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Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level
International Business Times ^ | 09/17/2014 | Tanya Diente

Posted on 09/17/2014 9:07:14 AM PDT by thetallguy24

Pope Francis, with his open-mindedness and more humanist approach to Catholicism reportedly promoted that the Virgin Mary should be at the second Holy Trinity, even putting her at Godhead level.

Pope Francis recently attended the morning mass for the Feast of Our Lady of Sorrows on Sept. 15 at Casa Santa Marta. He preached on how the Virgin Mary "learned, obeyed and suffered at the foot of the cross," according to the Vatican Radio.

"Even the Mother, 'the New Eve', as Paul himself calls her, in order to participate in her Son's journey, learned, suffered and obeyed. And thus she becomes Mother," Pope Francis said.

The Pope further added that Mary is the "anointed Mother." Pope Francis said the Virgin Mary is one with the church. Without her Jesus Christ would not have been born and introduced into Christian lives. Without the Virgin Mary there would be no Mother Church.

"Without the Church, we cannot go forward," the Pope added during his sermon.

Now The End Begins claims Pope Francis' reflection on the Virgin Mary suggests people's hope is not Jesus Christ but the Mother Church.

The site claims his sermon somehow indicates a change in the position Jesus holds in the Holy Trinity.  Jesus has reportedly been demoted to the third trinity. While the Virgin Mary and the Holy Mother Church, the Roman Catholic Church, takes over his place at the second trinity. 

Additionally, basing on Pope Francis words he may have supposedly even put the status of the Blessed Virgin Mary at the "Godhead level."

Revelation 17:4-6 according to the site, gives meaning to the Pope's reflection. The chapter tells the story of the apostle John and his "great admiration" for the Virgin Mary. Now The End Begins claims the verses also speaks about the Holy Mother Church and how God thinks of the "holy Roman Mother Church".

However, the Bible seems to contradict Pope Francis promotion of the Virgin Mary to second trinity. The site quoted some passages wherein the "blessed hope" of the Christians is "the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ." There was reportedly never any mention of the Virgin Mary as being any kind of hope to anyone or anything.

But during the Feast of Our Lady of Sorrows, Pope Francis ended his reflection with the assurance of hope from the Virgin Mary and the Mother Church.

"Today we can go forward with a hope: the hope that our Mother Mary, steadfast at the Cross, and our Holy Mother, the hierarchical Church, give us," he said.

However, the Bible's passages shouldn't be taken literally, especially when it comes to reflections of the Virgin Mary and Jesus Christ.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: evangelical; jesus; orthodox; protestant
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To: Elsie; RegulatorCountry

“Mary was clearly a special person, perhaps to the point of being singular among created human beings.

“Then so am I!”

“Taint NO one like ME!!!”

tell it to RegulatorCountry since he posted that comment you’re responding to by declaring your uniqueness. You don’t even appear to know who you’re commenting to.


381 posted on 09/19/2014 3:49:23 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: RegulatorCountry; vladimir998
(Jerome, Letter 47:7)

It's actually letter 57...


http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3001057.htm

One would think a well catechized Catholic would have knowledge of what such a renowned Father of the Church has written...

382 posted on 09/19/2014 3:52:27 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: vladimir998
I know exactly why that verse is cited as a possible explanation.

And yet you've not revealed this knowledge to the rest of us schlubs?

383 posted on 09/19/2014 3:54:49 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: vladimir998
I’m just asking you to back up your own assertion.

A mighty fine adage to live by!

384 posted on 09/19/2014 3:55:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: vladimir998
Also, I have remained entirely consistent in post after post while you essentially contradict yourself.


385 posted on 09/19/2014 3:56:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: vladimir998

If you keep insisting despite it all, you may end up tiring the rest of us out and get the last word in, lol.


386 posted on 09/19/2014 3:57:52 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: mlizzy
Authors on many Internet sites just roll their articles up on their own, without any proofreading, editing, etc.

Likewise...

Many posters on FreeRepublic just roll their replies up on their own, without any proofreading, editing, etc.

387 posted on 09/19/2014 3:58:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: vladimir998
I asked for a verse from the Old Testament.

YOUR Catholic scholars 'complied' the Bible.

Perhaps you should 'ask' them.

388 posted on 09/19/2014 4:01:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; RegulatorCountry

RegulatorCountry,

Here Elsie calls you a “well catechized Catholic”!

Hilarious! She can’t seem to tell when you’re posting and what you’re posting and when you’re not.


389 posted on 09/19/2014 4:03:51 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: RegulatorCountry
...vlad’s a prickly one when cornered, lol.

And a slightly shorter word can be used when not...

390 posted on 09/19/2014 4:03:57 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

“And yet you’ve not revealed this knowledge to the rest of us schlubs?”

It was already done. Are you paying attention? Really?


391 posted on 09/19/2014 4:04:35 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
Everything I have said is true.


392 posted on 09/19/2014 4:05:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: RegulatorCountry; Elsie

“If you keep insisting despite it all, you may end up tiring the rest of us out and get the last word in, lol.”

No, that will probably be Elsie - but the problem will be that it will be your word that she reposts and accuses me of having posted.


393 posted on 09/19/2014 4:05:56 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: RegulatorCountry

Or apparently it will be a picture of Baghdad Bob.


394 posted on 09/19/2014 4:06:26 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
And go ahead and do so if you wish for no verse listed in the CE will say “Nazarene” as Matthew says it. It’s just that simple.

Thanks for proving PROOF that your chosen denomination is NOT infallible.

395 posted on 09/19/2014 4:06:28 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

“Perhaps you should ‘ask’ them.”

Ask the Protestant scholars why all of their versions also c=don’t have “Nazarene” in the prophets.


396 posted on 09/19/2014 4:07:17 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Elsie

“Thanks for proving PROOF that your chosen denomination is NOT infallible.”

So you were basing a belief in Catholic infallibility on an encyclopedia’s agreeing with you? Then I guess all Protestant bibles are suddenly worthless because they all say the exact same thing.


397 posted on 09/19/2014 4:08:54 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: thetallguy24
Without her Jesus Christ would not have been born and introduced into Christian lives.

Oh, noes! He said THAT?

398 posted on 09/19/2014 4:09:08 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: vladimir998
Thanks for trying and for proving me right yet again.


399 posted on 09/19/2014 4:10:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212
•as Christ was sinless, so Mary was;

•as Christ was blank, so Mary was;


I'm amazed that Mary did not die and resurrect as well!

400 posted on 09/19/2014 4:13:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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