and wisdom is for you, you are putting almost no effort in the pursuit of it. You're letting imperfect men take the place of the Word.

There is only one absolute, objective truth -- and while it may be temporarily comforting to have a buffet of supposed"truths" to choose from, that one objective truth does not change.

And the Catholic Church is much farther than most protestants from that perfect truth.

Religion is not politics. There are many issues, such as capital punishment, form of government, etc, that Catholics can in good conscience hold different opinions on.

You think the pope is going to appreciate differeing from him on capital punishment?

I see Protestants as opposed to liberty then -- we should have the liberty to disagree on whether saints can intercede with Christ on our behalf, for example. But Protestants just won't play ball.

Protestants don't punish people on having disagreements. It's why there are so many different protestant churches. It's what narses always posts that yopios (or whatever) picture making fun of the fact that protestants hold different opinions. I see difference of opinion as a strength. It's what America was built on, each individual voting his/her opinion and coming together on the big stuff. Catholics have a history of punishing people for having difference of opinion as in the inquisition, the genocides (that some freepers celebrate), etc.

Regarding the rest of your post, the fruits of Catholicism don't match what you say. Catholics support Obama, your popes celebrate Islam, Francis embraces socialism, puts down Reagan and conservatives, embraces moral relativism, says we should not spread the Word of God, again, I could go on and on. I judge by fruits, as the bible says, and as Peter himself told Simon Magus in Samaria, you are the gall of bitterness and the bond of iniquity. That was a prophecy, and indeed when Simon Magus' followers took over the church of Rome that Paul started, that's exactly what the Catholic Church became.

52 posted on 08/17/2014 6:39:19 AM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
"Christ's rock was the church and the church was sent out through the 12 apostles, not just Peter. And Peter never went to Rome. Christ said the gates of hell shall not prevail over His church. It's pretty clear that the forces of evil got the best of the church of Rome, with all it's heresies, it's gall of bitterness, it's bond of iniquity. It's a church of pedophilia, the evil acts of the Jesuits, the alliance with freemasonry since Vatican 2, it's embrace of socialism since Pope Pius 12, the abduction, gang rape, and murder in the Vatican itself of the teenage girl Emanuela, we could go on and on."

1) Peter did indeed go to Rome. He referred to "The Church here in Babylon," one of the names which Christians referred to Rome by. 2) What heresies, what gall of bitterness? 3) Going by insurence statistics, Protestant Churches today harbor more pedophilia than the Catholic Church did at the height of the crisis. I don't feel like digging up the links, but they are in my comments if you care to. 4) What specific evil acts of the Jesuits?

"Then why call the pope "Father", which is forbidden in the bible? Why call him the vicar of Christ?"

WHy call anyone, including your own father, father? The bible does not forbid the use of the word 'father,' it forbids viewing anybody but God as your father, king, and foundation.

"There is only one truth, and Christ was the only man who held to that truth. The rest of us are not perfect in wisdom as Christ was."

Which is why God gave us His One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church, through which He gives us His truth and grace.

"And the Catholic Church is much farther than most protestants from that perfect truth."

No its not.

"You think the pope is going to appreciate differeing from him on capital punishment?"

Doesn't matter what he appreciates. Church teachings do not regard the personal opinion of a given pope.

"Protestants don't punish people on having disagreements. It's why there are so many different protestant churches. It's what narses always posts that yopios (or whatever) picture making fun of the fact that protestants hold different opinions. I see difference of opinion as a strength. It's what America was built on, each individual voting his/her opinion and coming together on the big stuff. Catholics have a history of punishing people for having difference of opinion as in the inquisition, the genocides (that some freepers celebrate), etc."

Unity through strength. Only since all this diversity crap has been celebrated has America gone down the tubes. And please, give me a break. Protestants have the same history of killing, torturing, etc, as Catholics. I truly laugh when Protestants whine about the inquisition, because such a complaint is insupportable. Protestants through the ages are equally guilty.

"Regarding the rest of your post, the fruits of Catholicism don't match what you say. Catholics support Obama, your popes celebrate Islam, Francis embraces socialism, puts down Reagan and conservatives, embraces moral relativism, says we should not spread the Word of God, again, I could go on and on. I judge by fruits, as the bible says, and as Peter himself told Simon Magus in Samaria, you are the gall of bitterness and the bond of iniquity. That was a prophecy, and indeed when Simon Magus' followers took over the church of Rome that Paul started, that's exactly what the Catholic Church became."

Precision is not your strong point, is it? Roughly half of American Catholics support Obama, just as (gasp) roughly half of American Protestants. The personal sins of a pope, Francis saying nice stuff about Islam, crapping on capitalism, etc, do not effect the dogma of the Church. Contrary to popular Protestant belief, Catholics don't consider the pope perfect.

53 posted on 08/17/2014 10:33:09 AM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
1) Peter did indeed go to Rome. He referred to "The Church here in Babylon," one of the names which Christians referred to Rome by.

No, he was in actual Babylon. There were the Judaeans who were taken captive by the Babylonians still there. Plus there were two Jewish universities that needed to hear the Word. The apostles were sent to the 12 tribes, Babylon would have been a natural choice for Peter. Paul was sent to the gentiles making Rome a natural choice for him.

2) What heresies,...

What heresies? lol How about calling men "father", how about praying to the queen of heaven, how about selling indulgences, statue worship, satanic symbolism all over the robes of the priests, the miter dagon fishhead the pope wears, to name a few.

... what gall of bitterness?

2000 years of murders! Burning people at the stake! Ring a bell? lol

3) Going by insurence statistics, Protestant Churches today harbor more pedophilia than the Catholic Church did at the height of the crisis.

Not my church. My church consists of me and my friends, and our record is zero incidents. Stay away from big churches!

I don't feel like digging up the links, but they are in my comments if you care to.

A big church is a big church, and the bigger the worse in a lot of cases. Big churches attract the worst kinds of people, they love that power.

4) What specific evil acts of the Jesuits?

They are the CIA of the Catholic church, carrying out false flag operations, assassinations, even killing popes that they didn't like. Jesuits are really big into homosexuality today. When Revelation speaks of the whore of Babylon being burned with fire by the ten kings, I strongly suspect that it will be the Jesuits that burn Rome. Look what your first Jesuit pope is doing, destroying the Catholic Church as we know it. The bible says it will be a time to rejoice, because of the 2000 years of murders and heresies that the church has done, even though it is another evil entity that does the burning. And even look at Free Republic, how Catholics are so bitter, telling Protestants they are all going to hell. Protestants never say all Catholics are going to hell, it's the Catholics that have the gall of bitterness, and this has led to 2000 years of atrocities.

WHy call anyone, including your own father, father? The bible does not forbid the use of the word 'father,' it forbids viewing anybody but God as your father, king, and foundation.

I call my father "father" because of the physical component of procreation. Catholics do not call the pope father because of anything physical. They see him as Jesus or God.

Which is why God gave us His One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church, through which He gives us His truth and grace.

What a horrible job that church has done throughout the ages if that were the case! I would hope that the Catholic Church is not the example set by God. I know it's not.

Doesn't matter what he appreciates. Church teachings do not regard the personal opinion of a given pope.

Wh...wh...what?! lol

Unity through strength. Only since all this diversity crap has been celebrated has America gone down the tubes. And please, give me a break. Protestants have the same history of killing, torturing, etc, as Catholics. I truly laugh when Protestants whine about the inquisition, because such a complaint is insupportable. Protestants through the ages are equally guilty.

Oh please. lol My church of me and my friends is guilty of no murders or torture, I know that.

Precision is not your strong point, is it? Roughly half of American Catholics support Obama, just as (gasp) roughly half of American Protestants. The personal sins of a pope, Francis saying nice stuff about Islam, crapping on capitalism, etc, do not effect the dogma of the Church. Contrary to popular Protestant belief, Catholics don't consider the pope perfect.

I'll remember that as I see the ring kissing and the thronging crowds at St Peter's (wrongly named) basilica. lol

54 posted on 11/16/2014 4:27:21 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
What heresies? lol How about calling men "father",

What do you call your father?

Have you ever called anyone "teacher"?

Jesus statement is simply hyperbole.

"But you are not to be called ‘rabbi,’ [teacher] for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called ‘masters,’ for you have one master, the Christ" (Matt. 23:8–10)
Yet Paul tells us, ""God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers" (1 Cor. 12:28). And "his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers" (Eph. 4:11) Paul refers to himself as a spiritual father. "I appeal to you for my child, Onesimus, whose father I have become in my imprisonment" (Philem. 10).

Not my church. My church consists of me and my friends,

The history of the private interpretation of Scripture is the disintegration of Christendom, in contradiction to Christ's desire, and the proliferation of errors, up to an including the Trinity. (Oneness Pentecostalism). All of these diverse groups claim "the Bible alone" as the sole or ultimate rule of faith.

Ironically, this doctrine is not found in the Bible.

55 posted on 11/16/2014 5:13:45 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
What do you call your father?

"Dad", but even if I called him "father" it would obviously be in the physical sense. This is not so with Catholics.

Have you ever called anyone "teacher"? Jesus statement is simply hyperbole. "But you are not to be called ‘rabbi,’ [teacher] for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called ‘masters,’ for you have one master, the Christ" (Matt. 23:8–10) Yet Paul tells us, ""God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers" (1 Cor. 12:28). And "his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers" (Eph. 4:11) Paul refers to himself as a spiritual father. "I appeal to you for my child, Onesimus, whose father I have become in my imprisonment" (Philem. 10).

Onesimus was a slave, Paul was claiming kinsman redeemer on him to free him.

The history of the private interpretation of Scripture is the disintegration of Christendom, in contradiction to Christ's desire, and the proliferation of errors, up to an including the Trinity. (Oneness Pentecostalism). All of these diverse groups claim "the Bible alone" as the sole or ultimate rule of faith. Ironically, this doctrine is not found in the Bible.

It looks to me like it's the big churches that hurt Christianity more than anything. When I encounter an atheist, they say they're an atheist be cause of the big churches and the crimes and frauds they commit, and the Catholic Church commits more crimes and frauds than any other.

Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

And another heresy of the Catholic church is they venerate Peter and ignore the rest (even though they have the wrong Peter). They call themselves the church of Peter (Cephas):

1Co 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

1Co 1:14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

1Co 1:15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.

1Co 1:16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

1Co 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

56 posted on 11/16/2014 9:16:19 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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