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Victoria Osteen and Her Joy-Robbing Brand of Cheap Christianity
Christian Post ^ | September 2, 2014 | Matt Moore

Posted on 09/02/2014 5:55:17 PM PDT by Gamecock

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To: Gamecock

The constant smile is downright creepy. Smiling is way overrated, and is never mentioned in scripture as a sign of true happiness or holiness. Rather, laughter is often indicated as a sign of godless derision.


41 posted on 09/02/2014 6:57:08 PM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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To: PapaNew

Lol. Greased back hair, slick suits and money focused. Anyone that thanks that is Christianity needs a reality check.


42 posted on 09/02/2014 6:58:43 PM PDT by Deathtomarxists (It walks up stairs all over in pairs it makes a whispering sound, its obama's stinky slinky)
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To: MeshugeMikey

everytime i read or her th biblically light messages from the osteens, these prosperity gospel/word faith folks, all i see is them shouting “money cometh!” like elmer gantry...


43 posted on 09/02/2014 6:59:49 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Gamecock

Also, the “prosperity gospel” may not play so well in the most impoverished places in Africa. “God wants you to have a Cadillac.” The true gospel can reach people and offer hope anywhere they are in their lives.


44 posted on 09/02/2014 7:00:48 PM PDT by boycott
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To: Arlis

The word “blessed” contains the meaning of “happy.” Scripture talks much about being “happy” (Acts 26:2; Rom 14:22; James 5:11; 1 Peter 4:14). If you really study God’s will for his people, you’ll see that man’s happiness is very important to Him.

It is astonishing that you think so little of God that you think he is not interested in your happiness. Yet He sent his Son to give you ALL that He has. We were made in His image - hello? We have feelings of happiness because God made us that way - in His image (1 John 4:17).


45 posted on 09/02/2014 7:02:38 PM PDT by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate over unjust law & government in the forum of ideas)
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To: Gamecock

I used to think and still do to a certain extent that megachurchs (sp?) and TV evangelists etc were just in it for the bucks.

Today, I may still feel that way to some extent but I also believe if they bring people to Jesus and Christianity then I guess we will find out on the final day how He feels about it.

Right now, with all that is going on with ISIS and Boko Haram and others, I just think all Christians (Catholics, Lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians, fundamentalists, Baptists and everything in between), Jews (all sects), Hindi (yep, even the cow worshipers, never heard of them beheading anyone) etc all need to stick together and stand up for each other. We can disagree over doctrine and interpretation and this little bit and that little bit and I know sometimes those little bits seem to be giant mountains, but one thing we need to agree on is that ISLAM is the devil.


46 posted on 09/02/2014 7:03:45 PM PDT by SolidRedState (I used to think bizarro world was a fiction.)
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To: Gamecock

“A great example of this is this emergence of the idea that someone can be a “gay Christian”; a person who claims to worship Jesus Christ but refuses to actually worship Him by surrendering all that they are — like their fallen sexual impulses”

I know a person that has many of the gay mannerisms and is a committed Christian. The person is also single. And has also stated that “we all have to deny ourselves things if it gets in the way of worshiping God.” The person has never come out and said they were gay, but....


47 posted on 09/02/2014 7:04:26 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: boycott

Great point! It’s easy to follow a heresy like this in a land of plenty.

There are countries where Christians are living in abject poverty. There are Christians losing their heads.

The Osteen brand of Christianity-lite wouldn’t sustain those dear brothers and sisters for 2 seconds.


48 posted on 09/02/2014 7:06:52 PM PDT by Gamecock (Not responsible for errors resulting from posting via my "smart" phone.)
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To: PapaNew; Gamecock

Osteen denies Christ on national TV.

Last night, (6-20-05) Joel and Victoria Osteen were interviewed on CNN by Larry King. Osteen showed clearly why he has the largest church in America. He told everyone, including King, what they wanted to hear. He refused to say that Jesus was the only way to heaven.

KING: Because we’ve had ministers on who said, your record don’t count. You either believe in Christ or you don’t. If you believe in Christ, you are, you are going to heaven. And if you don’t no matter what you’ve done in your life, you ain’t.

OSTEEN: Yeah, I don’t know. There’s probably a balance between. I believe you have to know Christ. But I think that if you know Christ, if you’re a believer in God, you’re going to have some good works. I think it’s a cop-out to say I’m a Christian but I don’t ever do anything ...

KING: What if you’re Jewish or Muslim, you don’t accept Christ at all?

OSTEEN: You know, I’m very careful about saying who would and wouldn’t go to heaven. I don’t know ...

KING: If you believe you have to believe in Christ? They’re wrong, aren’t they?

OSTEEN: Well, I don’t know if I believe they’re wrong. I believe here’s what the Bible teaches and from the Christian faith this is what I believe. But I just think that only God with (sic) judge a person’s heart. I spent a lot of time in India with my father. I don’t know all about their religion. But I know they love God. And I don’t know. I’ve seen their sincerity. So I don’t know. I know for me, and what the Bible teaches, I want to have a relationship with Jesus…

CALLER: Hello, Larry. You’re the best, and thank you, Joe — Joel — for your positive messages and your book. I’m wondering, though, why you side-stepped Larry’s earlier question about how we get to heaven? The bible clearly tells us that Jesus is the way, the truth and the light and the only way to the father is through him. That’s not really a message of condemnation but of truth.

OSTEEN: Yes, I would agree with her. I believe that...

KING: So then a Jew is not going to heaven?

OSTEEN: No. Here’s my thing, Larry, is I can’t judge somebody’s heart. You know? Only god can look at somebody’s heart, and so — I don’t know. To me, it’s not my business to say, you know, this one is or this one isn’t. I just say, here’s what the bible teaches and I’m going to put my faith in Christ. And I just I think it’s wrong when you go around saying, you’re saying you’re not going, you’re not going, you’re not going, because it’s not exactly my way. I’m just...

KING: But you believe your way.

OSTEEN: I believe my way. I believe my way with all my heart.

KING: But for someone who doesn’t share it is wrong, isn’t he?

OSTEEN: Well, yes. Well, I don’t know if I look at it like that. I would present my way, but I’m just going to let God be the judge of that. I don’t know. I don’t know.

KING: So you make no judgment on anyone?

OSTEEN: No. But I.........

KING: What about atheists?

OSTEEN: You know what, I’m going to let someone — I’m going to let god be the judge of who goes to heaven and hell. I just — again, I present the truth, and I say it every week. You know, I believe it’s a relationship with Jesus. But you know what? I’m not going to go around telling everybody else if they don’t want to believe that that’s going to be their choice. God’s got to look at your own heart. God’s got to look at your heart, and only god knows that.


49 posted on 09/02/2014 7:10:19 PM PDT by Chong
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To: Gamecock
Did Jesus die for our sins or for you to get a better park place?

Both (Romans 8:32).

We are called to repent. What are we to repent of? Poor self-esteem?

What do you think? What does the New Testament call us to repent of? Try Hebrews 6:1.

50 posted on 09/02/2014 7:11:43 PM PDT by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate over unjust law & government in the forum of ideas)
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To: Chong

Great, Chong.

And exactly where does he DENY JESUS?


51 posted on 09/02/2014 7:13:49 PM PDT by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate over unjust law & government in the forum of ideas)
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To: Chong

Wasn’t he promoting this “Chrislam”?

Enough for me to write him off.


52 posted on 09/02/2014 7:14:17 PM PDT by Califreak (Hope and Che'nge is killing U.S.)
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To: boycott
the “prosperity gospel”

Beloved, I wish above all things that you may prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospers (3 John 1:2).

Oh, you thought it said, beloved, God doesn't want to prosper you but to be sick and in poverty.

What is the ONE reason the Bible gives for why the religious people killed Jesus and persecute his servants?

ENVY (Matt 27:18; Mark 15:10; Acts 7:9; Acts 13:45; Acts 17:5).

Same as it always was.

53 posted on 09/02/2014 7:16:47 PM PDT by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate over unjust law & government in the forum of ideas)
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To: PapaNew

Read.


55 posted on 09/02/2014 7:22:34 PM PDT by Chong
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To: SolidRedState
Hindi (yep, even the cow worshipers, never heard of them beheading anyone)

Maybe not, but they do plenty of killing.

56 posted on 09/02/2014 7:22:58 PM PDT by xone
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To: hulagirl

Honest to God I cannot see the reason for such vitriol flung at her. And I’m not an Osteen fan! I just wish Christians could just get a life and QUIT attacking each other!


I guess I see it the same way but then I think of all of the money these type of preachers make from selling the Gospel or rather their made up version of the Gospel in books that it makes me want to start telling the truth about them.

The money exchangers are all over the place, that is what they were called in the days of Jesus, I think whores and pimps is a much more suitable word for people who gets rich from the gospel.

Would a real believer sell the Gospel or would they give it away just like Jesus and his apostles did?

what does any one need the books for unless they want a Gospel that can not be found in the Bible?

I can see a non believer who wants to believe something buying one of these books but I can not see a real believer selling one.


58 posted on 09/02/2014 7:30:50 PM PDT by ravenwolf (s)
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To: PapaNew

Sell it to the Saints losing their heads in Iraq.


59 posted on 09/02/2014 7:31:29 PM PDT by Gamecock (Not responsible for errors resulting from posting via my "smart" phone.)
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To: PapaNew; Chong

Everytime he says “I don’t know.”


60 posted on 09/02/2014 7:32:54 PM PDT by Gamecock (Not responsible for errors resulting from posting via my "smart" phone.)
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