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Martin Luther's Devotion to Mary
http://www.catholicculture.org ^ | April 24, 2003 | Dave Armstrong

Posted on 08/24/2014 4:45:06 PM PDT by NKP_Vet

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To: Bill93

Uh...

...the emphasis is placed on the REDEMTRIX part: not the CO part...


81 posted on 08/25/2014 11:19:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: piusv
As a Traditional Catholic I would never use a heretic as support for Catholic truths.

Get thee behind me; Satan!


82 posted on 08/25/2014 11:20:03 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

If you read the Early Church Fathers you will find the answer to your question.

And in the Bible her last words direct everything to her Son, “Do whatever he tells you.”


83 posted on 08/25/2014 11:20:10 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Rashputin
Anyone who says Mary is a powerless is denying what Scripture says regarding the King, the Queen, and His Kingdom as established by God in the Old Testament. Catholic teaching has said about her.
84 posted on 08/25/2014 11:21:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Rashputin
Let's try some easy math:


There are approximately 1.2 billion Catholics world wide;

If merely 1% of them  'ask' Mary for help just once each day;

that means that 12 million separate prayers are headed Mary's direction every day.

Given that there are 86,400 seconds per day... (24 hours times 60 minutes times 60 seconds)

...that means that Mary has to handle approximately 139 'requests' per second!

Purty good fer someone NOT 'devine'!

85 posted on 08/25/2014 11:21:51 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

::yawn::


86 posted on 08/25/2014 11:22:32 AM PDT by piusv
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To: Elsie; NKP_Vet

Ha, which one are you Elsie?


87 posted on 08/25/2014 11:24:05 AM PDT by infool7 (The ugly truth is just a big lie.)
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To: SkyDancer

Instead of ‘getting at’ something; you’ll need to be a bit more informative if you want me to take it in the manner you meant, but failed to type.


88 posted on 08/25/2014 11:26:28 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SkyDancer
I would like to hear the Jewish perspective. Send it private mail? Please?
89 posted on 08/25/2014 11:28:30 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: Salvation
And in the Bible her last words direct everything to her Son, “Do whatever he tells you.”

Ok?

Are we still importing tea from China?

90 posted on 08/25/2014 11:31:15 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: infool7

I’m the tool; posting Scripture that illustrates Catholic error.

You my also compare me to the talking ass in Kings...


91 posted on 08/25/2014 11:32:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: defconw

No!

It was mentioned in the open forum; so why should it be private?


92 posted on 08/25/2014 11:33:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Probably does not want to get attacked for his/her POV. I would be interested in hearing the Jewish perspective. I might learn something.


93 posted on 08/25/2014 11:35:52 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: metmom

Luther was an alcoholic, Jew-hating, Catholic-hating, heretic, who only through the grace of God didn’t lose his head at the gallows.


94 posted on 08/25/2014 11:49:38 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: metmom

You lapsed Catholics are the absolute worst Catholic-bashers. Guilt is a hard thing to overcome.


95 posted on 08/25/2014 11:50:48 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: Elsie

I’ve gotten corralled into giving responses that generated more heat than light and I no longer want to do that anymore. Suffice it to say that there is the Jewish perspective and having the Internet it is very easy for anyone to search on: “The Jewish Perspective Of Mary” and search it out for themselves. I am no way a theologian.


96 posted on 08/25/2014 12:02:10 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Was Told Nobody Is Perfect But Yet, Here I Am)
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To: Rashputin
That you or anyone else believes those books are the "inspired Word of God" demonstrates a total DISRESPECT for the actual Word of God! There is no comparison between those extra seven books and the rest of the 66 books (hardly a "large portion") that EVERYONE acknowledges ARE the Word of God - God is NOT so sloppy that He would let errors and mistakes slip in. Even the early church recognized that these books were NOT from God. That they could be edifying, encouraging and semi-historical, yes, but NOBODY believed they were God-breathed sacred Scripture - NOBODY. They were NOT to be used for establishing doctrine. From http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2011/10/did-jerome-change-his-mind-on-apocrypha.html:

    In his commentary on Wisdom of Solomon and Ecclesiasticus, Jerome states:

    "As, then, the Church reads Judith, Tobit, and the books of Maccabees, but does not admit them among the canonical Scriptures, so let it also read these two Volumes (Wisdom of Solomon and Ecclesiasticus) for the edification of the people, not to give authority to doctrines of the Church."

    According to Jerome, these books are ecclesiastical, capable of spiritual teaching, but cannot be used for supporting church doctrine. This begs the question: Since when is known Scripture not to be used for supporting doctrine? Even Scripture itself attests:

    All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works (2 Timothy 3:16-17).

    Furthermore, Jerome, emphatically states in his preface to the books of Samuel and Kings:

    "This preface to the Scriptures may serve as a "helmeted" introduction to all the books which we turn from Hebrew into Latin, so that we may be assured that what is not found in our list must be placed amongst the Apocryphal writings. Wisdom, therefore, which generally bears the name of Solomon, and the book of Jesus, the Son of Sirach, and Judith, and Tobias, and the Shepherd are not in the canon."

It wasn't until the Reformation and the Council of Trent that the Roman Catholic church - in an attempt to assert its dominance and authority - formally recognized them as part of the canon. But, even then, there was dissent among the very clergy that participated in the council. All this has been posted plenty of times before. It's surprising that you would assert something as if you were completely ignorant of those facts.

That you would compare a rejection of these books as God-breathed Scripture to an assertion that the Holy Spirit "cannot possibly be a part of the Trinity" only further demonstrates how ridiculous such arguments are.

97 posted on 08/25/2014 12:55:32 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Salvation
Neither do Catholics.

Obviously you do not speak for any Catholic other than yourself...Your statement has been proven false more times than we can count...

98 posted on 08/25/2014 1:00:26 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: ebb tide
Martin Luther was a heretic and a tool of Satan.

Of course...All the heretics were...They went against God when he told you guys to charge people for indulgences...They went against God when he told you not to allow normal folks from reading the scriptures...

99 posted on 08/25/2014 1:05:11 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: narses
It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.

Absolutely...Jesus pondered on it as well, for about 3 seconds...

Mat 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
Mat 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

And unlike your fake religion Jesus equates his mother to anyone who does the will of the Father in heaven...Looks like you guys created a little false idol for yourselves...

You ought to be ashamed...

100 posted on 08/25/2014 1:13:32 PM PDT by Iscool
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