Posted on 10/14/2014 1:26:28 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
I've been trying to say that. And yet... something is going on. Pope Francis has been eerily silent regarding the statements of Cardinal Kasper.
It sure seems that way when a 10-day meeting is summarized in one line in the NY Times.
Really man, please enlighten me as a Protestant (born again) Christian:
We know that God doesn’t Change, and we know that His Word never changes.
In fact scripture enlightened by the Holy Spirit is really our only source of knowledge of Him, IMO as the The Word claims.
What would happen if the Catholic Church suddenly began to openly accept homosexuality, other sins?? Would you leave that Church, just asking..
IMO that’s one reason why we should never rely upon any human organization (even a Church) to tell us what we should believe, rather we should dig into the scriptures and let God first save us (as we cannot save ourselves Eph 2:8-9, and others..), then allow His Spirit to show us what is right.
-JS
The Vatican acts like the Democratic party. Put out a liberal feeler, and then if the reaction isn’t good, backtrack. The long term direction is clear.
That's certainly not on the table, despite the NY Times' innuendo.
The synod is pastoral in nature. Pastoral teaching is always provisional since it depends on ever-changing circumstances.
The College of Cardinals should backtrack on their selection of this Marxist as Pope.
“What would happen if the Catholic Church suddenly began to openly accept homosexuality, other sins”
It can’t. The Magisterium (Teaching Authority) of the Catholic Church safeguards the truth and has been for over thousands of years. Protestant faiths can. I give you the Anglican Church and other protestant faiths. Very liberal and allow women and open homosexuals to be pastors.
Nonsense. The Catholic CHurch will never accept open homosexuality, women clergy or allow abortion. The democratic party and many protestant faiths do.
Um like I said a Church ~shouldn’t~ dictate what we believe it should be God and His Word, anyone be it protestant or catholic that doesn’t truly belong to Jesus will not inherit His kingdom.
Who am I to judge” gay people?”
Taken out of context.
He means homosexuals who are living a chaste lifestyle.
There are many women I want, but even though I have not been with any woman except my wife for 24 years this day I still do not consider my self to be qualified to be a member of any Church....
I am not talking about personally judging any one, only God can do that, what I am talking about is the preservation of Christ`s Church.
I would like to see the Synod issue a statement saying exactly what I would say if they’d asked me to draft it ;-).
They do this all the time... the Vatican releases a document or statement, or the Pope says something, and the press jump on it as its some radical change in church doctrine or something... and its almost always nonsense.
I admit I did not read the entire document in question, but the excerpts I did see, didn’t come across to me as some radical change of Church doctrine.
No one, not the most conservative catholic on the planet that knows the church cannon would stand up and say there are no place for sinners in the church... that’s idiotic, we are all sinners.
The church sadly has to deal with homosexuality within its ranks, because sadly it decided to make a deal with the devil in the 60s and let admitted but “non practicing” homosexuals into the priesthood. This was a horrific mistake and now there are indeed a good number of practicing homosexuals within the ranks of the preisthoods of the Church and they need to be purged from these positions because their actions are slowly rotting the church from within. However, that does not mean, that the church has a fatwa against homosexuals within its lay membership.
It cannot and will not ever condone their behavior, as its quite clear that homsexuality is not something condoned by God. Sadly though it is a reality, and not a new one, that the church has had to deal with...do you think secular acceptance and even promotion of homosexuality is not something the church has not seen or dealt with before in its 2000 year history?
The problem is reporters are largely utterly ignorant of theology, so they hear something and they think its some radical departure from tradition of the church, and usually its just their ignorance showing through.
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